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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 2, 2021 14:35:20 GMT
Well it appears he's our player for the forseeable future now so I guess we've got two choices.
Either moan like fuck on here which will make bugger all difference to either him or the team or get behind him when he pulls the shirt on and hope it encourages him to make the contribution we know he's capable of on his day.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 2, 2021 16:17:16 GMT
Performance he’s capable of? Listen I’ll cheer Tom Ince when he actually deserves cheering- I don’t boo him at games, but he more than most, needs to do something to show he’s worth a bit of support. He doesn’t look bothered and I can’t remember his last good game for Stoke.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 3, 2021 6:54:05 GMT
This thread has been running since Nov. 2020, get off of his back. He's been doing well recently. For all the money he’s earned he should be playing like ronaldo in back payments Who will be the next victim?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 3, 2021 7:02:32 GMT
For all the money he’s earned he should be playing like ronaldo in back payments Who will be the next victim? Depends on which player turns out not to be Ronaldo.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 3, 2021 8:57:10 GMT
For all the money he’s earned he should be playing like ronaldo in back payments Who will be the next victim? He’s been playing well recently? Where?
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Post by s7oke on Sept 3, 2021 9:25:50 GMT
For all the money he’s earned he should be playing like ronaldo in back payments Who will be the next victim? Depends who’s crap I suppose
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 3, 2021 12:09:29 GMT
Looking at that first season as a whole, which players were better than Ince? You said yourself he had some very good games. Almost every player performed worse than expected and others it seemed weren't really given a chance (Bojan, Diouf, arguably Campbell). He was good for the first 3rd of the season and has been poor to average ever since.The Basket Case of a squad that you refer to ( of which he was “championship royalty”) cost around £70m to assemble. If he is such a good player, why has he been sold / moved on by 9 clubs. With Ince it’s a case of The Emporor’s New Clothes- once you really look there is very little there anymore. His club career isn't too dissimilar to a lot of players and he hasn't actually played permanently for that many clubs. Liverpool: 0 league games. Blackpool: 100+ games and an overall success. A few Premier League clubs interested when he left (Stoke included). Hull: didn't seem good enough for the step up to the Premier League but had a very successful loan at Derby. Also loaned to Forest, but Hull recalled him early. Derby: record signing at the time. 100+ games, two strong Championship seasons, top scorer in one of them. Earned him another crack at the Premier League. Huddersfield: involved in most Premier League games and had a decent season by many accounts in a team that did well to avoid relegation. Stoke: as discussed. Like many of the management team and squad, expected to be back in the Premier League a season later (which is probably part of the reason it went so wrong).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 12:16:30 GMT
He’s just a meh player.
His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good.
If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 3, 2021 12:21:15 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. We have infinitely better players than we did in previous seasons; we're a lot pacier. That always played to Tom's strengths, as we know he's not the type to track back. Were MON to pay 4-3-3 again, I'd be interest to see how he did out on the right again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 12:22:55 GMT
Ince last looked like a 'player' for us on the 2nd March 2019, a 2-0 Home win vs Nottingham Forest. It was a 15-minute spell late in the game, where he looked pretty good.
That sums up where we're at with him.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 5, 2021 9:55:12 GMT
Who will be the next victim? He’s been playing well recently? Where? Haven't you seen him play this season?
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 5, 2021 11:03:33 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Peter Whittingham. Hard to believe he's now dead. Such a shame, good player at this level.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2021 12:54:07 GMT
3 days to find a Turkish club.....
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Post by a on Sept 5, 2021 13:09:03 GMT
3 days to find a Turkish club..... Where we’ll end up paying the bulk of his wages probably. It irks me that we lose a player who doesn’t want to play here and still pay for the privilege. I know it’s about balancing the books but it’s still a kick in the dick
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Post by thehoof on Sept 5, 2021 13:18:43 GMT
He’s been playing well recently? Where? Haven't you seen him play this season? So his level is division 1 - that’s what you are saying?. At last you’re on the money with Incey wincey.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2021 14:34:42 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 14:46:20 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. For sure. His record in The Championship is better than many as you say. How that makes him a League One player am not sure. Not like was 1 or 2 seasons.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 5, 2021 14:56:33 GMT
Performance he’s capable of? Listen I’ll cheer Tom Ince when he actually deserves cheering- I don’t boo him at games, but he more than most, needs to do something to show he’s worth a bit of support. He doesn’t look bothered and I can’t remember his last good game for Stoke. He played well against Doncaster in the league cup win.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 5, 2021 15:31:16 GMT
Performance he’s capable of? Listen I’ll cheer Tom Ince when he actually deserves cheering- I don’t boo him at games, but he more than most, needs to do something to show he’s worth a bit of support. He doesn’t look bothered and I can’t remember his last good game for Stoke. He played well against Doncaster in the league cup win. It’s his last 3 seasons - all at Stoke, decent in about 12 or 14 games out of 3 seasons. Might as well have kept Bojan if we were after that sort of productivity. He’s been nothing but a waste of money- if you think that’s unfair, go give him a cuddle.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 5, 2021 15:36:41 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. Why are you bringing up what he was like several seasons ago for Bayern? He hasn’t performed at that level for any of his time at Stoke after his first third of a season. Look at his last 2 and a half seasons- he hasn’t done it at all; his good games have been in the League Cup, which with regard to Surridge, you pointed out, don’t count- Ince has been okay in the two league cup games- which don’t count, and hasn’t been able to produce any form in the Championship. We have released players who had more impact on the pitch than Ince.
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Post by questionable on Sept 5, 2021 15:44:27 GMT
Absolutely nothing player, if his name wasn’t printed on his back you wouldn’t have a clue who he is.
Not wanting to be to derogatory towards him but with him a starting 11 it’s like playing with 10 players.
Yet another massive fee for a bog standard, sorry poor player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2021 16:00:27 GMT
Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. Why are you bringing up what he was like several seasons ago for Bayern? He hasn’t performed at that level for any of his time at Stoke after his first third of a season. Look at his last 2 and a half seasons- he hasn’t done it at all; his good games have been in the League Cup, which with regard to Surridge, you pointed out, don’t count- Ince has been okay in the two league cup games- which don’t count, and hasn’t been able to produce any form in the Championship. We have released players who had more impact on the pitch than Ince. The post I quoted basically said he was a one season wonder which just wasn’t the case hence why it’s relevant. He hasn’t and why is that? I don’t think it’s all because of him indeed I think a lot of it is down to the situation here. I haven’t mentioned him this season and won’t because his games have been pointless and there’s no room for him unless we change formation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 16:35:36 GMT
Absolutely nothing player, if his name wasn’t printed on his back you wouldn’t have a clue who he is. Not wanting to be to derogatory towards him but with him a starting 11 it’s like playing with 10 players. Yet another massive fee for a bog standard, sorry poor player. Would you recognise most Championship players without their names on their backs? not sure what a 'nothing player' is personally.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 6, 2021 10:05:09 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. I'd like to know if that one, pretty unsuccessful season at Hudds in the Prem where ironically his only league goal was against us had something to do with his demise. Was it a lack of confidence, was it a mental issue to do with his somewhat failure in the Prem. Up until that point with his record and performances in the champo, he probably fancied himself as a decent premier league player. Maybe that one poor season has had a longer lasting effect.
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Post by tachyon on Sept 6, 2021 10:23:59 GMT
Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. Short answer. They tried to turn this in that. Attachment Deleted Ince gets on the end of one decent chance every 4 complete games at Huddersfield compared to one decent chance every 12 complete games in his first season at Stoke. A horrible glut of long range, low value shots from wide right. Even worse the next season, one big chance every 15 complete games. You'd assume it was not entirely Ince's fault.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 6, 2021 10:30:40 GMT
See how he does until Jan.if he puts the effort in,then fine. But if he carries on like he has done since been here,then get rid in Jan.
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 6, 2021 10:48:37 GMT
He’s just a meh player. His career stats remind me of Peter Whittingham’s. One phenomenal season and then a few decent to good. If we had signed him for what he is really worth in today’s post-Covid market (free) and he was on 40% of what he is earning now, I think the fans would probably be happier with him. Blackpool all in the Champo - 31 goals in 100 games Derby - Champo - 37 goals in 105 games That spans 6 seasons too. It’d be interesting to see why the drop. Age? Because you don’t have that record over 6 season at this level if you’re a poor footballer. His previous record is irrelevant, we can only judge him on his performances for us , and let’s be honest they’ve been mostly shockingly bad
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Post by apb1 on Sept 6, 2021 10:59:34 GMT
I just can't see him getting a look in. He might make the RWB slot in the Watford game (although you'd think Duhaney needs game time if we think he's an understudy to Smith) but unless we have an injury horrorshow why would he make it in the league game 18 man squad? Up front we have Sima Surridge Fletcher Brown. Even in a 4-3-3 you'd have Sima and Brown ahead of him wide right, even before Campbell returns? In a 3-5-2 he's not getting in ahead of Smith wide right. As a left footer might he be LWB at a pinch? Can't see it.
Benchwise we need two proper defenders, you'd think one of Tymon and Doughty too. Then two from Powell/Thompson/Vrancic/Sawyers/Clucas/Allen are always ahead of him as sub midfielders. Then we have the two forwards from five. Who we going to leave out to allow Ince a spot.
I think he's an ok player and wouldn't mind seeing him play again, but think he's just one we couldn't get rid of, rather than any change of heart from MoN. Two players - at least - for every position now.
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Post by tachyon on Sept 6, 2021 11:28:02 GMT
I'd like to know if that one, pretty unsuccessful season at Hudds in the Prem where ironically his only league goal was against us had something to do with his demise. Was it a lack of confidence, was it a mental issue to do with his somewhat failure in the Prem. Up until that point with his record and performances in the champo, he probably fancied himself as a decent premier league player. Maybe that one poor season has had a longer lasting effect. He scored twice in the PL for Huddersfield. xG/90 of 0.23.(6.2 xG over the season). That was 30% of Huddersfield's non pen rate (which is a very good performance). Under performed his conversion rate, but that happens. He should have been buzzing.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 6, 2021 12:07:06 GMT
Well it appears he's our player for the forseeable future now so I guess we've got two choices. Either moan like fuck on here which will make bugger all difference to either him or the team or get behind him when he pulls the shirt on and hope it encourages him to make the contribution we know he's capable of on his day.His day this season will probably be Boxing Day!
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