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Post by ravey123 on Nov 22, 2020 10:12:11 GMT
One thing that was very noticeable for the first 55 to 60 mins or so yesterday was the defending from the front - I thought the pressing by Fletcher, Brown, Powell and even Campbell yesterday for the first 50 odd minutes was excellent and created numerous opportunities to score from interceptions or forced mistakes from the Huddersfield defence.
I'm not sure its possible to press like that for 90 minutes with the same 4 but with the allowance of 5 substitutes gives a better chance to change personnel around 65 mins to continue the press for the full 90 minutes.
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Post by Gods on Nov 22, 2020 10:15:23 GMT
Yes it was good to see.
I think it was made more effective by some crazy attempts to play from the back by Huddersfied which won't happen with all our opponents.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 22, 2020 10:19:30 GMT
I think MON deliberately targeted Huddersfield in that respect. Their defenders seemed to think they were all Van Dijk as they strode out playing little one twos. In reality they were more like Paul Dyson.
We exploited that massively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 10:20:40 GMT
I don’t even think it’s defending, it’s the way we attack.
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Post by zerps on Nov 22, 2020 10:23:47 GMT
Imagine the noise from the fans when we’re pressing.
Fuck off 2020.
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Post by a on Nov 22, 2020 10:26:47 GMT
One thing that was very noticeable for the first 55 to 60 mins or so yesterday was the defending from the front - I thought the pressing by Fletcher, Brown, Powell and even Campbell yesterday for the first 50 odd minutes was excellent and created numerous opportunities to score from interceptions or forced mistakes from the Huddersfield defence. I'm not sure its possible to press like that for 90 minutes with the same 4 but with the allowance of 5 substitutes gives a better chance to change personnel around 65 mins to continue the press for the full 90 minutes. I’ve said similar, Campbell was excellent at times tracking back with his man right to the edge of our 18, we simply must do this in order to get results. We don’t have the luxury of decent enough defence not to. I just hope O’Neil gets them fit enough to do it for 90 mins |
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Post by neddy on Nov 22, 2020 10:35:41 GMT
Imagine the noise from the fans when we’re pressing. Fuck off 2020. This it would have been unreal and when culminating in a goal well it would have fetched the roof off! |
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 22, 2020 10:40:39 GMT
We’re two good fullbacks away from battering this league.
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Post by march4 on Nov 22, 2020 11:00:13 GMT
Vokes and Gregory did their bit for last 10 minutes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 11:04:26 GMT
Vokes and Gregory did their bit for last 10 minutes. That sub was way too late. |
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 22, 2020 11:08:38 GMT
Vokes and Gregory did their bit for last 10 minutes. That sub was way too late. O'Neill got it spot on |
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 22, 2020 11:09:25 GMT
Heard on commentary that we have the most chances or goals from opponents mistakes or something like that.
Isn’t it a very MON style to press high and force opponents into mistakes. I’m sure I’ve heard that.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Nov 22, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
We’ve had the most shots/chances created by turnovers within 40 yards of the opponents goal this season, so it’s definitely working. Not many teams in this league are capable of playing through our press.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 11:11:05 GMT
That sub was way too late. O'Neill got it spot on I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. |
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Post by warringtonstokie on Nov 22, 2020 11:11:16 GMT
Heard on commentary that we have the most chances or goals from opponents mistakes or something like that. Isn’t it a very MON style to press high and force opponents into mistakes. I’m sure I’ve heard that. Just beat me to it mate |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 11:11:23 GMT
We’re two good fullbacks away from battering this league. If we have any chance to strengthen in January this is where we need to be looking. |
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Post by zerps on Nov 22, 2020 11:16:01 GMT
We’re two good fullbacks away from battering this league. Home and away support would be a big plus too |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2020 11:21:28 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. The final result suggests otherwise..... |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 22, 2020 11:27:26 GMT
That sub was way too late. O'Neill got it spot on Did you watch the game or listen on the radio? |
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Post by neckender78 on Nov 22, 2020 11:33:00 GMT
Heard on commentary that we have the most chances or goals from opponents mistakes or something like that. Isn’t it a very MON style to press high and force opponents into mistakes. I’m sure I’ve heard that. Yes I think it was a big strength of his Northern Ireland team, the players would run themselves into the ground for the team starting at the top of the field winning possession high up the pitch. He had quick wide forward players like Jordan Jones, Gavin Whyte, McGinn at Aberdeen, Connor Washington etc working hard at that. |
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Post by potterburt on Nov 22, 2020 11:34:27 GMT
I mentioned yesterday on the thread regarding a load of folks wanting cousins and Collins (a few mentioned Ince!?) to come on (in place of Smith and Brown mostly??wtf) and when that happened we immediately lost the press, jumped back onto our goal line and invited them on to us.
The press is great and you see the top teams doing it. It’s even better when done from teams less lethal like us because it opens up so many other doors to attack and keeping them away from our goal.
My concern is the plan b, when we have to make those subs, we don’t have players on the bench that can do the same press and not sure if we’ve found a way to control the game with the players we have on the bench.
Must say the match day thread is always a treat, countless times loads of people pipe up with stuff like ‘Clucas is w*nk’, ‘Campbell can’t be arsed, get him off” “I’d swap Ince with smith, smith is a waste” and it’s usually right before they do something big in the game. I’d guess none of the above types work within management, imagine just walking around pointing at everyone shouting ‘you’re shit’?
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Post by reddipotter on Nov 22, 2020 11:45:29 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. They were tiring, but with them on there was still the chance of another goal. Once Vokes and Gregory came on we were looking to hold the ball more up the field but they were unlikely to score. And as for inviting Huddersfield on, Belgium did it to England for the whole second half the other day. No football team finds it easy to break down a packed defence. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 22, 2020 11:46:49 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. Don’t know about you Bayern but when were kids in the 70s we would play nogger for 3+ hours , these modern day footballers don’t know they’re born 😎 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2020 12:04:50 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. They were tiring, but with them on there was still the chance of another goal. Once Vokes and Gregory came on we were looking to hold the ball more up the field but they were unlikely to score. And as for inviting Huddersfield on, Belgium did it to England for the whole second half the other day. No football team finds it easy to break down a packed defence. Gregory immediately got a chance when he came with his running. And we’re not Belgium. We were a side who looked like they couldn’t defend and had a young goalie in who needed protecting and not to be under the pressure we allowed. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 22, 2020 12:35:54 GMT
I mentioned yesterday on the thread regarding a load of folks wanting cousins and Collins (a few mentioned Ince!?) to come on (in place of Smith and Brown mostly??wtf) and when that happened we immediately lost the press, jumped back onto our goal line and invited them on to us. The press is great and you see the top teams doing it. It’s even better when done from teams less lethal like us because it opens up so many other doors to attack and keeping them away from our goal. My concern is the plan b, when we have to make those subs, we don’t have players on the bench that can do the same press and not sure if we’ve found a way to control the game with the players we have on the bench. Must say the match day thread is always a treat, countless times loads of people pipe up with stuff like ‘Clucas is w*nk’, ‘Campbell can’t be arsed, get him off” “I’d swap Ince with smith, smith is a waste” and it’s usually right before they do something big in the game. I’d guess none of the above types work within management, imagine just walking around pointing at everyone shouting ‘you’re shit’? I was browsing back through the match day thread last night. The state of some of those comments. Hilarious stuff. |
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Post by zerps on Nov 22, 2020 13:33:59 GMT
I mentioned yesterday on the thread regarding a load of folks wanting cousins and Collins (a few mentioned Ince!?) to come on (in place of Smith and Brown mostly??wtf) and when that happened we immediately lost the press, jumped back onto our goal line and invited them on to us. The press is great and you see the top teams doing it. It’s even better when done from teams less lethal like us because it opens up so many other doors to attack and keeping them away from our goal. My concern is the plan b, when we have to make those subs, we don’t have players on the bench that can do the same press and not sure if we’ve found a way to control the game with the players we have on the bench. Must say the match day thread is always a treat, countless times loads of people pipe up with stuff like ‘Clucas is w*nk’, ‘Campbell can’t be arsed, get him off” “I’d swap Ince with smith, smith is a waste” and it’s usually right before they do something big in the game. I’d guess none of the above types work within management, imagine just walking around pointing at everyone shouting ‘you’re shit’? I was browsing back through the match day thread last night. The state of some of those comments. Hilarious stuff. Tbf Clucas was way off the pace first half but redeemed it with a quality goal. You can’t judge the match day comments after the event, it’s heat of battle time stamped stuff. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 22, 2020 13:52:08 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. I agree with you. We were under the cosh when Fletcher went off and they were all over us like a rash. Relief came when Vokes and Gregory came on to press, much as I think both are useless these days when it comes to attacking. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 22, 2020 14:19:49 GMT
I think a big difference in recent weeks has been JOM playing further forwards and helping with the press. With Thompson behind him protecting the defence it worked. Yesterday he helped the press but Clucas is not a player who protects the defence so we were very exposed. Perhaps Allen will help with his energy but I think Thompson will eventually claim the position to allow Mikel press further forward
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Post by hardcastle on Nov 22, 2020 14:39:10 GMT
I disagree. Campbell and Powell were knackered after 70 minutes and needed subbing so we could carry on with the pressing. He left it way too late and the Cousins sub in particular invited pressure on us. Don’t know about you Bayern but when were kids in the 70s we would play nogger for 3+ hours , these modern day footballers don’t know they’re born 😎 Three hours? Nine til twelve, one til five, six til nine. Ten surely? Didn't the sun always shine when we were nine and ten !!!!! |
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Post by lancer on Nov 22, 2020 16:49:28 GMT
A lot continue to have a go at Maclean. In my opinion, he is the exact type of player we need when playing a pressing game. Whenever he gets the ball, he attacks. Often his attacks come to nothing, but often very fruitful too. He is relentless in his attacking attitude.
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