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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 21, 2020 19:31:56 GMT
Today we won with 31% possession, how many more have we won with such a low possession? I seem to remember there was a stat on here recently where we have won a large percentage(pardon the pun) of our games without keeping possession! If only we could keep the ball... What a team we would be!
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Post by albundy on Nov 21, 2020 19:33:10 GMT
Last thing I want is a return to the passing the ball along the back line again and again
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Post by Uncle cheese on Nov 21, 2020 19:35:55 GMT
Last thing I want is a return to the passing the ball along the back line again and again Over the last 2 games we’ve scored 2 goals where the opposition have pissed about passing it along their own back line I don’t understand why teams persist with this when they clearly aren’t good enough to do it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 20:32:42 GMT
Derby had over 60 per cent possession today , scored none , lost and stayed bottom.
You might as well talk about who has the best club mascot ,as who had the most possession
Definitely when mark Hughes was in charge , the more possession we had , the worst we played
You don't want to be giving the ball away unnecessary,but you do need to be taking risks in the final third , hitting the opposition quickly and decisively .
Sometimes , this can mean sacrificing possession for winning the match
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 21, 2020 20:40:28 GMT
Derby had over 60 per cent possession today , scored none , lost and stayed bottom. You might as well talk about who has the best club mascot ,as who had the most possession Definitely when mark Hughes was in charge , the more possession we had , the worst we played You don't want to be giving the ball away unnecessary,but you do need to be taking risks in the final third , hitting the opposition quickly and decisively . Sometimes , this can mean sacrificing possession for winning the match Spuds won with 34% so we are not the only ones, I still think we could and should retain the ball more though!
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2020 20:42:23 GMT
Understand all of the above, none the less I think we can use the ball better throughout the side. Leicester win with low possession but they are excellent on the ball.
It's about the only gripe I have at the moment.
Next season I think we will have spent some dosh on that bit of extra quality.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Nov 21, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
Being as jose mourinho is back in fashion I shall steal one of his musings
The team that has the ball is the team most likely to make a mistake. For illustration of this look no further than reading last week
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 21, 2020 20:43:19 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Nov 21, 2020 20:44:23 GMT
Being as jose mourinho is back in fashion I shall steal one of his musings The team that has the ball is the team most likely to make a mistake. For illustration of this look no further than reading last week Or Huddersfield today
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 21, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
Last thing I want is a return to the passing the ball along the back line again and again Yeah can't argue with that, how many teams mess around in their own half and end up giving goals away, I know we've forced a few teams into making mistakes that have led to goals this season, although we could improve on keeping the ball at times, it's been a great start though in terms of results and the position we're currently in.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 21, 2020 20:52:56 GMT
At the end of the match all that matters is who put the ball in the opposition net the most times. Pissing about with the ball across the edge of your penalty box counts for fuck all. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 20:55:02 GMT
I think the order of events here is ...
Jürgen klopp took over Liverpool and started playing ' the high press ' with a lot of success
So others copied
So possession football started to go out of fashion
If the best teams play ' a high press ' then knocking the ball around In your own half , becomes at best a bad idea and at worst suicidal.
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Nov 21, 2020 21:06:25 GMT
Today we won with 31% possession, how many more have we won with such a low possession? I seem to remember there was a stat on here recently where we have won a large percentage(pardon the pun) of our games without keeping possession! If only we could keep the ball... What a team we would be! We had less possession (30%) against Reading than we had today, still scoring 3 goals. It's not the amount you have, it's what you do with it.
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Post by boltonstokie on Nov 21, 2020 21:08:52 GMT
It was every week under Puseless!
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Post by markby on Nov 23, 2020 23:47:42 GMT
Trust me, Michael is a pragmatist, not a purist.
When he took over NI, his best players were nearly all defenders and big ones at that: McAuley, Evans, Cathcart, Hughes, Baird and Brunt etc. So his teams were very much "back foot" i.e. defend deep and hope to hit the opposition on the break, or from a set piece.
But eventually a lot of those players retired (esp after Euro2016), while the best new players coming through were mostly ball-playing midfielders and wingers etc. (He also lost Ollie Norwood, who played DCM, collecting the ball from the CB's).
So that for his last couple of years in charge, he transformed the team into one which pressed the opposition high, even when playing top quality opposition like Germany and Netherlands.
And while on the subject, he was prepared to switch to three at the back from our traditional four, if he felt the opposition (esp), or the availability/non-availability of his own players, dictated.
And as I noted on another thread, his selections/formations for this season have often differed from (a successful) last season, since last season he needed a team to battle its way out of relegation, whereas this time he's building one to achieve promotion, whether this season or next.
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Post by ginkgo on Nov 24, 2020 8:49:45 GMT
Aston Villa had only 30% possession in their 7-2 win over Liverpool. Who cares?
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Post by markby on Nov 24, 2020 15:45:40 GMT
I was looking at the stats from Spurs' game with Man City the other day.
Possession: 34% (THFC) vs 66% (MCFC) Shots: 4 vs 22 On Target: 2 vs 5 Corners: 0 vs 10.
Oh wait, the BBC must have got it wrong, since they also have Spurs down as 2-0 winners....
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 24, 2020 15:47:29 GMT
Even under rowett we mostly dominated possession yet looked far more toothless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 20:04:47 GMT
We really need to learn how to keep the ball. It’s the biggest thing holding us back.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Nov 24, 2020 20:09:40 GMT
We really need to learn how to keep the ball. It’s the biggest thing holding us back. We don't need to be kick and run with the players available.
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 24, 2020 20:11:08 GMT
We really need to learn how to keep the ball. It’s the biggest thing holding us back. It really is, we have gotten away with it recently and some people think it's not an issue which would be true if we had the players like Spurs have, but we haven't and it needs addressing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 20:11:12 GMT
We really need to learn how to keep the ball. It’s the biggest thing holding us back. We don't need to be kick and run with the players available. We really don’t. We’ve got footballers throughout the spine if we want to (don’t play Batth which I’m cool with).
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 24, 2020 20:12:36 GMT
Oh look everyone Bayern’s proving a point!
And I've seen you liked your piss stained jock mates unnecessary rant at me, classy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 20:15:27 GMT
Oh look everyone Bayern’s proving a point! And I've seen you liked your piss stained jock mates unnecessary rant at me, classy. Its almost like we’re really shit at keeping the ball and it needs to stop.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 24, 2020 21:17:23 GMT
Possession isn't everything and it's better to have less possession and be incisive on the break than to have loads of possession passing it around the back and sideways in midfield without going anywhere.
But when you're posting the kind of possession stats that we've been posting recently with the opposition regularly having 65% and above possession you're simply conceding far too much advantage in the game and putting yourself under too much pressure. Over the course of a season if you're under that much pressure week in, week out you're going to burn out and start losing more than we win.
We've got to find a way of keeping the ball better and controlling the game more. We rarely feel in control of a game, we're relying on moments of quality up front (which we're capable of) to bail us out.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 24, 2020 21:24:59 GMT
Oh look everyone Bayern’s proving a point! And I've seen you liked your piss stained jock mates unnecessary rant at me, classy. Racist
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