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Post by theonlooker on Apr 21, 2021 11:27:03 GMT
The lasting legacy of our ten year stay in the Premier League is the bloody weather/conditions of our Stadium Could be worse I suppose: "We want our beachball deflected goal in Sunderland" "We want our fancy dressed chicken interruption at Blackburn"
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Post by andystokey on Apr 21, 2021 11:30:33 GMT
Not saying it is an excuse. It just makes it even funnier imo. And shows it's not some game. They thought what they were doing was the thing to do, which makes it worse! Totally agree. It has just demonstrated how out of touch the people who own these massive clubs are with the culture of this game. I hope that informs us all as we go on and will help to enact some change which is badly needed. Even after this act of gross incompetence, the sick thing is though they are still incredibly powerful (maybe a few percent less influential for the next couple of weeks or so) They are still in these seats of power. Who is in any position to change this? But however incompetent this was, I cant believe that this wasn't planned over a considerable amount of time either. They have drawn up huge documents outlining their plans apparently, which have been in the hands of legal teams for sometime. So it must have been premeditated. Its just that they dont understand what they are messing with, but all through this process that never occurred to them. We only need to look at recruitment closer to home to realise running a football club and running another business are two vastly different things. Just a bunch of rich middle aged white men most of them are not very bright when it comes to the product itself.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 21, 2021 11:34:53 GMT
I think old Oscar applies here doesn't he “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” Definitely and actually it's part of footballing culture now. Like Delap became part of it. It's hugely complimentary even if it is used at every turn and can seem a bit tiresome. I guess. I feel like I'm pretty done with the cliches and backhanded compliments now though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 11:39:06 GMT
"Clubs opting into the European Super League should be banned immediately from the Premier League, says former England captain Alan Shearer. The striker, who scored a Premier League record 260 goals for Blackburn and Newcastle, told BBC Breakfast the proposals "were not right", describing it as a "closed shop"
Can't copy and paste it on my phone
The video is on the BBC sport website ( 2 mins )
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Post by stroller on Apr 21, 2021 11:54:36 GMT
Well if you buy that folks I've got a twelve year old Ford Focus that you might be interested in.
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Post by werrington on Apr 21, 2021 11:57:08 GMT
"Clubs opting into the European Super League should be banned immediately from the Premier League, says former England captain Alan Shearer. The striker, who scored a Premier League record 260 goals for Blackburn and Newcastle, told BBC Breakfast the proposals "were not right", describing it as a "closed shop" Can't copy and paste it on my phone The video is on the BBC sport website ( 2 mins ) Fuck that we’ll never get promoted if those lot come down
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 21, 2021 12:07:37 GMT
The sign is good fun and the exposure is always welcomed but it does make you think.
I mean we've basically saved football. Yet the city will continue to be ridiculed and massively underfunded and massively overlooked.
Sad really.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 21, 2021 12:21:36 GMT
That’s why I couldn’t understand Man City getting involved, their owner can not be driven by money can he? He could put 10p on a barrel of oil and make more than he would have done from a super league. I think Perez must have worked his magic on them, Spurs and Arsenal. This was all about Real trying to get out of the financial shit they are in. Don’t be silly, money will always drive wealthy people. It’s why their wealthy
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Post by devondumpling on Apr 21, 2021 12:30:04 GMT
If anyone wants to see Johnson's motives in jumping on the ESL bandwagon, it was there for all to see in PMQ's right now. Transparent as fuck. or indeed Starmer. Note you can respond without foul language.
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Post by noustie on Apr 21, 2021 12:36:19 GMT
Anyone seen the proposed changes to the Champions League from 2024 - they look suspiciously European Super Leaguey. From memory 36 team group stage with 10 fixtures and would include automatic entry pretty much for any big team failing in the conventional route. Top 8 through, next 8 home advantage in a playoff vs the next 8 so ten league fixtures to work out who makes it through to the last 24! Presuming the league fixtures would be seeded pots 1-10 so big teams can play each other safe in the knowledge they'll still be able to horse the cannon fodder and at worst have a home playoff vs Braga - thrilling! More money for the big teams, gap gets bigger, but don’t worry the media are telling us it’s a victory for us fans. Lap it up, move on, wait for the next bandwagon. UEFA launched this yesterday: www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0268-12157d69ce2d-9f011c70f6fa-1000--new-champions-league-format-explained/How will the 2024/25 competition change? The pivotal change in the reforms announced by the UEFA Executive Committee after its meeting on 19 April 2021 is the departure from the current format’s opening 32-team group stage. The present Champions League season begins with participants divided into eight groups of four. From the 2024/25 season, there will be a single league made up of all 36 competing clubs. This will give four more sides the opportunity to compete against the best clubs in Europe. Under the new format, teams will play four matches more than is currently the case. They will no longer play three opponents twice – home and away – but will instead face fixtures against 10 different teams, half of them at home and half of them away. This gives the opportunity for clubs to test themselves against a wider range of opponents – and also raises the prospect of fans seeing the top teams go head to head more often earlier in the competition. The new format should mean that there is more to play for right up until the final night of league action How will the four additional spots be allocated? Qualification for the Champions League will continue to be open and depend on a club’s final position in the previous season’s domestic league competition. The additional four slots available in 2024/25 will be allocated according to three different criteria: • Slot one: awarded to a club from the country placed fifth in UEFA’s national association coefficient rankings. Each association's coefficient is based on the results of its clubs’ performances in five previous Champions League and Europa League seasons. • Slot two: awarded to the domestic league champion with the highest club coefficient among all other domestic champions that have not automatically qualified for the Champions League’s league stage. • Slots three and four: awarded to the two clubs with the highest club coefficients that have not qualified automatically for the Champions League’s league stage, but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase or the Europa League/the Europa Conference League (due to start in the 2021/22 season). How will the last 16 take shape? The results of each match will decide the overall ranking in the new league, with three points for a win and one for a draw still applying. While the top eight teams will advance automatically to the round of 16, those sides placed between ninth and 24th will enter a play-off round. Those who finished between ninth and 16th will be seeded in the play-off draw, meaning they will face a team placed 17th to 24th – with home advantage in the second-leg match. Teams who finish 25th or lower will be eliminated, with no access to the UEFA Europa League. The eight clubs who prevail in the play-offs will then progress to the round of 16 where they will each face one of the top-eight finishers. So looks like the 12 clubs got wedge from UEFA to stay then this absolute pile of bollocks as some sort of bastard ESL fudge.
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Post by crowey on Apr 21, 2021 12:37:33 GMT
Well if you buy that folks I've got a twelve year old Ford Focus that you might be interested in. ... patronising American arsehole
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2021 12:40:06 GMT
The Champions’ League should be only for Champions.
The also rans who have won nothing for years should be no where near it.
That should be the starting point for any rule changes.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 12:42:52 GMT
That’s why I couldn’t understand Man City getting involved, their owner can not be driven by money can he? He could put 10p on a barrel of oil and make more than he would have done from a super league. I think Perez must have worked his magic on them, Spurs and Arsenal. This was all about Real trying to get out of the financial shit they are in. Don’t be silly, money will always drive wealthy people. It’s why their wealthy They are driven by a culture which says it is never enough. Wealth exists to create more wealth and therefore more power. This power grab didn't work but they speculate to accumulate.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 12:44:30 GMT
More money for the big teams, gap gets bigger, but don’t worry the media are telling us it’s a victory for us fans. Lap it up, move on, wait for the next bandwagon. UEFA launched this yesterday: www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0268-12157d69ce2d-9f011c70f6fa-1000--new-champions-league-format-explained/How will the 2024/25 competition change? The pivotal change in the reforms announced by the UEFA Executive Committee after its meeting on 19 April 2021 is the departure from the current format’s opening 32-team group stage. The present Champions League season begins with participants divided into eight groups of four. From the 2024/25 season, there will be a single league made up of all 36 competing clubs. This will give four more sides the opportunity to compete against the best clubs in Europe. Under the new format, teams will play four matches more than is currently the case. They will no longer play three opponents twice – home and away – but will instead face fixtures against 10 different teams, half of them at home and half of them away. This gives the opportunity for clubs to test themselves against a wider range of opponents – and also raises the prospect of fans seeing the top teams go head to head more often earlier in the competition. The new format should mean that there is more to play for right up until the final night of league action How will the four additional spots be allocated? Qualification for the Champions League will continue to be open and depend on a club’s final position in the previous season’s domestic league competition. The additional four slots available in 2024/25 will be allocated according to three different criteria: • Slot one: awarded to a club from the country placed fifth in UEFA’s national association coefficient rankings. Each association's coefficient is based on the results of its clubs’ performances in five previous Champions League and Europa League seasons. • Slot two: awarded to the domestic league champion with the highest club coefficient among all other domestic champions that have not automatically qualified for the Champions League’s league stage. • Slots three and four: awarded to the two clubs with the highest club coefficients that have not qualified automatically for the Champions League’s league stage, but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase or the Europa League/the Europa Conference League (due to start in the 2021/22 season). How will the last 16 take shape? The results of each match will decide the overall ranking in the new league, with three points for a win and one for a draw still applying. While the top eight teams will advance automatically to the round of 16, those sides placed between ninth and 24th will enter a play-off round. Those who finished between ninth and 16th will be seeded in the play-off draw, meaning they will face a team placed 17th to 24th – with home advantage in the second-leg match. Teams who finish 25th or lower will be eliminated, with no access to the UEFA Europa League. The eight clubs who prevail in the play-offs will then progress to the round of 16 where they will each face one of the top-eight finishers. So looks like the 12 clubs got wedge from UEFA to stay then this absolute pile of bollocks as some sort of bastard ESL fudge. Yes, they are still the winners, just a little less than they gambled on with this project.
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2021 12:45:06 GMT
The Champions’ League should be only for Champions. The also rans who have won nothing for years should be no where near it. That should be the starting point for any rule changes. clear logic however the original format of the Champions League I'd say was actually very good the standard was very high that's 20 years ago though every time it's been tinkered with it's git worse
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Post by bingbang on Apr 21, 2021 12:45:47 GMT
That’s why I couldn’t understand Man City getting involved, their owner can not be driven by money can he? He could put 10p on a barrel of oil and make more than he would have done from a super league. I think Perez must have worked his magic on them, Spurs and Arsenal. This was all about Real trying to get out of the financial shit they are in. Don’t be silly, money will always drive wealthy people. It’s why their wealthy I know it will always drive people, but not with the sheik, when you hold the monopoly for most of the worlds oil, making money from football is pittance. As I said he could put 10p barrel on oil tomorrow and the world couldn’t do a thing. He would make more doing that than he will ever make from football. So in this case I don’t think it was a money thing.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 21, 2021 12:59:29 GMT
"Clubs opting into the European Super League should be banned immediately from the Premier League, says former England captain Alan Shearer. The striker, who scored a Premier League record 260 goals for Blackburn and Newcastle, told BBC Breakfast the proposals "were not right", describing it as a "closed shop" Can't copy and paste it on my phone The video is on the BBC sport website ( 2 mins ) Whilst I understand Shearer’s intent, it’s not the solution and I suspect it’s an illegal restriction of trade. It’s analogous to what Franklin experienced when he played in Columbia in 1950. Censured by the FA, fined 20,000 by Stoke, sold to Hull and never played for England again.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 21, 2021 13:10:50 GMT
I don't always agree with Steve Parish, but he's right here (though I can't see anything changing for the better - the likes of Steaua Bucharest, Celtic and Ajax will probably never win the top European competition again): "We have been living with this for as long as I’ve been involved in football, this constant threat that if we all don’t tow the line, if we don’t accept that their position in football needs to be gilded, needs to be special, then they would go off and do this. Let’s face it, this was an attempted coup to try to steal football. "They still want to exert pressure on [Uefa president] Aleksander Ceferin. What Uefa need to do is start looking after the game and stop pandering to these people to keep them inside the tent because they are always going to be in the tent now, whatever happens. "The Ajaxs and the Legia Warsaws should not be playing qualification tournaments in the summer, when they have won their league, in favour of an Arsenal or a Tottenham, who leapfrogged an Aston Villa or Leicester because it’s ‘better’ to get those teams in the Champions League for one year’s television revenue." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/56827237
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2021 13:14:32 GMT
The Champions’ League should be only for Champions. The also rans who have won nothing for years should be no where near it. That should be the starting point for any rule changes. clear logic however the original format of the Champions League I'd say was actually very good the standard was very high that's 20 years ago though every time it's been tinkered with it's git worse Perhaps add teams who have won it in past 10 years to increase the quality. Once your 10 years are up, you are out until you win your domestic league again.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 13:17:26 GMT
I don't always agree with Steve Parish, but he's right here (though I can't see anything changing for the better - the likes of Steaua Bucharest, Celtic and Ajax will probably never win the top European competition again): "We have been living with this for as long as I’ve been involved in football, this constant threat that if we all don’t tow the line, if we don’t accept that their position in football needs to be gilded, needs to be special, then they would go off and do this. Let’s face it, this was an attempted coup to try to steal football. "They still want to exert pressure on [Uefa president] Aleksander Ceferin. What Uefa need to do is start looking after the game and stop pandering to these people to keep them inside the tent because they are always going to be in the tent now, whatever happens. "The Ajaxs and the Legia Warsaws should not be playing qualification tournaments in the summer, when they have won their league, in favour of an Arsenal or a Tottenham, who leapfrogged an Aston Villa or Leicester because it’s ‘better’ to get those teams in the Champions League for one year’s television revenue." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/56827237Interesting that Pep G mentioned Ajax about 3 times in his conference on this. Ajax have won the competition 4 times, they win their League too and still have to go through qualifying rounds and line up way behind Tottenham, Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea.....staggering arrogance. UEFA will still be pandering to these clubs right now.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2021 13:17:57 GMT
The Champions’ League should be only for Champions. The also rans who have won nothing for years should be no where near it. That should be the starting point for any rule changes. clear logic however the original format of the Champions League I'd say was actually very good the standard was very high that's 20 years ago though every time it's been tinkered with it's git worse As soon as the big countries got 4 slots it was diluted. The champions of each country should get a slot. Non champions should be play offs for group stages. We all laugh when Celtic lose the CL qualifier but they have more right for automatic than 2nd from la Liga or the prem etc
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 13:22:52 GMT
clear logic however the original format of the Champions League I'd say was actually very good the standard was very high that's 20 years ago though every time it's been tinkered with it's git worse As soon as the big countries got 4 slots it was diluted. The champions of each country should get a slot. Non champions should be play offs for group stages. We all laugh when Celtic lose the CL qualifier but they have more right for automatic than 2nd from la Liga or the prem etc and it creates more imbalance because players are attracted to Champions League teams. Tottenham and Arsenal would struggle to attract top players if they were not guaranteed Champions League places unless they won the actual League. Those players might then go to Champions in other European countries and that would therefore create a more level playing field, and a more competitive tournament.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 21, 2021 13:26:05 GMT
As soon as the big countries got 4 slots it was diluted. The champions of each country should get a slot. Non champions should be play offs for group stages. We all laugh when Celtic lose the CL qualifier but they have more right for automatic than 2nd from la Liga or the prem etc and it creates more imbalance because players are attracted to Champions League teams. Tottenham and Arsenal would struggle to attract top players if they were not guaranteed Champions League places unless they won the actual League. Those players might then go to Champions in other European countries and that would therefore create a more level playing field, and a more competitive tournament. Shaqri goes to Liverpool to be a squad player to blolster their efforts in Europe where he really should be in the first team at eg Ajax etc I get it. It’s perpetual greed. From Wages to agents and money from the big teams and star players. Greed is not just the owners £250k per week contracts are never enough
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Post by Cns on Apr 21, 2021 13:26:56 GMT
As soon as the big countries got 4 slots it was diluted. The champions of each country should get a slot. Non champions should be play offs for group stages. We all laugh when Celtic lose the CL qualifier but they have more right for automatic than 2nd from la Liga or the prem etc and it creates more imbalance because players are attracted to Champions League teams. Tottenham and Arsenal would struggle to attract top players if they were not guaranteed Champions League places unless they won the actual League. Those players might then go to Champions in other European countries and that would therefore create a more level playing field, and a more competitive tournament. Absolutely, especially when race for top 4 gets pumped up by sky
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 13:31:23 GMT
and it creates more imbalance because players are attracted to Champions League teams. Tottenham and Arsenal would struggle to attract top players if they were not guaranteed Champions League places unless they won the actual League. Those players might then go to Champions in other European countries and that would therefore create a more level playing field, and a more competitive tournament. Absolutely, especially when race for top 4 gets pumped up by sky which shows there are several parties who are complicit in this degrading of football. Who is going to untangle that lot and take it on? Not UEFA because they have been nurturing this imbalance year after year and filling their own pockets as they go.
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Post by stokeyank on Apr 21, 2021 13:33:56 GMT
Well if you buy that folks I've got a twelve year old Ford Focus that you might be interested in. ... patronising American arsehole Why do you need to throw American in there, he's just generally an asshole! But seriously the money grabbing American (and any country) dipshits who think they can profit off of everything in the world piss me off to no end.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2021 13:52:10 GMT
"Clubs opting into the European Super League should be banned immediately from the Premier League, says former England captain Alan Shearer. The striker, who scored a Premier League record 260 goals for Blackburn and Newcastle, told BBC Breakfast the proposals "were not right", describing it as a "closed shop" Can't copy and paste it on my phone The video is on the BBC sport website ( 2 mins ) Fuck that we’ll never get promoted if those lot come down Not if they are kicked into the lowest non leagues possible.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 21, 2021 14:46:19 GMT
I think old Oscar applies here doesn't he “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” Definitely and actually it's part of footballing culture now. Like Delap became part of it. It's hugely complimentary even if it is used at every turn and can seem a bit tiresome. I have recently working with someone in Washington, DC who spent some time working in London (no prizes for guessing who he supported). When I told him I supported Stoke his immediate reaction was “oh, you had Peter Crouch”. It’s not the first time I have had that reaction.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 21, 2021 14:48:06 GMT
... patronising American arsehole Why do you need to throw American in there, he's just generally an asshole! But seriously the money grabbing American (and any country) dipshits who think they can profit off of everything in the world piss me off to no end. Me too! However, in this case one of the big drivers of this is Australian, Rupert Murdock.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 21, 2021 15:23:13 GMT
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