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Post by spitthedog on Sept 22, 2020 14:13:24 GMT
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Post by wrighter on Sept 22, 2020 14:51:01 GMT
We all hate Dean & Twatkinson, but this is going a bit too far
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Post by franklin on Sept 22, 2020 14:52:29 GMT
Its a disgrace he was given a simple caution.
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Post by Northy on Sept 22, 2020 14:55:24 GMT
That's not good, also some serious accusations against the FA in the report.
Cassidy said he asked FA referees' chief David Elleray three years ago to push for match officials to be designated as a vulnerable role, which would offer extra legal protection and make this case a chargeable offence irrespective of any mitigation.
"We believe nothing will change until a match official is murdered and if that does happen, like it has in other countries, we will remind the FA of the opportunities they had to protect referees more and failed to do so. This is one of the opportunities," he added.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2020 15:07:05 GMT
I really think he should have been given some time behind the bars for that, really awful!  |
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Post by onepara on Sept 22, 2020 15:25:24 GMT
The referee involved should take out a personal charge against him, & a charge against the Referees Association for not protecting him against assault.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 22, 2020 15:42:33 GMT
The referee involved should take out a personal charge against him, & a charge against the Referees Association for not protecting him against assault. I agree with your opinion, but not your use of an ampersand. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 22, 2020 15:44:40 GMT
We all hate Dean & Twatkinson, but this is going a bit too far Although Styles deserved a few right handers. H |
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Post by mattyd2 on Sept 22, 2020 15:44:55 GMT
The referee involved should take out a personal charge against him, & a charge against the Referees Association for not protecting him against assault. I agree with your opinion, but not your use of an ampersand. Ampersand Lives Matter |
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Post by sirgreenhoff on Sept 22, 2020 15:49:04 GMT
The referee involved should take out a personal charge against him, & a charge against the Referees Association for not protecting him against assault. I very much agree with the first part of your sentiments. The ref involved should consider taking out a personal case against the fella that walloped him. I am a little puzzled about the 2nd part. Exactly how are the Referees Association supposed to protect the Ref' when he's on the field of play. Short of having a body guard running around along side the bloke, what else could they have done? |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 22, 2020 15:49:22 GMT
'no allegations were substantiated'
Wtf?
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Post by questionable on Sept 22, 2020 15:50:19 GMT
We all hate Dean & Twatkinson, but this is going a bit too far In all honesty the pair of them do deserve something, whatever it was I wouldn’t lose any sleep. |
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Post by franklin on Sept 22, 2020 15:57:16 GMT
'no allegations were substantiated' Wtf? I think at the time the victim had not come forward with a complaint. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 22, 2020 16:00:11 GMT
'no allegations were substantiated' Wtf? I think at the time the victim had not come forward with a complaint. He probably assumed that this would be treated as a criminal offence without going forward? Surely the FA should have taken up the case on his behalf anyway? Like it says living in the same area as the player is pretty intimidating for the victim. |
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Post by franklin on Sept 22, 2020 16:09:37 GMT
I think at the time the victim had not come forward with a complaint. He probably assumed that this would be treated as a criminal offence without going forward? Surely the FA should have taken up the case on his behalf anyway? Like it says living in the same area as the player is pretty intimidating for the victim. I get that but you do need a victim to come forward to start the ball rolling although you can have victimless prosecutions at times but they are hard to prosecute. He did eventually come forward and they dealt with it, not very well imho. Its a tough one with first time offenders of previous good character. Although its a nasty attack it was a minor offence in the grand scheme of things but it warranted more than a caution for me. |
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 22, 2020 16:12:56 GMT
Should be jailed and banded for life, I did stop reading the article though once he brought up the race card
I dont believe for one minute they looked at it and thought its a asian so its ok.
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Post by march4 on Sept 22, 2020 16:24:07 GMT
The FA should be paying the legal costs for a private prosecution.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2020 16:30:02 GMT
That is assault why has this scum bag mindless thug not been charged as such, fcuking animal. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 22, 2020 16:55:23 GMT
Should be jailed and banded for life, I did stop reading the article though once he brought up the race card I dont believe for one minute they looked at it and thought its a asian so its ok. I don't see how you can make a judgement on whether or not he felt it was racially motivated or not without knowing the circumstances of the person and their previous experiences. Writing off what someone feels in that situation as 'playing the race card' is extremely dismissive imo. It's important to let victims of what they perceive to be injustices to be able to express what they feel they are being subject to, even if that ultimately proves not to be the case. When a victim is trying to make sense of what they perceive of as an injustice then its entirely plausible that this option might going through their minds, especially when a) it is inconsistent with other penalties of a similar nature and b) depending on what other discriminatory experiences that person has been subject to historically (something we do not know) It's plain wrong to dismiss a person's feelings in this way imho especially with such a derogatory phrase as 'playing the race card'. |
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 22, 2020 17:05:09 GMT
Should be jailed and banded for life, I did stop reading the article though once he brought up the race card I dont believe for one minute they looked at it and thought its a asian so its ok. I don't see how you can make a judgement on whether or not he felt it was racially motivated or not without knowing the circumstances of the person and their previous experiences. Writing off what someone feels in that situation as 'playing the race card' is extremely dismissive imo. It's important to let victims of what they perceive to be injustices to be able to express what they feel they are being subject to, even if that ultimately proves not to be the case. When a victim is trying to make sense of what they perceive of as an injustice then its entirely plausible that this option might going through their minds, especially when a) it is inconsistent with other penalties of a similar nature and b) depending on what other discriminatory experiences that person has been subject to historically (something we do not know) It's plain wrong to dismiss a person's feelings in this way imho especially with such a derogatory phrase as 'playing the race card'. His comment was he felt it was race related, he believed if it had been a white man it would be different, that is playing the race card in my book. There was no need for the comment at all, he should just seek a private prosecution. |
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 22, 2020 18:12:33 GMT
Hadn't is used to be the case that any player hitting an official would be banned "sine die"? Seems the option is still available...so why not used in this case?
Serious Misconduct Offences
Sine die suspensions for serious misconduct offences are permanent and cannot be removed.
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Post by dave1 on Sept 22, 2020 18:34:59 GMT
What a wank punch. He missed with the first and the 2nd was more like a slap
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Post by Veritas on Sept 22, 2020 18:36:01 GMT
What a wank punch. He missed with the first and the 2nd was more like a slap That makes it alright then. |
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Post by dave1 on Sept 22, 2020 18:45:24 GMT
What a wank punch. He missed with the first and the 2nd was more like a slap That makes it alright then. Didn't say that did I. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 22, 2020 19:24:24 GMT
What a wank punch. He missed with the first and the 2nd was more like a slap Wonder what his shooting was like 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 19:46:35 GMT
Man assaults another man.
Man admits assault.
Man given caution.
Whats all this rubbish being spouted about him going to Court / jail?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 23, 2020 7:20:52 GMT
He probably assumed that this would be treated as a criminal offence without going forward? Surely the FA should have taken up the case on his behalf anyway? Like it says living in the same area as the player is pretty intimidating for the victim. I get that but you do need a victim to come forward to start the ball rolling although you can have victimless prosecutions at times but they are hard to prosecute. He did eventually come forward and they dealt with it, not very well imho. Its a tough one with first time offenders of previous good character. Although its a nasty attack it was a minor offence in the grand scheme of things but it warranted more than a caution for me. I thought the police could bring charges without a complaint if it was in the public interest to do so? The evidence stares you in the face so no difficulty to prosecute surely? |
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Post by franklin on Sept 23, 2020 8:44:02 GMT
I get that but you do need a victim to come forward to start the ball rolling although you can have victimless prosecutions at times but they are hard to prosecute. He did eventually come forward and they dealt with it, not very well imho. Its a tough one with first time offenders of previous good character. Although its a nasty attack it was a minor offence in the grand scheme of things but it warranted more than a caution for me. I thought the police could bring charges without a complaint if it was in the public interest to do so? The evidence stares you in the face so no difficulty to prosecute surely? Which is what I said but its better with a victim. |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 23, 2020 10:03:12 GMT
Needs neutering to break the line!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 23, 2020 10:16:20 GMT
A caution by the police was ridiculous. It wasn't just common assault (which can mean a caution MAY be appropriate) it was actual bodily harm as the result of the punches was a cut which required stitches. A caution for actual bodily harm is very rare. It may have been difficult to prove it was racially motivated but anyone who causes ABH for any reason should expect a charge and a conviction rather than a caution. I wonder if the police went for a caution because of the huge backlog of court cases which has been caused by covid19? They shouldn't go down the caution route for those reasons - but I bet there is a temptation to do so to ease the backlog a bit.  |
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