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Post by mickstupp on Feb 16, 2021 11:22:34 GMT
I honestly thought we were too hasty sacking Rowett. Having appointed him and given him enormous financing backing, I still think he should have been given a full season at least. I thought he had to go. Nothing was going to get better. He'd wasted the largest single-window warchest in the club's history on players who didn't fit the tedious way he wanted to play, he ostracised anyone at the club with even the merest whiff of creativity, he thought he could set up the big-spending, overwhelming favourites for promotion as plucky underdogs trying to pinch something on the break and then couldn't fathom why we couldn't break teams down at home, then threw players under the bus when it started going wrong before having a pop at the fans. It was a disaster. He didn't deserve another window to address dreadful failures of his own making. Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth (?) in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2021 11:23:01 GMT
I can't agree sorry. Systems are the biggest part of football. I don't get why the managers hang their hat on someone like Allen, it makes no sense. Totally blinded by the glamour of them. But that imo is the managers issue. He shouldn't be picking them. The league has got overtly more tactical in recent years as well. Not many teams hoof their way to promotion these days. Definitely, the top 6 are footballing sides. Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) and Boro who are hoofers. Then Blackburn who imo are a good side and try to play how you'd expect Mowbray too. And then there's us who don't know what we are. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 16, 2021 11:24:20 GMT
I thought he had to go. Nothing was going to get better. He'd wasted the largest single-window warchest in the club's history on players who didn't fit the tedious way he wanted to play, he ostracised anyone at the club with even the merest whiff of creativity, he thought he could set up the big-spending, overwhelming favourites for promotion as plucky underdogs trying to pinch something on the break and then couldn't fathom why we couldn't break teams down at home, then threw players under the bus when it started going wrong before having a pop at the fans. It was a disaster. He didn't deserve another window to address dreadful failures of his own making. Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. We were 14th, eight points off the play offs and had won 8 of our first 26 games. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2021 11:25:24 GMT
Interesting that Bristol City are potentially getting rid of Holden. They are on the same points as us and have won more games. Their recent record is 4 wins in the last 13 league games, compared to our 1 win in 13. After the sacking of Tindall with a similar record, I can't work out if other chairmen are over the top and trigger happy or ours are too loyal and sensible? What's the middle ground if there is one? Are ours loyal and sensible? We’ve had five managers in three years, how many have trigger happy clubs like Watford or Nottingham Forest had in that time? Scary thing is two of them were kept too long. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 11:26:15 GMT
The league has got overtly more tactical in recent years as well. Not many teams hoof their way to promotion these days. ...Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) .... It's this phenomenon called 'winning games'. I had to google it... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2021 11:27:18 GMT
...Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) .... It's this phenomenon called 'winning games'. I had to google it... Still, they're absolutely fucking shit. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 16, 2021 11:31:21 GMT
Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. We were 14th, eight points off the play offs and had won 8 of our first 26 games. Yes you are quite right. After our loss to Bristol City on New Years Day we dropped to 14th and eight points off sixth. It still wasn’t insurmountable and we certainly didn’t get any closer to the top six after he left. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 16, 2021 11:34:18 GMT
Pretty much my point though wasn't it? The sacking wasn't wrong, the subsequent appointment was. I honestly thought we were too hasty sacking Rowett. Having appointed him and given him enormous financing backing, I still think he should have been given a full season at least. Millwall’s form is pretty much the same as ours now and when he managed Stoke. Plus, he wasted millions. He’s a capable mid table manager imo but not really good enough for us if our board’s aspirations are to be believed. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 16, 2021 11:34:37 GMT
We were 14th, eight points off the play offs and had won 8 of our first 26 games. Yes you are quite right. After our loss to Bristol City on New Years Day we dropped to 14th and eight points off sixth. It still wasn’t insurmountable and we certainly didn’t get any closer to the top six after he left. It was insurmountable with him and his tactics. There was no sign whatsoever things were going to improve. I refer you to the list of problems he caused. We didn't get better after he left because we appointed another buffoon. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 16, 2021 11:37:56 GMT
I thought he had to go. Nothing was going to get better. He'd wasted the largest single-window warchest in the club's history on players who didn't fit the tedious way he wanted to play, he ostracised anyone at the club with even the merest whiff of creativity, he thought he could set up the big-spending, overwhelming favourites for promotion as plucky underdogs trying to pinch something on the break and then couldn't fathom why we couldn't break teams down at home, then threw players under the bus when it started going wrong before having a pop at the fans. It was a disaster. He didn't deserve another window to address dreadful failures of his own making. Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth (?) in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. Boring footy, wasted millions and upset the fans. Tony and Pete decided this scapegoat needs to go I would imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 11:41:21 GMT
Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth (?) in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. Boring footy, wasted millions and upset the fans. Tony and Pete decided this scapegoat needs to go I would imagine. The turning point with Rowett was the Shrewsbury game, where the heat suddenly shifted towards the board...or a certain board member and the Technical Director. When that happens, the manager soon follows. |
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 16, 2021 11:42:51 GMT
The timing of sackings apart from Hughes have been OK. Rowett maybe a little tardy and he might have survived longer if he had engaged his brain before mouth. Certainly rapid bullet for the woeful Lambert and the nutjob Jones were spot on.
It's the appointments that have been awful. present incumbent excepted, who in their right minds appoints Paul Lambert for a Premier League relegation fight? A question for Rowett in his job interview should have been who do you want as your dream front 3 in a 4-3-3 a reply of Ince Afobe McClean should have terminated the meeting pronto! And surely, even though many on here were seduced by Jones's almost evangelical bullshit, anyone with a bit of acumen would have seen through him pretty quickly. I remain staggered that Coates senior didn't overrule what was clearly a Coates's junior beer riddled decision.
Thankfully some sanity has prevailed and a decent appointment has been made.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 16, 2021 11:59:31 GMT
The league has got overtly more tactical in recent years as well. Not many teams hoof their way to promotion these days. Definitely, the top 6 are footballing sides. Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) and Boro who are hoofers. Then Blackburn who imo are a good side and try to play how you'd expect Mowbray too. And then there's us who don't know what we are. I don’t think they are all exclusively “footballing sides”. Can you say that Reading are a good footballing side? Certainly not on the evidence of their two games against us they aren’t. Watford chop and change so often I’ve got no idea what they are. The teams at the top, as always, are the teams that are strong throughout the core of the team and with a cutting edge up front. A bit of luck with injuries and suspension helps aswell. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2021 12:23:29 GMT
Definitely, the top 6 are footballing sides. Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) and Boro who are hoofers. Then Blackburn who imo are a good side and try to play how you'd expect Mowbray too. And then there's us who don't know what we are. I don’t think they are all exclusively “footballing sides”. Can you say that Reading are a good footballing side? Certainly not on the evidence of their two games against us they aren’t. Watford chop and change so often I’ve got no idea what they are. The teams at the top, as always, are the teams that are strong throughout the core of the team and with a cutting edge up front. A bit of luck with injuries and suspension helps aswell. I don't think they're very good but I think they try and play football. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 16, 2021 12:54:58 GMT
The timing of sackings apart from Hughes have been OK. Rowett maybe a little tardy and he might have survived longer if he had engaged his brain before mouth. Certainly rapid bullet for the woeful Lambert and the nutjob Jones were spot on. It's the appointments that have been awful. present incumbent excepted, who in their right minds appoints Paul Lambert for a Premier League relegation fight? A question for Rowett in his job interview should have been who do you want as your dream front 3 in a 4-3-3 a reply of Ince Afobe McClean should have terminated the meeting pronto! And surely, even though many on here were seduced by Jones's almost evangelical bullshit, anyone with a bit of acumen would have seen through him pretty quickly. I remain staggered that Coates senior didn't overrule what was clearly a Coates's junior beer riddled decision. Thankfully some sanity has prevailed and a decent appointment has been made. When’s this appointment happening do you have inside knowledge |
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Post by thestatusquo on Feb 16, 2021 14:26:48 GMT
...Then you have Cardiff (how the fuck are they 7th btw?) .... It's this phenomenon called 'winning games'. I had to google it... Yes I’m trying to remember. No it’s gone |
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Post by a on Feb 16, 2021 15:05:53 GMT
Ole have those wheels come off lad Not just come off, been stolen & left on bricks! Funny old Game! They had btw but he’s turned the ship a bit |
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Post by a on Feb 16, 2021 15:08:26 GMT
Interesting that Bristol City are potentially getting rid of Holden. They are on the same points as us and have won more games. Their recent record is 4 wins in the last 13 league games, compared to our 1 win in 13. After the sacking of Tindall with a similar record, I can't work out if other chairmen are over the top and trigger happy or ours are too loyal and sensible? What's the middle ground if there is one? We probably would’ve pulled he trigger if not for the merry go round we’ve become in the last 3 or so years. |
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Post by a on Feb 16, 2021 15:15:21 GMT
Other than that though, what did Gary Rowett actually do wrong 😂 Seriously though, we were eighth (?) in the division and just outside the play offs when he left. It wasn’t a disastrous position. Boring footy, wasted millions and upset the fans. Tony and Pete decided this scapegoat needs to go I would imagine. I think the decision was taken off the back of being too slow with Hughes. They massively jumped the gun imo but we are where we are. I like MON tho he seems very level headed. |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 16, 2021 17:31:13 GMT
The timing of sackings apart from Hughes have been OK. Rowett maybe a little tardy and he might have survived longer if he had engaged his brain before mouth. Certainly rapid bullet for the woeful Lambert and the nutjob Jones were spot on. It's the appointments that have been awful. present incumbent excepted, who in their right minds appoints Paul Lambert for a Premier League relegation fight? A question for Rowett in his job interview should have been who do you want as your dream front 3 in a 4- 3-3 a reply of Ince Afobe McClean should have terminated the meeting pronto! And surely, even though many on here were seduced by Jones's almost evangelical bullshit, anyone with a bit of acumen would have seen through him pretty quickly. I remain staggered that Coates senior didn't overrule what was clearly a Coates's junior beer riddled decision. Thankfully some sanity has prevailed and a decent appointment has been made. With hindsight I definitely wouldn’t argue with that and I wasn’t very keen on any of those three at the time but Rowett’s strategy would have appeared sound. He was a manager with good championship experience. He was taking over a club that had underperformed (?) the season before and but for some self-inflicted errors might have survived. He wanted three players with a proven record in the division to provide the extra reliable grit to a brittle but talented enough (?) side and the owners backed his judgement. It made sense at the time I suppose. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 16, 2021 18:09:30 GMT
Not just come off, been stolen & left on bricks! Funny old Game! They had btw but he’s turned the ship a bit Our ship has run aground!  Funny old game indeed |
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Post by a on Feb 16, 2021 20:01:39 GMT
Funny old Game! They had btw but he’s turned the ship a bit Our ship has run aground! Funny old game indeed Haha it’s gone full Bismarck |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 16, 2021 21:17:28 GMT
Boring footy, wasted millions and upset the fans. Tony and Pete decided this scapegoat needs to go I would imagine. I think the decision was taken off the back of being too slow with Hughes. They massively jumped the gun imo but we are where we are. I like MON tho he seems very level headed. The Anger of the fans turning publically on scholes by name with Cartwright at the away game prior bywas a huge coincidence if it had nothing to with the timing of Rowett Departing |
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Post by a on Feb 16, 2021 21:24:55 GMT
I think the decision was taken off the back of being too slow with Hughes. They massively jumped the gun imo but we are where we are. I like MON tho he seems very level headed. The Anger of the fans turning publically on scholes by name with Cartwright at the away game prior bywas a huge coincidence if it had nothing to with the timing of Rowett Departing Probably had a big bearing |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 16, 2021 22:39:52 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 17, 2021 16:13:04 GMT
Roy Hodgson may be next. Locals getting angry!  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 17, 2021 16:15:39 GMT
Roy Hodgson may be next. Locals getting angry! Crikey! That’s what half term in lock down does to you! These kids are out of control🤣 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 20, 2021 18:45:18 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 20, 2021 18:48:55 GMT
Crikey- he was our first choice for the job wasn't he? *shudders* |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 20, 2021 18:51:23 GMT
Look at what you could have won! 😲 |
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Funny old game indeed 
