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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 19, 2020 11:37:51 GMT
Whatever floats your boat. I'll call it as I see it and not just off past opinions and quite frankly weird agendas. Hope thats OK with you? I fucking hate this agenda bollocks. It’s just the basis of a shit baseless argument. I wish people would just do away with the notion because who actually has an agenda against a player? There’s players you like and there’s players you don’t like. That’s football, that’s life. But an agenda? Bollocks. It’s an easy get out clause for people who don’t want to form a good argument to be a nuisance. Of course its juts an opinion, overplayed often baseless one. A few people on here theres the one tracked mindset and every subject has to go back to it to justify thier 'opinion'.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 19, 2020 11:39:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 11:41:22 GMT
Please can we not have that combination up front again together this season!!! They were both important for us in the latter stages of last season - which is only a few weeks ago - so they have some credit in the bank and O'Neill likes to have a big man up frpnt and an energetic runner beside him, so I'd say they will play again together and apart, but as the early parts of the season evolve I think they will be benched at times, as Fletcher and Brown are impressing and will be pushing for regular spots as they settle in and are fully fit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 19, 2020 11:42:14 GMT
Sounds like you've got a bit of an agenda on the go here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 11:44:36 GMT
MON watches the players and picks the team and tactics. He hasn't done badly so far so if that's what he chooses then fine by me. Campbell had a stinker last Saturday, so bad that if we took off our Stoke youth (half) product glasses I'm sure many would be saying never again. Many said exactly that in the early parts of last season. Then what happened? The lad saved us!
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 19, 2020 11:53:46 GMT
MON knows by now that the punters will have his knackers, if he persists with including Vokes, Ince, Gregory and Butland in the squad of 25. The game is up on them and they very well know it too. If they were smart they would ask to go immediately before they end up in League 2/3. With Verlinden and Allen due to return, there is no place for this foursome at Stoke any more. Not if we carry on doing well. I think MON is not influenced much by what fans think. He decides himself or Tyrese, Souttar and Collins would be in every week. I suspect he has decided for himself that Davies is no. 1 - a brave decision as regards fan's opinions, and that Ince is surplus to requirements. However I expect to see Vokes and Gregory involved throughout the season, maybe not as regular starters but certainly in the team at times.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 19, 2020 11:55:37 GMT
MON watches the players and picks the team and tactics. He hasn't done badly so far so if that's what he chooses then fine by me. Campbell had a stinker last Saturday, so bad that if we took off our Stoke youth (half) product glasses I'm sure many would be saying never again. Many said exactly that in the early parts of last season. Then what happened? The lad saved us! Not after lock down. MON reverted to Gregory whose goals saved us.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 19, 2020 11:57:30 GMT
Sounds like you've got a bit of an agenda on the go here. I think I do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 12:35:13 GMT
Many said exactly that in the early parts of last season. Then what happened? The lad saved us! Not after lock down. MON reverted to Gregory whose goals saved us. we wouldn't have been in a position to be saved had Ty's goals not paved the way.
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Post by march4 on Sept 19, 2020 13:30:59 GMT
Nothing wrong with Vokes, because goals are irrelevant Very true. Same things were said about Mama.
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2020 13:46:06 GMT
Not after lock down. MON reverted to Gregory whose goals saved us. we wouldn't have been in a position to be saved had Ty's goals not paved the way. Team effort then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 14:05:09 GMT
we wouldn't have been in a position to be saved had Ty's goals not paved the way. Team effort then We're discussing strikers.
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 19, 2020 14:22:16 GMT
Perfect name for those little bars of soap found in hotel bathrooms.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 15:38:41 GMT
Very true. Same things were said about Mama. Difference is Mama could actually move.
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Post by jarvinski on Sept 20, 2020 14:52:48 GMT
Fuck Vokes off
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Post by LankyPotter on Sept 20, 2020 14:53:58 GMT
Campbell doesn’t offer alot if the ball isn’t being played in behind does he?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 15:57:20 GMT
He won't start for us ever again will he?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:58:54 GMT
He won't start for us ever again will he? No, and we won't be using that back five again will we?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 20, 2020 16:02:00 GMT
Send Vokes to Blackpool beach the fucking donkey
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Post by thehoof on Sept 20, 2020 16:02:20 GMT
Campbell doesn’t offer alot if the ball isn’t being played in behind does he? Who does?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 16:04:39 GMT
He won't start for us ever again will he? No, and we won't be using that back five again will we? Please God no
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Post by LankyPotter on Sept 20, 2020 20:11:47 GMT
Campbell doesn’t offer alot if the ball isn’t being played in behind does he? Who does? Gregory does, Fletcher does, Brown Does (and he offers a threat in behind) Vokes abit maybe. My point is that with his back to goal Campbell is abit of a liability, probably an in the heat of the moment statement but he wound me uo today when he came on.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 20, 2020 20:18:35 GMT
Gregory offers no threat anywhere, Brown has pace but in the little that I’ve seen of him, I’d say his football brain is still at the learning stage. Fletcher is a decent footballer, but will struggle if he has to play all season with his back to goal. Goal scorers score because the ball is in front of them and they are facing the goal. Today we didn’t play one decent forward pass- it was just aimless hoofing; me and you could have defended against it.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 20, 2020 21:31:55 GMT
I am not sure Vokes is up to it as a back up hold up man to Fletcher. He's so limited and ponderous, that said I think we are stuck with him. It wouldn't surprise me if Campbell was sold before the window ends.
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Post by 1982stokie on Sept 20, 2020 21:43:26 GMT
Was it really 9 million for a Vokes, a staggeringly bad signing, Burnley must have been laughing all the way to the bank
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