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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 19:42:34 GMT
How the fuck is it fair that Wycombe can have supporters shouting their team on when we can't.
Its totally ridiculous and should only be allowed for either all clubs or none at all.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 2, 2020 19:44:07 GMT
How the fuck is it fair that Wycombe can have supporters shouting their team on when we can't. Its totally ridiculous and should only be allowed for either all clubs or none at all. Whilst I agree, it's tough shit I'm afraid.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 19:46:30 GMT
How the fuck is it fair that Wycombe can have supporters shouting their team on when we can't. Its totally ridiculous and should only be allowed for either all clubs or none at all. Whilst I agree, it's tough shit I'm afraid. Totally unfair advantage. Why aren't clubs stopping this form happening
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 2, 2020 19:48:47 GMT
I agree it's unfair, but that's life at times. It's a step forward and it's good to hear a live crowd again. And apparently the Wycombe fans clapped Bursik.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 19:50:24 GMT
I agree it's unfair, but that's life at times. It's a step forward and it's good to hear a live crowd again. And apparently the Wycombe fans clapped Bursik. Bollocks to a step forward, it should be all or nothing.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 2, 2020 19:53:43 GMT
It's probably been mentioned but I'll say it anyways. Right now it's proven home advantage has been nullified since the crowds can no longer give that extra edge but it's the same for all teams so it's fair. If we're allowing crowds of 4000 for tier 1, 2000 tier 2 and 0 tier 3 surely that'll be handing that home advantage back to the teams representing in tiers 1 and 2? For the club's representing in tier 3 it's not their fault what's going on within the city regards Covid yet they'll continue to lose the home advantage because of it. I understand why the different tiers would allow different crowd numbers for safety reasons but I don't think it should happen till it's safe enough across the board to continue to give an even playing field. Whether I'd be saying this if we were in tier 1 I'm not sure but as we're heading for tier 3 it's a worthy discussion. I'll quote my own post from a week back. This match sums it nicely. A clear home advantage we won't get on the reverse fixture as things stand.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 2, 2020 19:58:34 GMT
I agree it's unfair, but that's life at times. It's a step forward and it's good to hear a live crowd again. And apparently the Wycombe fans clapped Bursik. Bollocks to a step forward, it should be all or nothing. Well no, it's not "bollocks to step forward" at all. Stepping forward is what we've wanted since March.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 20:05:26 GMT
Bollocks to a step forward, it should be all or nothing. Well no, it's not "bollocks to step forward" at all. Stepping forward is what we've wanted since March. Not if it causes an unfair disadvantage for my football club. It shouldn't even be contemplated and I can't believe its been allowed to happen.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 2, 2020 20:06:03 GMT
Bollocks to a step forward, it should be all or nothing. Well no, it's not "bollocks to step forward" at all. Stepping forward is what we've wanted since March. Of course we've wanted to get fans back in stadiums but when only a select few clubs can have fans back due to the area they happen to represent being in a lower tier isn't fair against those clubs which at no fault of there own happen to represent clubs in a higher tier and thus not allowed fans. It's either done across the board or not at all. A few times in this game already a weaker ref could have given decisions against us unjust due to crowd reaction.
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Post by lordb on Dec 2, 2020 20:07:05 GMT
Well no, it's not "bollocks to step forward" at all. Stepping forward is what we've wanted since March. Of course we've wanted to get fans back in stadiums but when only a select few clubs can have fans back due to the area they happen to represent being in a lower tier isn't fair against those clubs which at no fault of there own happen to represent clubs in a higher tier and thus not allowed fans. It's either done across the board or not at all. A few times in this game already a weaker ref could have given decisions against us unjust due to crowd reaction. Not for me Rather have fans at some games than none at all games
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Post by Uncle cheese on Dec 2, 2020 20:07:16 GMT
It's probably been mentioned but I'll say it anyways. Right now it's proven home advantage has been nullified since the crowds can no longer give that extra edge but it's the same for all teams so it's fair. If we're allowing crowds of 4000 for tier 1, 2000 tier 2 and 0 tier 3 surely that'll be handing that home advantage back to the teams representing in tiers 1 and 2? For the club's representing in tier 3 it's not their fault what's going on within the city regards Covid yet they'll continue to lose the home advantage because of it. I understand why the different tiers would allow different crowd numbers for safety reasons but I don't think it should happen till it's safe enough across the board to continue to give an even playing field. Whether I'd be saying this if we were in tier 1 I'm not sure but as we're heading for tier 3 it's a worthy discussion. I'll quote my own post from a week back. This match sums it nicely. A clear home advantage we won't get on the reverse fixture as things stand. Surely being able to call on a multi million pound up front will be the bigger advantage..........or maybe not
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 20:09:15 GMT
Of course we've wanted to get fans back in stadiums but when only a select few clubs can have fans back due to the area they happen to represent being in a lower tier isn't fair against those clubs which at no fault of there own happen to represent clubs in a higher tier and thus not allowed fans. It's either done across the board or not at all. A few times in this game already a weaker ref could have given decisions against us unjust due to crowd reaction. Not for me Rather have fans at some games than none at all games Even if that means the crowd influences a very important refereeing decision that causes us to lose a game / games?
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 2, 2020 20:18:19 GMT
Not for me Rather have fans at some games than none at all games Even if that means the crowd influences a very important refereeing decision that causes us to lose a game / games? Yes, otherwise we will eventually be in a position where 91 clubs are waiting for the remaining one and losing crucial revenue. I don't begrudge Wycombe their 1000 supporters tonight
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 2, 2020 20:22:10 GMT
Even if that means the crowd influences a very important refereeing decision that causes us to lose a game / games? Yes, otherwise we will eventually be in a position where 91 clubs are waiting for the remaining one and losing crucial revenue. I don't begrudge Wycombe their 1000 supporters tonight Yes there's the financial aspect too. Would you be happy if we were a very poor club financially and other teams in the division who were more well off were also allowed the added advantage of getting the financial benefit of gate receipts. The whole thing stinks. All or nothing.
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 2, 2020 20:29:07 GMT
Yes, otherwise we will eventually be in a position where 91 clubs are waiting for the remaining one and losing crucial revenue. I don't begrudge Wycombe their 1000 supporters tonight Yes there's the financial aspect too. Would you be happy if we were a very poor club financially and other teams in the division who were more well off were also allowed the added advantage of getting the financial benefit of gate receipts. The whole thing stinks. All or nothing. Life stinks. Covid stinks. This is never going to end with a big (christmas light) switch on and I am referring to society in general as well as football.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 2, 2020 20:32:08 GMT
I can't think of anything in 2020 that has been 'fair'
Of course, in an ideal world we would have fans back at all grounds with the proportioned allowance but life ain't fair normally and it certainly ain't fair now.
But to bemoan other clubs being able to welcome back fans to their ground smacks of jealousy and a bit of sour grapes.
I hope all fans back in grounds tonight have a great time and in particular the 1000 intimidating Wycombe fans who's booing of our own team gets their bollocks fired up.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Dec 2, 2020 20:38:12 GMT
Not fair?! Bloody hell.
Is it fair that some teams have 70k stadia then, too? Whilst others only have 5k?! :eyeroll:
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 2, 2020 20:39:59 GMT
Whilst it isn't fair some teams can have fans in it is a step in the right direction, if it's successful and there no rise in cases maybe its an argument for all stadiums to get fans back.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 2, 2020 20:44:14 GMT
You'll all see our point if at 90 minutes Wycombe get given a dubious penalty helped along by the home crowd.
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 2, 2020 20:52:34 GMT
You'll all see our point if at 90 minutes Wycombe get given a dubious penalty helped along by the home crowd. So that would be a poor refereeing decision then
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 2, 2020 20:56:06 GMT
Was it fair last season that we played Leeds United at home in front of 24,090 and away behind closed doors ?
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 2, 2020 20:57:42 GMT
You'll all see our point if at 90 minutes Wycombe get given a dubious penalty helped along by the home crowd. So that would be a poor refereeing decision then Yep influenced by the jeers of 1000 home fans which we wouldn't have in our home fixture through no fault of the club itself. Don't pretend like referees have never been persuaded by the jeers of fans before. It happens.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 2, 2020 21:01:12 GMT
I wonder if the home crowd benefitted us in that Cousins yellow card. Maybe the ref/assistant didn't want to be seen to be influenced by the crowd.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 2, 2020 21:06:54 GMT
Well no, it's not "bollocks to step forward" at all. Stepping forward is what we've wanted since March. Of course we've wanted to get fans back in stadiums but when only a select few clubs can have fans back due to the area they happen to represent being in a lower tier isn't fair against those clubs which at no fault of there own happen to represent clubs in a higher tier and thus not allowed fans. It's either done across the board or not at all. A few times in this game already a weaker ref could have given decisions against us unjust due to crowd reaction. Agree to disagree on this one. I've had a genuine lift today to see supporters back. Yeah it's not ideal for everyone, but it's a massive step in the right direction.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 2, 2020 21:21:51 GMT
Might be an unfair advantage, but we're on the verge of embarrassing them on their own pad.
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Post by loyal on Dec 3, 2020 13:16:42 GMT
A few fans in the ground can’t disguise the fact you are a pub team full of thugs like Wycombe
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 3, 2020 13:51:41 GMT
I haven’t seen a single professional player or manager bothered about it being unfair. They’re all just keen to see fans back in stadia (publicly - privately I suspect there’s a fair few who prefer the empty grounds).
They say the right things when they have to, of course, but they know fans in the ground have F all effect on the games really. The whole issue is an exercise in supporter vanity 😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 3, 2020 14:19:41 GMT
A few fans in the ground can’t disguise the fact you are a pub team full of thugs like Wycombe Who are you?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 3, 2020 14:21:53 GMT
In fairness, for the return fixture we could have more fans in the ground than Wycombe were allowed last night. With that in mind, will Wycombe be in their rights to moan about that likely possibility?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 3, 2020 14:34:19 GMT
If some of the good people of Stoke on Trent had stuck to the Covid guidelines a little more we wouldn't have one of the highest infection and death rates in the country and we too could have been at Tier 1 with the possibility of attending a match (among other things). It is fair as we've bought it all on ourselves, just take a trip to Trentham garden centre (even at the height of lock down) and see the ignorance of some people who appear to think that the rules don't apply to them or that it's just a big conspiracy and Covid doesn't really exist. It's a shit time and lots of people are suffering in a lot of ways but we've all got to be responsible and do our bit to help beat this shite disease even if it means we can't attend a football match. Gouranga.
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