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Post by Pugsley on Sept 4, 2020 9:41:01 GMT
Which he has been doing for two years now None blind as those who refuse to see Where was he vs Iceland? Where were any of them?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 4, 2020 9:47:15 GMT
Missing which is why non of them are world class, including sterling
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2020 10:30:21 GMT
Missing which is why non of them are world class, including sterling You could well use that scenario in regards Messi and Aguero in the last World Cup in regards Argentina Best we leave it
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 4, 2020 10:43:20 GMT
Missing which is why non of them are world class, including sterling Pele has done absolutely nothing in this century - useless....
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 4, 2020 10:45:27 GMT
Missing which is why non of them are world class, including sterling Pele has done absolutely nothing in this century - useless.... Erm he’s done plenty for erectile dysfunction😏
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 4, 2020 10:47:33 GMT
Pele has done absolutely nothing in this century - useless.... Erm he’s done plenty for erectile dysfunction😏 I'm no expert on that topic. I'll take your good word for it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 4, 2020 10:50:37 GMT
Erm he’s done plenty for erectile dysfunction😏 I'm no expert on that topic. I'll take your good word for it. I only know because I saw the advert a few years ago and thought it’d be amusing to send Peles starter pack to my mates home address knowing he’d be at work and his Mrs wasn’t.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 4, 2020 11:45:07 GMT
Missing which is why non of them are world class, including sterling You could well use that scenario in regards Messi and Aguero in the last World Cup in regards Argentina Best we leave it You could but messi has done It time and time again for Barca in the champions league big games such as finals and semis. Sterling goes missing. As said above he’s yet to prove himself on the big stage.
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2020 11:57:13 GMT
You could well use that scenario in regards Messi and Aguero in the last World Cup in regards Argentina Best we leave it You could but messi has done It time and time again for Barca in the champions league big games such as finals and semis. Sterling goes missing. As said above he’s yet to prove himself on the big stage. Stanley Mathews only won one honour ...the FA Cup and nothing with England alongside Tom Finney, Nat Lofthouse, Billy Wright etc etc It’s a nonsense argument
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 4, 2020 13:03:16 GMT
You could but messi has done It time and time again for Barca in the champions league big games such as finals and semis. Sterling goes missing. As said above he’s yet to prove himself on the big stage. Stanley Mathews only won one honour ...the FA Cup and nothing with England alongside Tom Finney, Nat Lofthouse, Billy Wright etc etc It’s a nonsense argument I wouldn't use the "hasn't won anything" argument, but given the most successful clubs sweep up much of the talent these days, I don't think it's a nonsense argument.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2020 13:19:47 GMT
He ticks most of the boxes, would get into virtually every club team in the world and virtually every International squad. If he isn't World Class then no English player is. He isn’t and no English player is So what side in world football wouldn’t he get in?
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Post by datguy on Sept 4, 2020 14:17:58 GMT
He's a brilliant player.
For me though, world class is best of the best. I don't think Raheem gets into a world 11.
And if he doesn't get into the world 11, I don't think any England player does. Kane is another one that is brilliant but there's 3-4 you'd have over him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 4, 2020 14:21:14 GMT
Update: 38% think Raheem Sterling is a world class player.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 4, 2020 14:36:05 GMT
He isn’t and no English player is So what side in world football wouldn’t he get in? Liverpool, Salah and mane have done it Europe
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Post by lordb on Sept 4, 2020 15:00:43 GMT
He's a brilliant player. For me though, world class is best of the best. I don't think Raheem gets into a world 11. And if he doesn't get into the world 11, I don't think any England player does. Kane is another one that is brilliant but there's 3-4 you'd have over him. Is there? As an out an out goal scoring centre forward? Levandoski and Kane neck and neck for me If they swapped clubs you'd see a difference. Don't see any better than those two
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 4, 2020 15:07:11 GMT
You might have had a better response if you'd added "odious little cunt", a "cheating batstard", a diving twat" and a "money grabbing mercenary" options. Other than that I couldn't give a flying fuck! Gouranga.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 4, 2020 15:17:35 GMT
I probably wouldn't put him in that top top bracket, but I don't believe he's a poor finisher anymore tbh. Past couple of years he's knocked all kinds of goals in and outperformed his xG for the last 2 years. Compared to his early career where he did struggle a bit. understat.com/player/618 the lack of assists also speaks of poorer finishing from others rather than him having low creativity. But I'd put him just in the sub-bracket below World XI for instance.
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Post by datguy on Sept 4, 2020 15:52:19 GMT
He's a brilliant player. For me though, world class is best of the best. I don't think Raheem gets into a world 11. And if he doesn't get into the world 11, I don't think any England player does. Kane is another one that is brilliant but there's 3-4 you'd have over him. Is there? As an out an out goal scoring centre forward? Levandoski and Kane neck and neck for me If they swapped clubs you'd see a difference. Don't see any better than those two Aubameyang, Suarez, Lewandoski and Aguero are all better imo. And that's just out and out goalscorers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2020 16:15:40 GMT
So what side in world football wouldn’t he get in? Liverpool, Salah and mane have done it Europe So that’s maybe one but it’s a coin toss imo between him and Mane and I’d probably have a front 3 of all them.
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Post by lordb on Sept 4, 2020 16:17:23 GMT
Which he has been doing for two years now None blind as those who refuse to see Where was he vs Iceland? thats 4 years ago he was shit like the rest of them England & especially Sterlng have moved on since then
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Post by lordb on Sept 4, 2020 16:19:46 GMT
Is there? As an out an out goal scoring centre forward? Levandoski and Kane neck and neck for me If they swapped clubs you'd see a difference. Don't see any better than those two Aubameyang, Suarez, Lewandoski and Aguero are all better imo. And that's just out and out goalscorers. Suarez? now? nah, no where near, declining rapidly that's why he's touted for a return to Dutch football Aguero, fantastic yes- on a par for me with Kane & Lewandoski Aubameyang , hmm, just behind
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Post by datguy on Sept 4, 2020 16:26:53 GMT
Aubameyang, Suarez, Lewandoski and Aguero are all better imo. And that's just out and out goalscorers. Suarez? now? nah, no where near, declining rapidly that's why he's touted for a return to Dutch football Aguero, fantastic yes- on a par for me with Kane & Lewandoski Aubameyang , hmm, just behind Suarez is brilliant. Obviously not at his peak now and has like you say declined. But if we're putting together a world 11, I think he gets in there above Kane. He's also about to sign for Juventus.
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Post by lordb on Sept 4, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
Suarez? now? nah, no where near, declining rapidly that's why he's touted for a return to Dutch football Aguero, fantastic yes- on a par for me with Kane & Lewandoski Aubameyang , hmm, just behind Suarez is brilliant. Obviously not at his peak now and has like you say declined. But if we're putting together a world 11, I think he gets in there above Kane. He's also about to sign for Juventus. Is he really? He's done well to get that Don't get me wrong he was top drawer he's just declining
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 4, 2020 19:10:39 GMT
Suarez is brilliant. Obviously not at his peak now and has like you say declined. But if we're putting together a world 11, I think he gets in there above Kane. He's also about to sign for Juventus. Is he really? He's done well to get that Don't get me wrong he was top drawer he's just declining Love an owd codger do Juve. All world class though🤔
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 4, 2020 20:14:34 GMT
Excellent at getting into goalscoring positions, but not a brilliant finisher. In fact, you could probably put together a world-class compilation of blunders in front of goal
Think he went a while without scoring at international level also.
Has definitely improved with age, I think you would have been laughed out the park had we had this conversation 2 years ago - still not world-class though
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 4, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
You might have had a better response if you'd added "odious little cunt", a "cheating batstard", a diving twat" and a "money grabbing mercenary" options. Other than that I couldn't give a flying fuck! Gouranga. Except he's none of those.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 4, 2020 20:34:28 GMT
You might have had a better response if you'd added "odious little cunt", a "cheating batstard", a diving twat" and a "money grabbing mercenary" options. Other than that I couldn't give a flying fuck! Gouranga. Except he's none of those. He has been known for simulation before
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Post by EccyStokie on Sept 4, 2020 20:34:48 GMT
He’s on the cusp but I don’t think he’s quite world class. For me that means a player who will be the best in any given team. He’s not that for me.
Brilliant player on his day though.
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Post by datguy on Sept 4, 2020 20:37:08 GMT
You might have had a better response if you'd added "odious little cunt", a "cheating batstard", a diving twat" and a "money grabbing mercenary" options. Other than that I couldn't give a flying fuck! Gouranga. Except he's none of those. The criticism he gets on that front really is odd. Especially the "money grabbing mercenary" quip. From what I've seen - he's the complete opposite.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 4, 2020 20:39:35 GMT
Except he's none of those. He has been known for simulation before As has every single footballer at every single pro level for ages.
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