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Post by stokeykez on Sept 8, 2020 20:40:02 GMT
Barnsley Chronicle sports editor still backing him to be very good STRIKER? Let's hope with the assists from McLean and clucas and the crosses from Tommy we have a team that are all important in assisting and chipping in a few goals here and there. Come on stoke, really excited for the season if this one comes off
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Post by jeycov on Sept 8, 2020 20:40:46 GMT
RWB to left forward. Can literally play everywhere. Does it mean Edwards is on his way out? Distinct possibility - I agree
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Post by jeycov on Sept 8, 2020 20:44:47 GMT
Looks like he plays mostly on the right wing, so hopefully he’s not coming in at the expense of Campbell’s playing time. He is only 22 years old I expect MON to carefully manage the playing times of all of his younger players, Campbell, Collins, Souttar, Oakley-Boothe. etc Good for all to be vying for more game time Agree, one of Vokes, Gregory, Ince will probably move on - preferably Ince
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 20:46:21 GMT
I'm quite excited by this.. not sure why, just a gut feeling. If only Rowett had made those types of signings in the first place, I’m sure the fans would have been more patient and cut him a lot more slack, and we’d have a lot more wriggle room in the transfer market. But we are where we are.....
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Post by pmjh on Sept 8, 2020 20:51:31 GMT
I'm quite excited by this.. not sure why, just a gut feeling. If only Rowett had made those types of signings in the first place, I’m sure the fans would have been more patient and cut him a lot more slack, and we’d have a lot more wriggle room in the transfer market. But we are where we are..... Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.
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Post by breakonthrough on Sept 8, 2020 20:58:30 GMT
Nice problem to have. I like that lineup I just dont see him dropping McClean he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet. I dont disagree with Bayern I'd like Campbell in the team but not sure he can lead the line and he can be a bit lazy but he definately has a tocuh of class where his finishing is concerned. I think MON is building a very decent squad just need to offload Wimmer, NDaiye and Bauer now and we'll be cooking. Lets not forget we also have Allen to come back and Verlinden though I can see Verlinden going out on loan to get his fitness. Whatever else, his versatility and pace gives us more options. It is going to be a tough season with so many midweek games and we will need to use a squad of at least 20 players who can fit into the team without a noticeable drop in quality. I'd like to see him play in addition to Campbell, not instead of him, but that will involve either one of them playing up front, or Brown playing as an attacking wing back if we go three at the back. Where this leaves a seemingly resurgent Ince is anyone's guess. I think maybe either wing or behind the striker to change a game off the bench to begin with? It’s a nice option to have talented players coming off the bench who can impact a game and it’s something we’ve been lacking.
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Post by maine on Sept 8, 2020 21:02:12 GMT
pmjh said
'Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.'
As a matter of interest which young players do you think he might have improved to date?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 8, 2020 21:06:21 GMT
pmjh said 'Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.' As a matter of interest which young players do you think he might have improved to date? You kidding ? Tyrese Campbell came on leaps and bounds for one, think he will do similar with verlinden
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 8, 2020 21:07:17 GMT
Whatever else, his versatility and pace gives us more options. It is going to be a tough season with so many midweek games and we will need to use a squad of at least 20 players who can fit into the team without a noticeable drop in quality. I'd like to see him play in addition to Campbell, not instead of him, but that will involve either one of them playing up front, or Brown playing as an attacking wing back if we go three at the back. Where this leaves a seemingly resurgent Ince is anyone's guess. I think maybe either wing or behind the striker to change a game off the bench to begin with? It’s a nice option to have talented players coming off the bench who can impact a game and it’s something we’ve been lacking. Not going to be too happy, though, is he? If we go 3-5-2 for, let's say, 50% of games (although who knows and it could be a lot more or a lot less) - and he's just getting the odd cameo off the bench at the 70-minute mark in every 3rd or 4th game, not really what he'll want as a 28 yo. Would he be behind both Campbell and Brown now in a 4-3-3? Is he an option on the left in a 4-3-3 (but again it'd only be off the bench and where would Verlinden fit in 4-6 weeks when he's up to speed, and Tymon?) Is he an option as a Powell alternative behind the striker where he supposedly did well last week? Potentially not the best return for someone who you dread to think what he's earning. Who'd be in a position to pay his wages in this league though?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 21:10:07 GMT
pmjh said 'Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.' As a matter of interest which young players do you think he might have improved to date? Campbell obviously.....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 8, 2020 21:10:29 GMT
pmjh said 'Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.' As a matter of interest which young players do you think he might have improved to date? Campbell and more recently Tymon now look to have a future at Stoke which was not the case when MON arrived. I suspect Verlinden would have a good few sub appearances under his belt if he hadn't picked up the injury.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 8, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
I think maybe either wing or behind the striker to change a game off the bench to begin with? It’s a nice option to have talented players coming off the bench who can impact a game and it’s something we’ve been lacking. Not going to be too happy, though, is he? If we go 3-5-2 for, let's say, 50% of games (although who knows and it could be a lot more or a lot less) - and he's just getting the odd cameo off the bench at the 70-minute mark in every 3rd or 4th game, not really what he'll want as a 28 yo. Would he be behind both Campbell and Brown now in a 4-3-3? Is he an option on the left in a 4-3-3 (but again it'd only be off the bench and where would Verlinden fit in 4-6 weeks when he's up to speed, and Tymon?) Is he an option as a Powell alternative behind the striker where he supposedly did well last week? Potentially not the best return for someone who you dread to think what he's earning. Who'd be in a position to pay his wages in this league though? You’d have to think China/ Saudi leagues are starting to call for Ince now.
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Post by stokest5 on Sept 8, 2020 21:24:04 GMT
I think maybe either wing or behind the striker to change a game off the bench to begin with? It’s a nice option to have talented players coming off the bench who can impact a game and it’s something we’ve been lacking. Not going to be too happy, though, is he? If we go 3-5-2 for, let's say, 50% of games (although who knows and it could be a lot more or a lot less) - and he's just getting the odd cameo off the bench at the 70-minute mark in every 3rd or 4th game, not really what he'll want as a 28 yo. Would he be behind both Campbell and Brown now in a 4-3-3? Is he an option on the left in a 4-3-3 (but again it'd only be off the bench and where would Verlinden fit in 4-6 weeks when he's up to speed, and Tymon?) Is he an option as a Powell alternative behind the striker where he supposedly did well last week? Potentially not the best return for someone who you dread to think what he's earning. Who'd be in a position to pay his wages in this league though? I think Ince will be behind both Brown and Campbell for a place on the right says it all really when RW is neither their first choice positions.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 8, 2020 21:33:54 GMT
Not going to be too happy, though, is he? If we go 3-5-2 for, let's say, 50% of games (although who knows and it could be a lot more or a lot less) - and he's just getting the odd cameo off the bench at the 70-minute mark in every 3rd or 4th game, not really what he'll want as a 28 yo. Would he be behind both Campbell and Brown now in a 4-3-3? Is he an option on the left in a 4-3-3 (but again it'd only be off the bench and where would Verlinden fit in 4-6 weeks when he's up to speed, and Tymon?) Is he an option as a Powell alternative behind the striker where he supposedly did well last week? Potentially not the best return for someone who you dread to think what he's earning. Who'd be in a position to pay his wages in this league though? You’d have to think China/ Saudi leagues are starting to call for Ince now. Dunno. Is he high-profile enough? Maybe it'd have to be a loan to another Champo club - maybe our old pal Gaz Rowett cleaning some more of his mess up (while making only a modest wage contribution?)
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Post by pmjh on Sept 8, 2020 21:36:10 GMT
pmjh said 'Agreed. The sort of young signing who a coach like MON, can improve and mould into his vision of a team.' As a matter of interest which young players do you think he might have improved to date? Others have answered your question for me. Just to add MON has been here for 2/3 of a season in which he had to drag us away from rock bottom. Maybe you need to give him a bit more time.
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Post by bolders on Sept 8, 2020 21:36:40 GMT
Not going to be too happy, though, is he? If we go 3-5-2 for, let's say, 50% of games (although who knows and it could be a lot more or a lot less) - and he's just getting the odd cameo off the bench at the 70-minute mark in every 3rd or 4th game, not really what he'll want as a 28 yo. Would he be behind both Campbell and Brown now in a 4-3-3? Is he an option on the left in a 4-3-3 (but again it'd only be off the bench and where would Verlinden fit in 4-6 weeks when he's up to speed, and Tymon?) Is he an option as a Powell alternative behind the striker where he supposedly did well last week? Potentially not the best return for someone who you dread to think what he's earning. Who'd be in a position to pay his wages in this league though? You’d have to think China/ Saudi leagues are starting to call for Ince now. MLS?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 8, 2020 21:37:26 GMT
A lot of these issues will become clearer after a few weeks of the season as the formation and preferred XI, and subs, start to settle down. The advantage this year is the window does not close until into October, so players have time to see if their faces don't fit anymore and can look for a move several games into the season if they are not getting the game time they want.
I won't be too surprised if two of Ince, Gregory and Afobe leave on loan before the window shuts.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 8, 2020 21:39:07 GMT
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Post by pmjh on Sept 8, 2020 21:41:31 GMT
You’d have to think China/ Saudi leagues are starting to call for Ince now. Dunno. Is he high-profile enough? Maybe it'd have to be a loan to another Champo club - maybe our old pal Gaz Rowett cleaning some more of his mess up (while making only a modest wage contribution?) Perhaps he can make an effort to earn his (allegedly) large wages, in order to force his way back into the team.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 8, 2020 21:42:13 GMT
A lot of these issues will become clearer after a few weeks of the season as the formation and preferred XI, and subs, start to settle down. The advantage this year is the window does not close until into October, so players have time to see if their faces don't fit anymore and can look for a move several games into the season if they are not getting the game time they want. I won't be too surprised if two of Ince, Gregory and Afobe leave on loan before the window shuts. Odd that we as a club have been arguing for years for an earlier close to the transfer window so that the team could be settled by the time the season kicked off. Now (largely because of our grossly overblown squad) we regard the late closure of the window as an advantage!
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Post by a on Sept 8, 2020 21:43:30 GMT
£10m isn’t to be sniffed at
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 8, 2020 21:51:40 GMT
10 million, they are having a laugh. Stoke must stand firm, he signed a new contract last year and when you see players like Watkins going for 33 mill they can piss off. Not good to arm our potential rivals
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 8, 2020 22:01:19 GMT
A lot of these issues will become clearer after a few weeks of the season as the formation and preferred XI, and subs, start to settle down. The advantage this year is the window does not close until into October, so players have time to see if their faces don't fit anymore and can look for a move several games into the season if they are not getting the game time they want. I won't be too surprised if two of Ince, Gregory and Afobe leave on loan before the window shuts. All three for me if at all possible.
They may go on and reignite their respective careers elsewhere much to our annoyance - but the bottom line is that, for whatever reason, they just haven't cracked it here.
That would be far too easy though for Stoke. Obviously, we'll take the offers for Campbell if true.
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2020 22:06:54 GMT
I must admit I've never heard of this fella.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 8, 2020 22:12:02 GMT
10 million, they are having a laugh. Stoke must stand firm, he signed a new contract last year and when you see players like Watkins going for 33 mill they can piss off. Not good to arm our potential rivals Bournemouth can piss off. Why would he join a much smaller club who haven't now got the advantage of being in a higher division?
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2020 22:12:20 GMT
You’d have to think China/ Saudi leagues are starting to call for Ince now. MLS? They couldn't/wouldn't pay his wages They will pay for the occasional superstar
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Post by bloodtypered on Sept 8, 2020 22:18:55 GMT
£10m isn’t to be sniffed at I Would rather have a 10 mill player
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 22:20:47 GMT
Looks like he plays mostly on the right wing, so hopefully he’s not coming in at the expense of Campbell’s playing time. He is only 22 years old I expect MON to carefully manage the playing times of all of his younger players, Campbell, Collins, Souttar, Oakley-Boothe. etc Good for all to be vying for more game time Agree, one of Vokes, Gregory, Ince will probably move on - preferably Ince I agree but I think it should be the youngsters starting and the codgers filling in when they’re jaded, rather than the other way round. They’re certainly more talented. Exciting squad anyway, considering where we were this time last year.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 8, 2020 22:20:57 GMT
They can fuck off as well
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 9, 2020 6:00:02 GMT
...or to add more pace and being more attacking: ..............Davies.............. ....Collins...Batth....Fox....... Brown.........Mikel.........Tymon .......Powell......Clucas......... .............Campell............. .............Fletcher............ Nice problem to have. I like that lineup I just dont see him dropping McClean he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet. I dont disagree with Bayern I'd like Campbell in the team but not sure he can lead the line and he can be a bit lazy but he definately has a tocuh of class where his finishing is concerned. I think MON is building a very decent squad just need to offload Wimmer, NDaiye and Bauer now and we'll be cooking. Lets not forget we also have Allen to come back and Verlinden though I can see Verlinden going out on loan to get his fitness. He certainly can't lead the line,as we all have witnessed.He is more effective from a wide position.
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