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Post by st3mark on Aug 2, 2023 17:04:49 GMT
He's been our teams top scorer in this league so how can he not be good enough to play regularly in this league? Show me someone who can't see Brown's qualities and what he offers and I'll show you someone who doesn't understand the game that's happening infront of them. Jacob Brown's Barmy Army!!! Because we are a shit Championship team? If you like a rancid touch, no physicality and a lot of comical moments then that’s good for you. Watching him genuinely makes me feel sorry for him 🤣 What's to feel sorry about? He plays football regularly at a decent level for a decent club, gets paid plentiful and most of his supporters notice what he offers. He's living the dream! The beauty of signing Brown is we have already had our moneys worth by a long way so if he goes for free at the end of the deal its OK and if he's sold it will likely be at a profit. In terms of quality he needs replacing, I dont dispute that. But like I said earlier if you haven't got his qualities in your team in any of the 4 levels of English football you won't get very far. Hopefully one of the new wingers has those attributes as well as improved quality. Otherwise we need to sign a workhorse.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 2, 2023 17:06:30 GMT
I like Brown but he's nowhere near a PL player is he? With that in mind it can't be anyone other than Luton or Sheffield United you'd think. I know Brentford were looking once upon a time but you'd think that ship has sailed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2023 17:06:58 GMT
Because we are a shit Championship team? If you like a rancid touch, no physicality and a lot of comical moments then that’s good for you. Watching him genuinely makes me feel sorry for him 🤣 What's to feel sorry about? He plays football regularly at a decent level for a decent club, gets paid plentiful and most of his supporters notice what he offers. He's living the dream! The beauty of signing Brown is we have already had our moneys worth by a long way so if he goes for free at the end of the deal its OK and if he's sold it will likely be at a profit. In terms of quality he needs replacing, I dont dispute that. But like I said earlier if you haven't got his qualities in your team in any of the 4 levels of English football you won't get very far. Hopefully one of the new wingers has those attributes as well as improved quality. Otherwise we need to sign a workhorse. I just find how he plays a bit pitiful.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 2, 2023 17:10:04 GMT
What's to feel sorry about? He plays football regularly at a decent level for a decent club, gets paid plentiful and most of his supporters notice what he offers. He's living the dream! The beauty of signing Brown is we have already had our moneys worth by a long way so if he goes for free at the end of the deal its OK and if he's sold it will likely be at a profit. In terms of quality he needs replacing, I dont dispute that. But like I said earlier if you haven't got his qualities in your team in any of the 4 levels of English football you won't get very far. Hopefully one of the new wingers has those attributes as well as improved quality. Otherwise we need to sign a workhorse. I just find how he plays a bit pitiful. I respect your opinion Bayern it's just at the opposite and of the scale to mine. I just know all the successful stoke teams I've seen had industrious players and all of the teams without any have flirted with relegation.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 2, 2023 17:11:19 GMT
Whether you love him, loathe him, or are indifferent. The question is surely:
With money to spend from the transfer kitty, can we improve upon Jacob Brown?
The answer's got to be 'yes' (?)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2023 17:11:35 GMT
I just find how he plays a bit pitiful. I respect your opinion Bayern it's just at the opposite and of the scale to mine. I just know all the successful stoke teams I've seen had industrious players and all of the teams without any have flirted with relegation. You definitely need work rate but I will just never get any joy from watching someone as limited as Brown.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2023 17:14:05 GMT
I heard it's most likely he's going to Millwall, so we won't be getting our money back on him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2023 17:14:48 GMT
I respect your opinion Bayern it's just at the opposite and of the scale to mine. I just know all the successful stoke teams I've seen had industrious players and all of the teams without any have flirted with relegation. You definitely need work rate but I will just never get any joy from watching someone as limited as Brown. Totally agree. I couldn't warm to him because of his lack of the basics, he can't control a football
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Post by daz2631 on Aug 2, 2023 17:15:19 GMT
I think the manager prefers brown for his tracking back and pressure he puts on defenders and keepers I agree about ty best finisher at the club but do question his attitude at times.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 2, 2023 17:20:38 GMT
I think the manager prefers brown for his tracking back and pressure he puts on defenders and keepers I agree about ty best finisher at the club but do question his attitude at times. It would be stupid to let Brown go if we aim to press high next season. It takes energy to effectively do so and Brown would be almost tailor made for it.
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Post by stokecitydom on Aug 2, 2023 17:30:25 GMT
Brown is top quality off the ball. Works hard & always gives 100%.
The problem comes when he has the ball at his feet. Countless times his first touch results in lost possession (something Campbell is guilty of too). His finishing is also very hit and miss. He had a purple patch for a few months 2 seasons ago, but other that that he’s been a pretty average player.
Im not convinced the manager thinks he’s the answer to our goal scoring issues either, so I reckon a half decent bid and he’d be off.
I’d wish him well, but for us to progress we have to aim for better players.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2023 17:42:46 GMT
As long as Tyrese doesn't sign an extension we have to cash in as I see it!
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Post by george2again on Aug 3, 2023 5:35:34 GMT
Brown is top quality off the ball. Works hard & always gives 100%. The problem comes when he has the ball at his feet. Countless times his first touch results in lost possession (something Campbell is guilty of too). His finishing is also very hit and miss. He had a purple patch for a few months 2 seasons ago, but other that that he’s been a pretty average player. Im not convinced the manager thinks he’s the answer to our goal scoring issues either, so I reckon a half decent bid and he’d be off. I’d wish him well, but for us to progress we have to aim for better players. Posted a few weeks ago that I’m bored of Ty and Brown just wanted to see something different. Brown has his pluses but he’s painful to watch when on the offensive. Fed up of waiting for Tye to reach potential and fed up of the lazy persona he has.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 3, 2023 6:01:15 GMT
We should keep Brown, he works hard and there is still some improvement in him. He's never let the club down so for that he deserves some support. Walters was never Premier league standard but his determination often got the players around him working that little bit harder when in the pitch. Brown could be a similar type of player for us.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 3, 2023 6:28:07 GMT
I think the manager prefers brown for his tracking back and pressure he puts on defenders and keepers I agree about ty best finisher at the club but do question his attitude at times. It would be stupid to let Brown go if we aim to press high next season. It takes energy to effectively do so and Brown would be almost tailor made for it. Just having the ability to press isn’t good enough for what we’re aiming for though. If you use him out wide then he’s pressing but he’s not creating anything, just look at the lack of assists he produces. Given that Neil has indicated one of our main problems last season was struggling to break down teams that played in a low block against us it would be daft to continue to play someone who creates nothing out there. There’s a reason we’ve signed several wingers and are linked with more. The other option is to play him down the middle, he’ll score a few goals but he gets bullied by defenders and is terrible at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. His ability to press (work aaarrrrdddd) is just not enough to compensate for the clear deficiencies in his game because technically he’s not a great footballer.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 3, 2023 6:52:31 GMT
It would be stupid to let Brown go if we aim to press high next season. It takes energy to effectively do so and Brown would be almost tailor made for it. Just having the ability to press isn’t good enough for what we’re aiming for though. If you use him out wide then he’s pressing but he’s not creating anything, just look at the lack of assists he produces. Given that Neil has indicated one of our main problems last season was struggling to break down teams that played in a low block against us it would be daft to continue to play someone who creates nothing out there. There’s a reason we’ve signed several wingers and are linked with more. The other option is to play him down the middle, he’ll score a few goals but he gets bullied by defenders and is terrible at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. His ability to press (work aaarrrrdddd) is just not enough to compensate for the clear deficiencies in his game because technically he’s not a great footballer. Usually its one or another. I don't know if such allrounder exists at all who has ability and energy to press high, and create and score goals? I guess there isn't, not in our price class anyway. Brown's work rate and energy is excellent and he ships some goals too. He's not perfect (who is?) but he his still the best we have for this tactic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 3, 2023 6:54:32 GMT
Yet still AN really never showed full faith in him I don’t think?
I’m not convinced he rates him that highly.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 3, 2023 7:24:54 GMT
Yet still AN really never showed full faith in him I don’t think? I’m not convinced he rates him that highly. With better players around him he will either push himself to improve further or just fall further down the pecking order. He's worth keeping just to see if he can take his game up another level, we know he will try 100%. AN being a bit tough on him last season might help drive him. We have had far better players give us a much lower return. I'm sure he will improve but whether it's enough is another thing. He's one of those players I don't mind staying with us just to see how he develops over this season. If he can't improve enough then we should be able to move him on easily enough, Jacob Brown would make most teams in this league better. If the manager doesn't want him and moves him on then he will get a thank you from the fans which hasn't happened to many players in recent years.
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Post by daz2631 on Aug 3, 2023 7:28:44 GMT
Morning all just had a Ipswich fan I met on holiday message me asking what Jacob is like as a player as he has heard they are after him.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 3, 2023 7:29:49 GMT
He can trap a ball further than I can kick it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 7:36:58 GMT
I like Brown and he clearly offers more to the team than a layman’s eye test would reveal. But we have a decent budget to work with so the idea that we can’t replace him with someone who works hard AND is technically proficient is clearly not the case. I get the arguments that workhorses are good for reasons beyond their ability on the pitch (you need guys setting standards in training) but, to be blunt, we can do better. People compare him to Jon Walters and say he’s a championship version, but that comparison greatly flatters Brown.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 3, 2023 7:59:12 GMT
Can anyone honestly write anything positive about him without concluding with a 'but' 🤣
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2023 8:03:25 GMT
Morning all just had a Ipswich fan I met on holiday message me asking what Jacob is like as a player as he has heard they are after him. 100% effort, world beating skills, £6m would tempt us to sell
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 3, 2023 8:26:36 GMT
Just having the ability to press isn’t good enough for what we’re aiming for though. If you use him out wide then he’s pressing but he’s not creating anything, just look at the lack of assists he produces. Given that Neil has indicated one of our main problems last season was struggling to break down teams that played in a low block against us it would be daft to continue to play someone who creates nothing out there. There’s a reason we’ve signed several wingers and are linked with more. The other option is to play him down the middle, he’ll score a few goals but he gets bullied by defenders and is terrible at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. His ability to press (work aaarrrrdddd) is just not enough to compensate for the clear deficiencies in his game because technically he’s not a great footballer. Usually its one or another. I don't know if such allrounder exists at all who has ability and energy to press high, and create and score goals? I guess there isn't, not in our price class anyway. Brown's work rate and energy is excellent and he ships some goals too. He's not perfect (who is?) but he his still the best we have for this tactic. Hopefully the wingers we’ve signed have the ability to press and create and score goals. Being able to run and press hard isn’t a difficult attribute to obtain, it’s a matter of fitness and it speaks volumes about some of the players we’ve had at the club in recent seasons that Brown has stood out in terms of his work rate.
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Post by greystokie on Aug 3, 2023 8:27:44 GMT
Our biggest problem, when playing at home, was an inability to overcome teams that were determined to sit back and defend. I've seen more than enough of Brown to judge that he was a big part of that problem. If we are hoping to win more games at the Bet365 then we need a player(s) with a different skill set.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 3, 2023 8:29:10 GMT
Morning all just had a Ipswich fan I met on holiday message me asking what Jacob is like as a player as he has heard they are after him. 100% effort, world beating skills, £6m would tempt us to sell I hear there's Saudi interest too, get your bid in before it's too late!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 3, 2023 8:36:31 GMT
I've not been Jacob's biggest fan, but I'd keep him. He is so versatile which is very important, and he works his socks off in every game. He is not the most gifted player on the ball, but he must be a nightmare to play against as he gives it all in every situation. He can play up front, not very good at keeping the ball up though, and on both wings, even at right back if we're desperate and not many players can fill so many positions. I've said it before, I think selling Tyrese will be the right thing to do as long as he doesn't sign an extension, and a bid around £5M would make this an OK deal as I see it now.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 3, 2023 8:56:54 GMT
I've not been Jacob's biggest fan, but I'd keep him. He is so versatile which is very important, and he works his socks off in every game. He is not the most gifted player on the ball, but he must be a nightmare to play against as he gives it all in every situation. He can play up front, not very good at keeping the ball up though, and on both wings, even at right back if we're desperate and not many players can fill so many positions. I've said it before, I think selling Tyrese will be the right thing to do as long as he doesn't sign an extension, and a bid around £5M would make this an OK deal as I see it now. I’ve got to question this supposed ‘versatility’. He’s done a job out wide because we’ve had no one else, but he doesn’t create much at all. Chance creation has been one of the main reasons we’ve been so shit in recent seasons. You’ve already said as a central striker he can’t hold the ball up, but on top of that he gets bullied by defenders and his link up play is practically non-existent. He does score some instinctive goals but not enough to make up for the rest of the stuff he does badly. He was a complete disaster at RWB/RB because he simply can’t defend properly. I really don’t understand the number of supporters that are prepared to accept glaring deficiencies in pretty much any position he plays just because he can run around a lot.
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Post by greystokie on Aug 3, 2023 9:12:09 GMT
I've not been Jacob's biggest fan, but I'd keep him. He is so versatile which is very important, and he works his socks off in every game. He is not the most gifted player on the ball, but he must be a nightmare to play against as he gives it all in every situation. He can play up front, not very good at keeping the ball up though, and on both wings, even at right back if we're desperate and not many players can fill so many positions. I've said it before, I think selling Tyrese will be the right thing to do as long as he doesn't sign an extension, and a bid around £5M would make this an OK deal as I see it now. unfortunately, that versatility hasn't contributed to us winning many games,though. He was slotted into all those roles because of the paucity of the squad but it really is difficult to say that he excelled in any of them.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 3, 2023 10:34:40 GMT
Still he gets into double figures if he gets 40+ games.
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