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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 17:33:29 GMT
As she retweeted it over 24 hours ago and pretty much no one but the 'EE gang' have raised an eyebrow, I'm guessing nothing is going to happen. This was an interesting tweet from her feed. If you're still maintain the driver was white, you're probably a bit dim with unsavoury views. Also the Met are condemning the usual suspects on this thread and rightly so Excuse my ignorance but whos Matthew Ryder? I think until and if ever BWV is released I’m going to hold my judgement. For what it’s worth I still don’t believe she dealt with the situation well or professionally at all for someone in her position. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. He's a QC giving his opinion same as anyone else so digging him up is a bit desperate. The MET have condemned the online abuse,of course they have and would do the same with anyone, right or wrong. Strange how some ignore the Chief Commissioner's comments re his viewing of the actual tape but dig stuff upon Twitter.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2020 17:47:43 GMT
Excuse my ignorance but whos Matthew Ryder? I think until and if ever BWV is released I’m going to hold my judgement. For what it’s worth I still don’t believe she dealt with the situation well or professionally at all for someone in her position. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. He's a QC giving his opinion same as anyone else so digging him up is a bit desperate. The MET have condemned the online abuse,of course they have and would do the same with anyone, right or wrong. Strange how some ignore the Chief Commissioner's comments re his viewing of the actual tape but dig stuff upon Twitter. It was 'dug up' from the same twitter feed that some character 'dug' something else up an hour ago, in a laughable and failed attempt to generate more outrage.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 17:51:46 GMT
As she retweeted it over 24 hours ago and pretty much no one but the 'EE gang' have raised an eyebrow, I'm guessing nothing is going to happen. This was an interesting tweet from her feed. If you're still maintain the driver was white, you're probably a bit dim with unsavoury views. Also the Met are condemning the usual suspects on this thread and rightly so Excuse my ignorance but whos Matthew Ryder? I think until and if ever BWV is released I’m going to hold my judgement. For what it’s worth I still don’t believe she dealt with the situation well or professionally at all for someone in her position. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. Holding your judgement is fair enough and what everyone should be doing until such time as evidence emerges that she's made it all up, or lied about the circumstances or some other such misdoing... ...at least you've not advocated slapping, tasering or resorted to calling her names! One can only wonder what prompts some people to go down that route before the full facts have emerged?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 18:07:59 GMT
Excuse my ignorance but whos Matthew Ryder? I think until and if ever BWV is released I’m going to hold my judgement. For what it’s worth I still don’t believe she dealt with the situation well or professionally at all for someone in her position. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. Holding your judgement is fair enough and what everyone should be doing until such time as evidence emerges that she's made it all up, or lied about the circumstances or some other such misdoing......at least you've not advocated slapping, tasering or resorted to calling her names! One can only wonder what prompts some people to go down that route before the full facts have emerged? To be fair she misled people and didn't exactly give the police a chance before calling them racist rather than give them the benefit.Hardly helps with what happened on her own doorstep hours before and the difficulties they have doing their job
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 18:11:20 GMT
Holding your judgement is fair enough and what everyone should be doing until such time as evidence emerges that she's made it all up, or lied about the circumstances or some other such misdoing......at least you've not advocated slapping, tasering or resorted to calling her names! One can only wonder what prompts some people to go down that route before the full facts have emerged? To be fair she misled people and didn't exactly give the police a chance before calling them racist rather than give them the benefit.Hardly helps with what happened on her own doorstep hours before and the difficulties they have doing their job Spot on
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 18:13:12 GMT
Holding your judgement is fair enough and what everyone should be doing until such time as evidence emerges that she's made it all up, or lied about the circumstances or some other such misdoing......at least you've not advocated slapping, tasering or resorted to calling her names! One can only wonder what prompts some people to go down that route before the full facts have emerged? To be fair she misled people and didn't exactly give the police a chance before calling them racist rather than give them the benefit.Hardly helps with what happened on her own doorstep hours before and the difficulties they have doing their job OK, you may be right, how did she mislead people? None of which justifies many of the responses on here from the usual right-wing pitchfork and flaming torches mob, which included violence and abuse. Plus, the police apologised for the stop. I'll freely admit this is speculation on my part but maybe she and her black friends are as fed up of being stopped by the police as Danny Rose is every time he goes home to Doncaster, as he said just the other day. I guess it's just a coincidence.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 18:27:56 GMT
To be fair she misled people and didn't exactly give the police a chance before calling them racist rather than give them the benefit.Hardly helps with what happened on her own doorstep hours before and the difficulties they have doing their job OK, you may be right, how did she mislead people? None of which justifies many of the responses on here from the usual right-wing pitchfork and flaming torches mob, which included violence and abuse. Plus, the police apologised for the stop. I'll freely admit this is speculation on my part but maybe she and her black friends are as fed up of being stopped by the police as Danny Rose is every time he goes home to Doncaster, as he said just the other day. I guess it's just a coincidence. She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 18:34:07 GMT
OK, you may be right, how did she mislead people? None of which justifies many of the responses on here from the usual right-wing pitchfork and flaming torches mob, which included violence and abuse. Plus, the police apologised for the stop. I'll freely admit this is speculation on my part but maybe she and her black friends are as fed up of being stopped by the police as Danny Rose is every time he goes home to Doncaster, as he said just the other day. I guess it's just a coincidence. She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. Do we know that she deliberately misled people about that? Isn't it her opinion that the stop was racially motivated (perhaps based on previous personal experience or that of her friends) and that she is entitled to that opinion if that's what she thinks? She's also allowed to film it and post it online if she wants to. How do we know that the stop wasn't racially motivated? Are you coming to that conclusion because the police have said it was due to mis-entering the vehicle registration? In which case, it's their word against Butler's. Nothing at all has actually been proven one way or the other as far as I can see, but happy to see evidence otherwise if it exists. Seems a bit strange that the only people to apologise so far are the police. Maybe the bodycam footage will emerge and she'll be the one doing the apologising in due course, we'll see. But so far some folk have made up their minds and waded in pretty heavily and unpleasantly based on she said/they said. I wonder why?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 18:39:04 GMT
She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. Do we know that she deliberately misled people about that? Isn't it her opinion that the stop was racially motivated (perhaps based on previous personal experience or that of her friends) and that she is entitled to that opinion if that's what she thinks? She's also allowed to film it and post it online if she wants to. How do we know that the stop wasn't racially motivated? Are you coming to that conclusion because the police have said it was due to mis-entering the vehicle registration? In which case, it's their word against Butler's. Nothing at all has actually been proven one way or the other as far as I can see, but happy to see evidence otherwise if it exists. Yet some folk have made up their minds and waded in pretty heavily and unpleasantly based on she said/they said. I wonder why? She jumped to conclusions straight away and posted it on social media. That is deliberately misleading people and attempting to tarnish somebody’s reputation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 18:40:01 GMT
To be fair she misled people and didn't exactly give the police a chance before calling them racist rather than give them the benefit.Hardly helps with what happened on her own doorstep hours before and the difficulties they have doing their job OK, you may be right, how did she mislead people? None of which justifies many of the responses on here from the usual right-wing pitchfork and flaming torches mob, which included violence and abuse. Plus, the police apologised for the stop. I'll freely admit this is speculation on my part but maybe she and her black friends are as fed up of being stopped by the police as Danny Rose is every time he goes home to Doncaster, as he said just the other day. I guess it's just a coincidence. She has never mentioned ever being stopped previously....as for Danny Rose EVERY TIME he goes home, he simply doesn't that's you making up a stat. Of course the police apologised, they apologised to me last week as thought I wasn't insured. What's your point ? Why should she have a problem with being stopped ? She's in am area 2/3 black, what are the odds of stopping a black person there and she claims to be all for extra policing to prevent crime, the likes of which we saw hours before? Instead she turns it into a race issue.If being stopped for a minute or two was to prevent one crime then surely she should be all for it
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2020 18:45:51 GMT
OK, you may be right, how did she mislead people? None of which justifies many of the responses on here from the usual right-wing pitchfork and flaming torches mob, which included violence and abuse. Plus, the police apologised for the stop. I'll freely admit this is speculation on my part but maybe she and her black friends are as fed up of being stopped by the police as Danny Rose is every time he goes home to Doncaster, as he said just the other day. I guess it's just a coincidence. She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 18:53:02 GMT
She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her. Bang on Cobham, you read my mind. I only have a couple of black mates but they’re of the same opinion, sick and tired of this divisive culture.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 18:56:47 GMT
She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her.Absolutely, especially as was hours after the latest incident . The police can't win with the likes of her about
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:01:30 GMT
Do we know that she deliberately misled people about that? Isn't it her opinion that the stop was racially motivated (perhaps based on previous personal experience or that of her friends) and that she is entitled to that opinion if that's what she thinks? She's also allowed to film it and post it online if she wants to. How do we know that the stop wasn't racially motivated? Are you coming to that conclusion because the police have said it was due to mis-entering the vehicle registration? In which case, it's their word against Butler's. Nothing at all has actually been proven one way or the other as far as I can see, but happy to see evidence otherwise if it exists. Yet some folk have made up their minds and waded in pretty heavily and unpleasantly based on she said/they said. I wonder why? She jumped to conclusions straight away and posted it on social media. That is deliberately misleading people and attempting to tarnish somebody’s reputation. No, she posted her video of the stop and her opinion that it was racially motivated. That's her opinion. It's your opinion that it was done to deliberately mislead. Also pertinent that, to date, the only side to have apologised is the police.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 19:03:04 GMT
She jumped to conclusions straight away and posted it on social media. That is deliberately misleading people and attempting to tarnish somebody’s reputation. No, she posted her video of the stop and her opinion that it was racially motivated. That's her opinion. It's your opinion that it was done to deliberately mislead. Also pertinent that, to date, the only side to have apologised is the police. Well I wouldn’t expect Butler to apologise, she’s an MP don’t you know🙄
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:04:36 GMT
She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her. I'm sure you're right that there are many people who don't want to make progress on racial issues, but I'm not sure it's those by and large on the receiving end who would wish to perpetuate things. Thankfully, things over here have never been as bad as in the US, but I also can't believe those campaigning for discrimination to end over there were just shit-stirring! Although, I'd put money on that same argument having been made over there too in the 50s and 60s.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:05:27 GMT
No, she posted her video of the stop and her opinion that it was racially motivated. That's her opinion. It's your opinion that it was done to deliberately mislead. Also pertinent that, to date, the only side to have apologised is the police. Well I wouldn’t expect Butler to apologise, she’s an MP don’t you know🙄 Sturgeon apologised yesterday. Unless being an MSP makes all the difference.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 19:08:10 GMT
Well I wouldn’t expect Butler to apologise, she’s an MP don’t you know🙄 Sturgeon apologised yesterday. Unless being an MSP makes all the difference. It was a reference to her attitude when stopped, surely even you can see that?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:10:13 GMT
Sturgeon apologised yesterday. Unless being an MSP makes all the difference. It was a reference to her attitude when stopped, surely even you can see that? Do you often apologise when you've done nothing wrong?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2020 19:11:02 GMT
She misled people by claiming the stop was racially motivated, filming it and putting it all over social media. It’s pretty simple really. What we know so far is that the stop wasn’t racially motivated. She should apologise for inciting racial tensions. I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her. By someone you glibly refer to as 'the athlete'. You mean the lady who was hand cuffed and received a full apology from the Met after an incident they have referred themselves to the IOPC over? An incident that revealed hand cuffing had increased by 500% in the past 3 years in London and that 35% of all persons handcuffed are black? The lady whose was entirely innocent and whose baby son witnessed the entire over the top incident? That 'athlete'?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 19:11:43 GMT
It was a reference to her attitude when stopped, surely even you can see that? Do you often apologise when you've done nothing wrong? Yes I’m constantly apologising to my Mrs to keep the peace. Everybody does that don’t they?🤣
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 19:12:52 GMT
It was a reference to her attitude when stopped, surely even you can see that? Do you often apologise when you've done nothing wrong? calling a policeman racist is nothing wrong strange world you live in
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 19:13:16 GMT
Do you often apologise when you've done nothing wrong? Yes I’m constantly apologising to my Mrs to keep the peace. Everybody does that don’t they?🤣 Joking aside, I meant she made it very clear she was a member of Parliament which in her opinion made the matter far more important.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2020 19:14:01 GMT
I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her. I'm sure you're right that there are many people who don't want to make progress on racial issues, but I'm not sure it's those by and large on the receiving end who would wish to perpetuate things. Thankfully, things over here have never been as bad as in the US, but I also can't believe those campaigning for discrimination to end over there were just shit-stirring! Now I’m not saying I don’t care about the states but my priority is the U.K. Our Police aren’t anything like the ones in the States. Look at all the black on black murders in the last month in London if the Police are scared of stopping black people because they’re fearful of getting videoed and put on national TV more blood will be spilt. The Met need to be allowed to do their job and if saving a number of black lives at the cost of upsetting a few people then it’s a cheap price to pay or at least that’s how it should be but at the moment it isn’t.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:17:04 GMT
Yes I’m constantly apologising to my Mrs to keep the peace. Everybody does that don’t they?🤣 Joking aside, I meant she made it very clear she was a member of Parliament which in her opinion made the matter far more important. She was asked, wasn't she? And again, you've assigned your opinion to her actions.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 19:23:24 GMT
Joking aside, I meant she made it very clear she was a member of Parliament which in her opinion made the matter far more important. She was asked, wasn't she? And again, you've assigned your opinion to her actions. I’m not sure what you mean by that last bit sorry?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2020 19:23:59 GMT
I think the old fashioned phrase is “shit stirring.” There’s certain people in this country that will never be happy for a unity between black and white to ever happen. They make any sort of postive work / education impossible by drilling up Derisery hatred. God knows what they’d do if there was good progress made. There’s times when you think the last thing they want is racially harmony. I’m sure that’s what the majority on here want including me. I know a lot of black people that I work with that are embarrassed by the recent behaviour of Butler, Sasha and the athlete. Decent people who just want to get on with life. Maybe she needs to look at the awful losses of Young black lives on the streets of London rather than making it all about her. By someone you glibly refer to as 'the athlete'. You mean the lady who was hand cuffed and received a full apology from the Met after an incident they have referred themselves to the IOPC over? An incident that revealed hand cuffing had increased by 500% in the past 3 years in London and that 35% of all persons handcuffed are black? The lady whose was entirely innocent and whose baby son witnessed the entire over the top incident? That 'athlete'? That’s the one yes. Again I don’t think both sides have been heard yet but I think you’ll find that a lot of the Met Police weren’t happy with the “apology.” I think what you will find is that the apology was made because she was upset not because of the way the officers dealt with the incident.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:25:27 GMT
I'm sure you're right that there are many people who don't want to make progress on racial issues, but I'm not sure it's those by and large on the receiving end who would wish to perpetuate things. Thankfully, things over here have never been as bad as in the US, but I also can't believe those campaigning for discrimination to end over there were just shit-stirring! Now I’m not saying I don’t care about the states but my priority is the U.K. Our Police aren’t anything like the ones in the States. Look at all the black on black murders in the last month in London if the Police are scared of stopping black people because they’re fearful of getting videoed and put on national TV more blood will be spilt. The Met need to be allowed to do their job and if saving a number of black lives at the cost of upsetting a few people then it’s a cheap price to pay or at least that’s how it should be but at the moment it isn’t. The point about the states is that those people campaigning for equal rights in the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s were also labelled agitators (shit-stirrers if you want to call them that) and many white people just wished they'd shut up and put up. From the responses on here I'm seeing the same sentiments. Absolutely right about saving lives. And if the police are doing their job correctly without prejudice they have nothing to fear about being filmed, regardless of what is alleged. In this case they have apologised, not the MP, so until some further evidence emerges to discredit what Butler said and back up the Police version, that's the way it is and everything else is just opinion.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2020 19:28:00 GMT
She was asked, wasn't she? And again, you've assigned your opinion to her actions. I’m not sure what you mean by that last bit sorry? If I understand the video footage, she is asked a question to which she replies I'm a member of parliament. Your response was that she considers that makes it more important. You can't know that. You have decided that's the case. Again, it's just your opinion.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2020 19:35:20 GMT
Now I’m not saying I don’t care about the states but my priority is the U.K. Our Police aren’t anything like the ones in the States. Look at all the black on black murders in the last month in London if the Police are scared of stopping black people because they’re fearful of getting videoed and put on national TV more blood will be spilt. The Met need to be allowed to do their job and if saving a number of black lives at the cost of upsetting a few people then it’s a cheap price to pay or at least that’s how it should be but at the moment it isn’t. The point about the states is that those people campaigning for equal rights in the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s were also labelled agitators (shit-stirrers if you want to call them that) and many white people just wished they'd shut up and put up. From the responses on here I'm seeing the same sentiments. Absolutely right about saving lives. And if the police are doing their job correctly without prejudice they have nothing to fear about being filmed, regardless of what is alleged. In this case they have apologised, not the MP, so until some further evidence emerges to discredit what Butler said and back up the Police version, that's the way it is and everything else is just opinion. I’m not sure what you do but I have to say that if I was working or going by my daily business and someone started filming me I wouldn’t be too happy. Let’s not think that people do this to protect themselves from getting a beating they do it to intimidate and goad and get themselves on YouTube. I’m not sure if you remember but there was a guy filming after the stabbings in Reading what do you think were his justifications for doing that?
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