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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 17:13:54 GMT
Big fan of the Yorkshire Ripper are you pal? Or got fuck all of any value to say as usual? The latter I think fella Although I have to say I do agree with metalhead about you undermining what was a good and very valid point with an unnecessarily aggressive dig at old bill Come off it, you silly bollocks You think it's a coincidence that the most boring, droning, dull posters on here are former dibble?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 18, 2020 17:16:49 GMT
My youngest used to get searched regularly in East Anglia, usually on his way back from one of his mate's houses lateish at night, they always told him it was because of a burglary in the area but never questioned him about the laptop and/or tablet in his bag. There are/were "hot spot" areas and they do get targeted and burglars usually operate at night so I kind of understand that sinario at the end of the day he'd done nowt wrong so he was in his way after a short delay no harm done. Could be, it went on over a couple of years and became quite tedious for him, have to say there were never that many reports of a lot of burglaries in the village that we heard, that's not to say they weren't happening of course. We all just put it down to a couple of PCSO's being bored and hoping to find something interesting on an easy target.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 18, 2020 17:20:26 GMT
'why do the pigs talk to you like they've apprehended a sex criminal/jewel thief whenever they do stop you?'..... I was stopped a few days ago and like the one in the video were actually really decent and apologised for stopping me.I can't speak for every other police stop.In an area where there was a violent crime hours before I'd have thought a local MP would be all for them trying to do a tough job. Mmmmm...wonder why they do talk that way. Maybe they just react to what they encounter. I’ve only ever found them to be polite, respectful and courteous, but then that’s how I’ve been with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 17:23:56 GMT
'why do the pigs talk to you like they've apprehended a sex criminal/jewel thief whenever they do stop you?'..... I was stopped a few days ago and like the one in the video were actually really decent and apologised for stopping me.I can't speak for every other police stop.In an area where there was a violent crime hours before I'd have thought a local MP would be all for them trying to do a tough job. Mmmmm...wonder why they do talk that way. Maybe they just react to what they encounter. I’ve only ever found them to be polite, respectful and courteous, but then that’s how I’ve been with them. For sure. was on my way in no time. Didn't feel the need to video them or accuse them of anything. Two minutes didn't kill me and even had a quick, friendly chat as they were doing their thing.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 17:34:52 GMT
The latter I think fella Although I have to say I do agree with metalhead about you undermining what was a good and very valid point with an unnecessarily aggressive dig at old bill Come off it, you silly bollocks You think it's a coincidence that the most boring, droning, dull posters on here are former dibble? I think the police force of old was certainly full of far too many trenchant, power hungry white men, and that's part of the reason we are where we are. Various forces, especially the Met, has made some really positive moves in the last few years to be more representative of the communities they are there to serve. With more and more people actually from BAME communities working in the police, there will hopefully be greater and more effective insight into how to work well with those communities. Greater certainly than for example that dirge of Franklin's about stop and search being no more than a "minor annoyance" to people or whatever it was Trust levels in the police within BAME communities may also go up, which would only be a good thing
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Post by metalhead on Aug 18, 2020 17:56:54 GMT
As soon as you call the plod 'pigs', you somewhat lose the argument. Put your arguments across without resorting to personal insults. I agree, some police are particularly unpleasant and condescending and drunk with power. However the two I refer to from my stop regarding the phone, were polite enough. What about calling them the plod? Plod is harmless really. It's almost a term of affection and not meant to be taken the wrong way really. Surely police know that? Calling them pigs is just low brow chavvy behaviour.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 18, 2020 18:13:12 GMT
I still see lots of white people who get stopped about as often as Halley's Comet comes around telling black people, for whom its a regular occurrence, to just suck it up. Yeah and......😂😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2020 18:19:36 GMT
What about calling them the plod? Plod is harmless really. It's almost a term of affection and not meant to be taken the wrong way really. Surely police know that? Calling them pigs is just low brow chavvy behaviour. The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism
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Post by mattyd2 on Aug 18, 2020 18:24:23 GMT
Plod is harmless really. It's almost a term of affection and not meant to be taken the wrong way really. Surely police know that? Calling them pigs is just low brow chavvy behaviour. The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism Big pal of mine is a retired policeman. He and his colleagues were not bothered about being pigs...far from it in fact. Pride Integrity. Guts.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2020 18:32:04 GMT
The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism Big pal of mine is a retired policeman. He and his colleagues were not bothered about being pigs...far from it in fact. Pride Integrity. Guts. That’s interesting and a good response to the idiots who name them pigs as a derogatory statement
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 18:37:43 GMT
Plod is harmless really. It's almost a term of affection and not meant to be taken the wrong way really. Surely police know that? Calling them pigs is just low brow chavvy behaviour. The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism Fuck me I've heard it all now
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 18:46:32 GMT
Plod is harmless really. It's almost a term of affection and not meant to be taken the wrong way really. Surely police know that? Calling them pigs is just low brow chavvy behaviour. The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism It quite clearly isn't as bad as racism mate. I think deano overstepped the mark there but it's far from as bad as racism
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2020 18:48:35 GMT
The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism It quite clearly isn't as bad as racism mate. I think deano overstepped the mark there but it's far from as bad as racism Why?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 18:51:05 GMT
The term pigs is beyond low brow chav behaviour, it’s just as bad as racism It quite clearly isn't as bad as racism mate. I think deano overstepped the mark there but it's far from as bad as racism Piss off. Overstepped the mark? Fascist shithouse.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 18, 2020 18:59:05 GMT
Has any one given thought to wether pigs wish to be associated with the local constabulary
#pigshavefeelings
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Post by franklin on Aug 18, 2020 19:01:55 GMT
There are/were "hot spot" areas and they do get targeted and burglars usually operate at night so I kind of understand that sinario at the end of the day he'd done nowt wrong so he was in his way after a short delay no harm done. Could be, it went on over a couple of years and became quite tedious for him, have to say there were never that many reports of a lot of burglaries in the village that we heard, that's not to say they weren't happening of course. We all just put it down to a couple of PCSO's being bored and hoping to find something interesting on an easy target. Could be mate also if he was in a high student area they are notoriously vulnerable to burglaries and that could be a reason for the stop at night, a lone male late at night etc. I know in those kind of areas if there were a spike they would literally stop everything that moved. As you know mate I've told you there good and bad in every job.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 18, 2020 19:13:51 GMT
Could be, it went on over a couple of years and became quite tedious for him, have to say there were never that many reports of a lot of burglaries in the village that we heard, that's not to say they weren't happening of course. We all just put it down to a couple of PCSO's being bored and hoping to find something interesting on an easy target. Could be mate also if he was in a high student area they are notoriously vulnerable to burglaries and that could be a reason for the stop at night, a lone male late at night etc. I know in those kind of areas if there were a spike they would literally stop everything that moved. As you know mate I've told you there good and bad in every job. When in my second year at Manchester University I moved into a terraced house with 2 friends on the border of Moss Side and Chorlton-cum-Hardy. First day we unloaded our things and then went to the nearest pub, exploring the area. Must have been early evening because pub opening times were stricter on those days. Only been away about an hour/ hour and a half....everything had gone when we got back.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 19:23:38 GMT
It quite clearly isn't as bad as racism mate. I think deano overstepped the mark there but it's far from as bad as racism Why? Well it's fundamentally different legally, is clearly defined as such, and carries far greater sentences than calling a police officer a "pig". Morally it's dynamically different. Racism is a form of oppression. It is used as a form of discrimination to keep others suppressed, disadvantaged and disempowered. The police are not particularly suppressed, disadvantaged or disempowered. In fact everywhere on earth, police forces wield far more power than most people - including the people who call them names. Calling the police "pigs" is not generally about suppressing people or disempowering them. It's generally an angry lashing out AT more powerful people BY disempowered people. Even with all that power, you can still see how thin skinned and power hungry certain police and ex-police are. For example, how Franklin agreed with your post saying that insulting the police is as bad as racism. This is in spite of him having been taught all of the above in his basic training. Which he presumably fundamentally disagreed with.
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Post by mattyd2 on Aug 18, 2020 19:25:52 GMT
Has any one given thought to wether pigs wish to be associated with the local constabulary #pigshavefeelings Pork lives matter. I cant breathe...my snout is in the trough.
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Post by Kpsje on Aug 18, 2020 19:27:20 GMT
nout wrong with the term ‘plod’ or ‘pc plod’. enid blyton’s fictional character ‘pc plod’ came across well in her noddy books.
pig on the other hand is not very nice. my ex wife got called fat pig loads of times at school, it gave her a complex about her appearance.
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Post by franklin on Aug 18, 2020 19:31:21 GMT
nout wrong with the terms ‘plod’ or ‘pc plod’. enid blyton’s fictional character ‘pc plod’ came across well in her noddy books. pig on the other hand is not very nice. my ex wife got called fat pig loads of times at school. it gave her a complex about her appearance. Your confusing these people with reasonable human beings or in this case being. They/ him seem to take pleasure and some weird self esteem from their abuse and stalker like provocation on here.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2020 19:33:43 GMT
Well it's fundamentally different legally, is clearly defined as such, and carries far greater sentences than calling a police officer a "pig". Morally it's dynamically different. Racism is a form of oppression. It is used as a form of discrimination to keep others suppressed, disadvantaged and disempowered. The police are not particularly suppressed, disadvantaged or disempowered. In fact everywhere on earth, police forces wield far more power than most people - including the people who call them names. Calling the police "pigs" is not generally about suppressing people or disempowering them. It's generally an angry lashing out AT more powerful people BY disempowered people. Even with all that power, you can still see how thin skinned and power hungry certain police and ex-police are. For example, how Franklin agreed with your post saying that insulting the police is as bad as racism. This is in spite of him having been taught all of the above in his basic training. Which he presumably fundamentally disagreed with. Oh I see, thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I didn’t realise the police weren’t human beings.
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Post by franklin on Aug 18, 2020 19:35:39 GMT
Well it's fundamentally different legally, is clearly defined as such, and carries far greater sentences than calling a police officer a "pig". Morally it's dynamically different. Racism is a form of oppression. It is used as a form of discrimination to keep others suppressed, disadvantaged and disempowered. The police are not particularly suppressed, disadvantaged or disempowered. In fact everywhere on earth, police forces wield far more power than most people - including the people who call them names. Calling the police "pigs" is not generally about suppressing people or disempowering them. It's generally an angry lashing out AT more powerful people BY disempowered people. Even with all that power, you can still see how thin skinned and power hungry certain police and ex-police are. For example, how Franklin agreed with your post saying that insulting the police is as bad as racism. This is in spite of him having been taught all of the above in his basic training. Which he presumably fundamentally disagreed with. Oh I see, thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I didn’t realise the police weren’t human beings. Take no notice mate he's obsessed both in public and in private like a clingy child seeking my attention.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 19:42:56 GMT
nout wrong with the terms ‘plod’ or ‘pc plod’. enid blyton’s fictional character ‘pc plod’ came across well in her noddy books. pig on the other hand is not very nice. my ex wife got called fat pig loads of times at school. it gave her a complex about her appearance. Your confusing these people with reasonable human beings or in this case being. They/ him seem to take pleasure and some weird self esteem from their abuse and stalker like provocation on here. Again mate, there is nothing provocative or stalker like about calmly pointing out things like the fact you are factually wrong about "pigs" being as bad as racism (you should know, as an ex-officer, that the two things are entirely different.) Certainly it's no more provocative or stalker like than, say, when I get accused of being the same poster as fuck knows how many other accounts to unsuccessfully strawman my argument on more or less every thread I go on. Including this one, by you just now. What is actually going on here is that you get incredibly cross when exposed to opinions different to your own. Man up or maybe find a board where everyone agrees with you 🤷♂️
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 19:43:38 GMT
Well it's fundamentally different legally, is clearly defined as such, and carries far greater sentences than calling a police officer a "pig". Morally it's dynamically different. Racism is a form of oppression. It is used as a form of discrimination to keep others suppressed, disadvantaged and disempowered. The police are not particularly suppressed, disadvantaged or disempowered. In fact everywhere on earth, police forces wield far more power than most people - including the people who call them names. Calling the police "pigs" is not generally about suppressing people or disempowering them. It's generally an angry lashing out AT more powerful people BY disempowered people. Even with all that power, you can still see how thin skinned and power hungry certain police and ex-police are. For example, how Franklin agreed with your post saying that insulting the police is as bad as racism. This is in spite of him having been taught all of the above in his basic training. Which he presumably fundamentally disagreed with. Oh I see, thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I didn’t realise the police weren’t human beings. Nor did I
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 18, 2020 19:45:57 GMT
Oh I see, thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I didn’t realise the police weren’t human beings. Take no notice mate he's obsessed both in public and in private like a clingy child seeking my attention. Imagine having to deal with scum like this whilst carrying out your job protecting innocent people from habitual drunk drivers:
From the Sentinel: Simon Cliff, aged 55, has finally been sentenced for offence he committed in 2017
An alcoholic who admitted drinking half a bottle of vodka before driving fled to Thailand rather than ‘face the music’ in court.
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 19:47:28 GMT
Oh I see, thanks for taking the time to clear that up. I didn’t realise the police weren’t human beings. Take no notice mate he's obsessed both in public and in private like a clingy child seeking my attention. What an incredibly narcissistic response to a post that was around 75% not even about you
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 19:50:13 GMT
Take no notice mate he's obsessed both in public and in private like a clingy child seeking my attention. Imagine having to deal with scum like this whilst carrying out your job protecting innocent people from habitual drunk drivers:
From the Sentinel: Simon Cliff, aged 55, has finally been sentenced for offence he committed in 2017
An alcoholic who admitted drinking half a bottle of vodka before driving fled to Thailand rather than ‘face the music’ in court.
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
Talking to yourself again fella?
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Post by franklin on Aug 18, 2020 19:59:42 GMT
OK VW for one time only let's take a look how many times you've named me, quoted me (just in this thread alone) despite me never ever engaging you on any forum, no reply ever. And then you resort to pms to provoke you're clearly obsessed. Your an anonymous stalker who despite being told in reply to your childish pm I'll never reply still follow me around the board its laughable so here's me in public im not interested in ever talking to you, quoting you, engaging with you in any way. So fill your boots and crack on poking.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 18, 2020 20:43:57 GMT
OK VW for one time only let's take a look how many times you've named me, quoted me (just in this thread alone) despite me never ever engaging you on any forum, no reply ever. And then you resort to pms to provoke you're clearly obsessed. Your an anonymous stalker who despite being told in reply to your childish pm I'll never reply still follow me around the board its laughable so here's me in public im not interested in ever talking to you, quoting you, engaging with you in any way. So fill your boots and crack on poking. You've replied and engaged me plenty of times on here mate. Don't lie. It's not my fault you got tired of having your arse handed to you every time
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