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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 24, 2020 20:28:19 GMT
Norwich Wolves Villa West Brom Cardiff Swansea
Some of them a couple of times?
All bouncing back to the prem...hope it happens soon
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2020 20:29:10 GMT
We've never been a yo yo club
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Post by neddy on Jul 24, 2020 20:30:09 GMT
I think it’s easier when clubs go down if they’ve bounced a few times....we had been there 10 years and I think that is harder to overcome in honesty.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 24, 2020 20:32:12 GMT
We've never been a yo yo club No...but hopefully at least the play offs next season Dont know how these clubs havent had the problems stoke have had...theyve spent money too |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2020 20:51:32 GMT
We've never been a yo yo club No...but hopefully at least the play offs next season Dont know how these clubs havent had the problems stoke have had...theyve spent money too There are plenty of ex Prem clubs dropped to the third tier including Leeds. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 24, 2020 21:20:00 GMT
I always think of "bouncing back" to be an immediate return. We've been absolutely shite and have changed a phenomenal amount of staffing from the Prem, I think if we go up, it would have to just be considered a normal promotion rather than a swift turnaround.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 24, 2020 21:31:52 GMT
If we went up we'd have only probably Powell and hopefully by then Campbell as top-flight class players. We'd need a LOT of money spent now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:35:53 GMT
I think it’s easier when clubs go down if they’ve bounced a few times....we had been there 10 years and I think that is harder to overcome in honesty. Yeah this is it really, we had a 'Premier League' squad of players with high wages who all thought the Championship was a level below their ability. Teams like Norwich still have a Championship squad, that's why they are more likely to bounce back. |
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Post by minnierover on Jul 24, 2020 22:16:35 GMT
I think the key to bouncing back is getting the right manager. We never did that until hopefully now. Norwich chose well but just haven’t backed him when they went up. Leeds are not in the category of bouncing back but eventually chose well in Bielsa who got them up at the 2nd attempt and WBA chose superbly in Bilic who did it first attempt, and that’s after losing 60+ goals in Barnes, Rodriguez and Gayle.
Like I said, hopefully we’ve now finally chosen the right man.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 24, 2020 23:00:47 GMT
We've never been a yo yo club That's true. When we go down, we stay down. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 25, 2020 6:04:12 GMT
And sometimes down again, almost like this season.
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Post by chad on Jul 25, 2020 6:45:46 GMT
If we went up we'd have only probably Powell and hopefully by then Campbell as top-flight class players. We'd need a LOT of money spent now. We weren’t really seen as being well equipped for the Prem last time we went up but it turned out ok |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 25, 2020 6:58:56 GMT
If we went up we'd have only probably Powell and hopefully by then Campbell as top-flight class players. We'd need a LOT of money spent now. We weren’t really seen as being well equipped for the Prem last time we went up but it turned out ok That was a squad willing to die for the club though. Shawcross, Wilko, Delap, Lawrence, Fuller, Glen Whelan, Griffin , Sidibé, Cresswell. None of them seemingly premiership quality but they were absolutely committed to the club and cause, plus the addition of Sorro, Higgy and Abdoulaye Faye. Can’t say that now with many of them. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 25, 2020 7:18:21 GMT
Needless to say, Scholes had the last laugh.
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Post by bigvern on Jul 25, 2020 7:31:48 GMT
Needless to say, Scholes had the last laugh. Ah-Ha! |
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Post by neddy on Jul 25, 2020 7:36:01 GMT
We weren’t really seen as being well equipped for the Prem last time we went up but it turned out ok That was a squad willing to die for the club though. Shawcross, Wilko, Delap, Lawrence, Fuller, Glen Whelan, Griffin , Sidibé, Cresswell. None of them seemingly premiership quality but they were absolutely committed to the club and cause, plus the addition of Sorro, Higgy and Abdoulaye Faye. Can’t say that now with many of them. And yet in that list some of them got crowd stick .... but I guess it’s the same everywhere? |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 25, 2020 8:27:21 GMT
If we went up we'd have only probably Powell and hopefully by then Campbell as top-flight class players. We'd need a LOT of money spent now. We weren’t really seen as being well equipped for the Prem last time we went up but it turned out ok Most of our current crop aren't fit for the Championship! |
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 8:35:21 GMT
And sometimes down again, almost like this season. We've never done that either Shortest spell we've had in one division since in last 100 years was the two years in division 2 in the 70's |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 25, 2020 8:44:19 GMT
The longer a club like ours are in the premier league the harder it is to bounce back quickly.
You cease being a lower league club, the players that got you there start to disappear and are replaced by ones who only know elite level football. They don't want to battle, scrap, graft and the certainly don't want to be in the championship.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 25, 2020 8:48:48 GMT
I think it’s easier when clubs go down if they’ve bounced a few times....we had been there 10 years and I think that is harder to overcome in honesty. It must be especially hard to get over when you are considered to be established, I know that former players have mentioned that we were an established side and they couldn’t see us going down so that must not have helped either. Unfortunately the fans could see it in the final couple of seasons and the people making the decisions gave MH the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2020 9:00:48 GMT
There'd be a certain irony (and pain) if our demolition of Forest recently allowed both Swansea and WBA to go back to the PL.
They both came down with us and, of course, it would have to be Stoke as the only one of the three not to make it back sooner rather than later...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2020 9:05:35 GMT
I think it’s easier when clubs go down if they’ve bounced a few times....we had been there 10 years and I think that is harder to overcome in honesty. It must be especially hard to get over when you are considered to be established, I know that former players have mentioned that we were an established side and they couldn’t see us going down so that must not have helped either. Unfortunately the fans could see it in the final couple of seasons and the people making the decisions gave MH the benefit of the doubt. Outside of the top six or seven big clubs, I'm not sure there are any established clubs really. Stoke, Bolton, Charlton etc have all had that label attached and all gone down after a decade or so, it's the nature of the PL for clubs outside those big ones which will never get relegated. Leicester have got potential to break into that group, but once their current crop of good players retires, fades or moves on, they will probably rejoin the rest of the pack in their annual fight not to be one of the three to go down. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 25, 2020 9:32:29 GMT
I think a lot has to do with the mentality of the players in a relegated club.
That will vary from individual to individual. Some players like Joe Allen are clearly self motivated enough to give their best effort even if they were playing on the local park. Others are clearly hugely demotivated by dropping to the second tier, even to the point of suffering depression.
I think the players attitude will also be affected by how long they have been in the Premier League. They think of themselves as Premier League players and being relegated can cause them to not want to be associated with their team mates and want out.
Another factor is the people around the players such as agents, family, friends, etc. and how much disruption and mischief they can cause by offering "advice" and opinion.
I think many of the above factors can also relate to players leaving top clubs to join "smaller" clubs. How motivated are players like Bony, Wimmer, etc. In the latter case, I can imagine he was gutted to be shipped out from Spurs and found it difficult to face his family and Austrian friends.
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Post by walrus on Jul 25, 2020 9:51:29 GMT
We've never been a yo yo club No...but hopefully at least the play offs next season Dont know how these clubs havent had the problems stoke have had...theyve spent money too They spent the money much better! |
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Post by RF10 on Jul 25, 2020 10:13:35 GMT
If and eventually when we do go back up, I'm looking forward to the stadium being rocking again.
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 25, 2020 10:54:48 GMT
Hadn't West Brom been in the Prem for 8 years this last time?
Hopefully with a decent manager as well we can do the same!
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