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Post by Linx on Jul 31, 2020 14:33:45 GMT
Have to say I’m a little surprised at the length of sentence so I fully expect an appeal from the arsehole legal defence team. The thing is, the two pieces of shit with the thirteen year sentences will be walking the streets in single figure years regardless. They are eligible for parole after two thirds served. It means they could only be 26 when released. Still plenty of life to lead, unlike PC Harper.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 15:16:58 GMT
Depending on the severity of the offence – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including: A prison sentence – typically ranging between 2 and 10 years. Hopefully, given the circumstances, they get life, with a minimum of 20 years, but I'll be surprised if it's over 15. Pretty close. I agree with Linx's comment above, but unfortunately that's the case with all murders/manslaughter. Most murderers are out after 16 years. It's just not enough. Those wankers will be out in less than ten years, free to carry on with their lives, while his family will be suffering for the rest of theirs.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 31, 2020 16:02:25 GMT
Depending on the severity of the offence – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including: A prison sentence – typically ranging between 2 and 10 years. Hopefully, given the circumstances, they get life, with a minimum of 20 years, but I'll be surprised if it's over 15. Pretty close. I agree with Linx's comment above, but unfortunately that's the case with all murders/manslaughter. Most murderers are out after 16 years. It's just not enough. Those wankers will be out in less than ten years, free to carry on with their lives, while his family will be suffering for the rest of theirs. Talking to yourself mate?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 16:13:56 GMT
/ 🚨 Statement released on behalf of Deborah Adlam, mother of PC Andrew Harper 🚨 The link starts with......( but the rest is worth reading)........ “I’m Mum to PC Andrew Harper. “My blue eyed rosy cheeked, funny and wonderful first born son. “You have no idea how glad I am the trial has now finished. The results are what they are, and now we have to try and live the rest of our lives without Andrew and instead with a huge heavy weight in our broken hearts. “I’m unable to explain the enormity of what I am feeling and struggling with since we were woken on 16th August 2019 with a knock on the door, 4.45am. “Andrew was gone. Killed in the line of duty. “Trying to accept this is a daily struggle and we have barely begun. “The detail since then has been utterly dreadful and I do not think we will ever come to terms with it. “My fit healthy happy brilliant son died purely because these boys chose to steal a quad bike. I personally have not seen, heard or felt a glimmer of any remorse. In fact, we have seen the opposite, with Long, Bowers and Cole repeatedly laughing and showing a complete lack of respect during the court proceedings. “My family and I feel broken - can you imagine any of your loved ones suffering such a terrible end and with such indignity? The pain we now live with is endless, Andrew was literally ripped from our family while we slept.
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Post by questionable on Jul 31, 2020 21:37:04 GMT
Have to say I’m a little surprised at the length of sentence so I fully expect an appeal from the arsehole legal defence team. The thing is, the two pieces of shit with the thirteen year sentences will be walking the streets in single figure years regardless. So they’ll do 2/3 of their sentences, what the press have failed to mention is that every month they’ve spent on remand doubles up, so they’ve already done 2 years.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 31, 2020 21:47:57 GMT
/ 🚨 Statement released on behalf of Deborah Adlam, mother of PC Andrew Harper 🚨 The link starts with......( but the rest is worth reading)........ “I’m Mum to PC Andrew Harper. “My blue eyed rosy cheeked, funny and wonderful first born son. “You have no idea how glad I am the trial has now finished. The results are what they are, and now we have to try and live the rest of our lives without Andrew and instead with a huge heavy weight in our broken hearts. “I’m unable to explain the enormity of what I am feeling and struggling with since we were woken on 16th August 2019 with a knock on the door, 4.45am. “Andrew was gone. Killed in the line of duty. “Trying to accept this is a daily struggle and we have barely begun. “The detail since then has been utterly dreadful and I do not think we will ever come to terms with it. “My fit healthy happy brilliant son died purely because these boys chose to steal a quad bike. I personally have not seen, heard or felt a glimmer of any remorse. In fact, we have seen the opposite, with Long, Bowers and Cole repeatedly laughing and showing a complete lack of respect during the court proceedings. “My family and I feel broken - can you imagine any of your loved ones suffering such a terrible end and with such indignity? The pain we now live with is endless, Andrew was literally ripped from our family while we slept. It’s heartbreaking to read that article. Next time someone wants to say something about the Police they need to think about PC Harper and many others like him who went into work to try to keep us all safe and never made it home because they gave their lives for a country they believe in.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 31, 2020 22:54:46 GMT
/ 🚨 Statement released on behalf of Deborah Adlam, mother of PC Andrew Harper 🚨 The link starts with......( but the rest is worth reading)........ “I’m Mum to PC Andrew Harper. “My blue eyed rosy cheeked, funny and wonderful first born son. “You have no idea how glad I am the trial has now finished. The results are what they are, and now we have to try and live the rest of our lives without Andrew and instead with a huge heavy weight in our broken hearts. “I’m unable to explain the enormity of what I am feeling and struggling with since we were woken on 16th August 2019 with a knock on the door, 4.45am. “Andrew was gone. Killed in the line of duty. “Trying to accept this is a daily struggle and we have barely begun. “The detail since then has been utterly dreadful and I do not think we will ever come to terms with it. “My fit healthy happy brilliant son died purely because these boys chose to steal a quad bike. I personally have not seen, heard or felt a glimmer of any remorse. In fact, we have seen the opposite, with Long, Bowers and Cole repeatedly laughing and showing a complete lack of respect during the court proceedings. “My family and I feel broken - can you imagine any of your loved ones suffering such a terrible end and with such indignity? The pain we now live with is endless, Andrew was literally ripped from our family while we slept. It’s heartbreaking to read that article. Next time someone wants to say something about the Police they need to think about PC Harper and many others like him who went into work to try to keep us all safe and never made it home because they gave their lives for a country they believe in. I doubt the usual suspects will give a toss about PC Harper or the thousands of dedicated, hard working officers faced with life threatening incidents or decisions every time they put on the uniform. After all, they are right wing, racists aren’t they and the cop bashing will return as soon as this little inconvenient news story that risks humanising the police dies down.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 31, 2020 23:09:40 GMT
It’s heartbreaking to read that article. Next time someone wants to say something about the Police they need to think about PC Harper and many others like him who went into work to try to keep us all safe and never made it home because they gave their lives for a country they believe in. I doubt the usual suspects will give a toss about PC Harper or the thousands of dedicated, hard working officers faced with life threatening incidents or decisions every time they put on the uniform. After all, they are right wing, racists aren’t they and the cop bashing will return as soon as this little inconvenient news story that risks humanising the police dies down. More than likely. OK, there are some bad apples in the police around the world but imagine demonising every one of them because of the actions of a few? Doesn't sound particularly tolerant to me.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 1, 2020 10:24:10 GMT
Wether anyone likes it or not the law is the law and murder could not be proved.
Maybe there needs to be a crime in between.
You can commit manslaughter by total accident for example you could push someone innocuously in an argument but they slip and bang their head
obviously murder is a different kettle of fish
Maybe aggravated manslaughter or unlawful killing in collaboration with another crime would sit inbeteeen with harsher minimum sentences.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 1, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth!
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 1, 2020 11:14:46 GMT
Never met a decent pikey in my life , fought a few in my younger days , they are lawless , they respect there elders but would rip ours off in a heartbeat , the driver should of got life with no parole
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 1, 2020 11:35:33 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth! Some chap in Germany in the 1930s to 1940s tried it apparently.
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Post by questionable on Aug 1, 2020 12:03:01 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth! Got this government for 4 years now sorry
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 8:23:01 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth! You could start the war today.. Grab a few pikey babies from their mother's and smash their heads into the ground. Fuckin prick
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 8:39:08 GMT
Wether anyone likes it or not the law is the law and murder could not be proved. Maybe there needs to be a crime in between. You can commit manslaughter by total accident for example you could push someone innocuously in an argument but they slip and bang their head obviously murder is a different kettle of fish Maybe aggravated manslaughter or unlawful killing in collaboration with another crime would sit inbeteeen with harsher minimum sentences. That was the point of my post earlier on Salop. The law indeed is the law...but it very often does not result in justice nor act in favour of the victims. The legal profession has become introverted and self indulgent. Case law and precedent has inevitably resulted in a spiralling down of sentences as attempts have been made to understand the offenders and to give concessions for such things as cooperation. We need a review and things like this need to be looked at again.....with a view that justice for the victims and society should be paramount. A decent man has died in an horrific manner caused by three people who were involved in criminal activity.....they are , in my opinion, directly responsible for the mans death. Legal niceties such as intent in this case are/ should be irrelevant. I was once involved in a slashing of the throat case in the Noahs Ark , Hartshill where the offender got off with it because he was charged with section 18 instead of20 of the Offences Against the person Act, because intent could not be proved. I don't particularly like punishing people but sentences such as this are doing little in terms of protecting the public and are actually disgracefully negligent in creating a deterent.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 2, 2020 15:54:05 GMT
Going off-topic a bit here, but who would want to be a policeman nowadays?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2020 15:56:50 GMT
Going off-topic a bit here, but who would want to be a policeman nowadays? Rabid cunts
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Post by nott1 on Aug 2, 2020 16:02:55 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth! You could start the war today.. Grab a few pikey babies from their mother's and smash their heads into the ground. Fuckin prick Fan are you?
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Post by questionable on Aug 2, 2020 16:25:46 GMT
And yet another misguided youth who needs our help to show him the error of his ways so we can point out that’s the wrong thing to do and naughty, in fact it’s the Police officers fault looking at the recording for punching himself repeatedly and throwing himself around on the floor.
In reality the scum will get the best legal aid that you and I probably couldn’t afford, get caught laughing and then have the audacity to tell a judge how sorry he is and it’s the fault of his father for leaving at an early age.
Result Police office jailed, Police putting in measures to quell hatred for the Police and a massive payout for the perpetrator for hurting his knuckles
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Post by thevoid on Aug 2, 2020 17:06:57 GMT
Isn't it time there was a concerted effort to rid the world of these aresoles who spend their whole lives thieving, ripping off oaps, and wrecking the land with their despicable criminal lifestyle? Absolute scum the vast majority of 'em! That's not racist it's the truth! You could start the war today.. Grab a few pikey babies from their mother's and smash their heads into the ground. Fuckin prick Shouldn't you be on your knee rimming Sasha Johnson, mate?
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 17:34:27 GMT
You could start the war today.. Grab a few pikey babies from their mother's and smash their heads into the ground. Fuckin prick Shouldn't you be on your knee rimming Sasha Johnson, mate? Haven't got a clue what you're on about. But you'd kneel anyway, that's why you're so obsessed about it. You wouldn't have the balls to stand alone.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 17:57:28 GMT
Law and Order, the Justice system is yet another " issue" that the Left ( just for you Prestwich) should take on. It may be " populist" to want to have just justice...that means it is simply an issue about which people are concerned....and the Tories could be criticised....unfortunately I don't think that they are capable of grasping the issue and empathising with how people and victims of crime really feel. They'd much prefer to talk identity politics to be negative.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2020 10:45:50 GMT
Shouldn't you be on your knee rimming Sasha Johnson, mate? Haven't got a clue what you're on about. But you'd kneel anyway, that's why you're so obsessed about it. You wouldn't have the balls to stand alone. Cuck. If you don't know what I'm on about, educate yourself
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 3, 2020 10:48:59 GMT
Again a bit off-topic...
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2020 11:09:24 GMT
Haven't got a clue what you're on about. But you'd kneel anyway, that's why you're so obsessed about it. You wouldn't have the balls to stand alone. Cuck. If you don't know what I'm on about, educate yourself You're on the wrong thread duck
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2020 11:13:06 GMT
Cuck. If you don't know what I'm on about, educate yourself You're on the wrong thread duck Read the right thread then flower.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2020 12:07:05 GMT
You're on the wrong thread duck Read the right thread then flower. Which one's that then? Presumably every thread you've posted on?..
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2020 12:10:55 GMT
Read the right thread then flower. Which one's that then? Presumably every thread you've posted on?.. Just use the internet and do some due dilligence. You don't need me to hold your hand.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2020 12:28:32 GMT
Which one's that then? Presumably every thread you've posted on?.. Just use the internet and do some due dilligence. You don't need me to hold your hand. No, stick to the topic of the thread or create a new one. It's not hard
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 3, 2020 12:36:00 GMT
Which one's that then? Presumably every thread you've posted on?.. Just use the internet and do some due dilligence. You don't need me to hold your hand. Due diligence? This isn't Wall Street fella, it's a fucking Stoke City forum, and you've evidently been on furlough way too long And do stop defending people who are advocating ethnic cleansing mate. It's not a good look for someone who likes to put themselves about as the acceptable face of the right
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