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Post by xchpotter on Jul 24, 2020 11:34:09 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 24, 2020 11:54:30 GMT
Christ your heart sinks when you read it again. Horrifying. The Justice system continually let's the Police and Public down.
The cheering relatives are the lowest of the low.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jul 24, 2020 11:58:59 GMT
You cant send then down for murder.
We cant have the Gypsy community upset.
(Awful Decision)
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 24, 2020 12:36:04 GMT
You cant send then down for murder. We cant have the Gypsy community upset. (Awful Decision) They genuinely believe themselves to be above the law or that the laws don't apply to them and the sooner this myth is openly put to bed publicly once and for all this 'community' will go on believing it.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 24, 2020 12:36:39 GMT
Unfortunately the issue of the legal difference between murder and manslaughter probably meant that a murder charge would be easier for the lawyers to defend given the circumstances of PC Harper’s death. Also one of the scumbags had already pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Sentencing for manslaughter can still attract severe prison sentencing including life. This will be at the judges discretion.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 24, 2020 13:06:57 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 24, 2020 13:21:40 GMT
Absolutely fucking stinks, dirty pikey cunts should have been taking it up the shitter for life!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2020 14:32:54 GMT
You cant send then down for murder. We cant have the Gypsy community upset. (Awful Decision) They could be white, gypsy, Muslim, gay, straight or Chinese and there's no way you could charge then with murder. It was manslaughter. It doesn't stop them (and their family by the sounds of it) being a pile of colossal cunts without an ounce of decency in their existence. I don't know if a judge can take into the actions of the perpetrators during a trial when handing down a sentence, but I hope he/she can.
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Post by richie22 on Jul 24, 2020 16:18:34 GMT
Surely at the point they are aware the young fella was being dragged and they did nothing but turn the radio up it becomes murder . Hang the arrogant twats and let there family’s cheer that.
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Post by EccyStokie on Jul 24, 2020 16:27:14 GMT
You cant send then down for murder. We cant have the Gypsy community upset. (Awful Decision) They could be white, gypsy, Muslim, gay, straight or Chinese and there's no way you could charge then with murder. It was manslaughter. It doesn't stop them (and their family by the sounds of it) being a pile of colossal cunts without an ounce of decency in their existence. I don't know if a judge can take into the actions of the perpetrators during a trial when handing down a sentence, but I hope he/she can. Unfortunately I tend to agree with this. It was manslaughter by the letter of the law. Although they deserve the harshest possible sentence.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 24, 2020 16:42:15 GMT
Depending on the severity of the offence – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including:
A prison sentence – typically ranging between 2 and 10 years.
Hopefully, given the circumstances, they get life, with a minimum of 20 years, but I'll be surprised if it's over 15.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2020 16:47:16 GMT
I'll be very surprised if its over 10 tbh.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 24, 2020 16:59:35 GMT
I'll be very surprised if its over 10 tbh. Yes, I'm hoping that the fact he was a copper and was dragged for a mile will up the sentence.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2020 17:11:57 GMT
I'll be very surprised if its over 10 tbh. Yes, I'm hoping that the fact he was a copper and was dragged for a mile will up the sentence. It should do but who knows with some judge's ☹ Edit: if it's too lenient I hope the HS intervenes.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 24, 2020 17:17:46 GMT
Depending on the severity of the offence – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including: A prison sentence – typically ranging between 2 and 10 years. Hopefully, given the circumstances, they get life, with a minimum of 20 years, but I'll be surprised if it's over 15. I'll be surprised if the sentence is double figures, but I won't be surprised when they will be walking the streets in 5 years once they have served part of the sentence. Thanks again to our wonderful legal profession where the interests of decent, law abiding people mean fuck all.
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Post by felonious on Jul 24, 2020 17:59:02 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 24, 2020 21:54:24 GMT
Hell of a mess, in more ways than one.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 24, 2020 23:14:37 GMT
The saddest thing is that there’s not an ounce of shame for what they’ve done by either those in the dock or their families. The fact they’ve killed a good man counts for nothing in their world. All they’re bothered about is getting away with it and the fact they even try to even interfere with the jury says it all. If it was down to me they’d be inside for the rest of their lives.
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Post by Boothen on Jul 25, 2020 6:01:41 GMT
Pikeys are fucking vermin.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2020 6:49:05 GMT
We need a review of the criminal justice system, with the public involved. Many people would not like the result of the review. I believe in law and order, and work with law students. Unfortunately the legal profession has become an independent body that is inward looking, detached from the mainstream, a law unto itself and is unable to free itself from it's own straightjacket, even if it wanted to....I believe in our system of precedent and case law but every now and again " we" need to look at the whole system and see if it, or parts of it, are fit for purpose....that phrase "common sense" comes into play.....of course people will say it's not common , and it is subjective, but I believe that most of us understand. " Most" is an important word. I'm all for including, understanding minorities but we have made a massive mistake in elevating " their" rights at the expense of the long suffering, tolerant vast majority.....to such an extent that it is now a grevious offence ( or popularly perceived to be) to offend Muslims, transgender/ LGBT+/ Travellers.....but the white working class male can be called thick, racist etc...and ignored.....because they are not in the form of a cohesive group, easily recognised, with specific causes. Unfortunately in this case the actions of the perpetrators have simply reinforced the stereotypes of their group. In this case the maximum sentence for manslaughter ( in one sense) CAN'T be given because the offenders have been given " brownie points" for such things as " pleading guilty" , showing remorse, cooperating(?)....it will be in the judges' guidelines ...he/ she can't deviate without breaking precedent....and to do so would simply trigger an appeal. The behaviour of friends and family can't be taken into account, it has nothing to do with the manslaughter charge. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/faqs/faqs-sentencing-guidelines/When I talk about review....perhaps as a starter we need to consider an offence such as " if a death occurs whilst the accused is engaged in an illegal activity ( which could be specified) then the penalty will be " life""....we need a deterent as well as punishment provided by the law....I've always thought it an injustice that if someone breaks into your home, potentially you are put in a position which could lead to violence, totally out of your hands ( see the Tony Martin/ farmhouse case en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer) www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/henry-vincent-inquest-death-stabbing-burglar-richard-osborn-brooks-london-a8896651.htmlA quote from the Osborn- Brooks case......His mother, Rose Lee, told the hearing: “Why couldn’t that gentleman have just stepped back like a normal person would have? Unbelievable but believable......normalising crime, play the game. )
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Post by Boothen on Jul 25, 2020 17:04:11 GMT
Another pertinent quote from the Osborn-Brooks case is from the dead scum's Sister, "My brother was not a violent person". Yes, because it's perfectly normal behaviour for these non-violent types to arm themselves, balaclava up and force their way into an elderly couples home with the intention of robbing them.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 25, 2020 17:29:41 GMT
Another pertinent quote from the Osborn-Brooks case is from the dead scum's Sister, "My brother was not a violent person". Yes, because it's perfectly normal behaviour for these non-violent types to arm themselves, balaclava up and force their way into an elderly couples home with the intention of robbing them. Does running onto the guys knife count as suicide. Maybe he thought he was heading for the door but was so far under the influence he lost his bearings. Glad to see that the local community had a similar moral viewpoint as to the flowers being left in the street.
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Post by questionable on Jul 25, 2020 17:31:28 GMT
I'll be very surprised if its over 10 tbh. Which means they’ll do three years
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2020 18:46:29 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 25, 2020 19:50:48 GMT
I just wish the judges and legal profession could feel the pain of these type of offences then you would see things change. They are so besotted with this Utopian vision of justice as long as they can pat themselves on the back at the jolly old boys club to say look how well threy have upheld justice today. They truly believe that their vision of justice is more important than that the victims have to endure due to their whimsical mitigation arguments and judgements. They are so out of touch with the wishes and needs of victims, but I bet they wouldn't be so wet if it was a loved one of theirs affected by their idiocy.
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Post by questionable on Jul 25, 2020 19:55:32 GMT
Look at some of the judges, pathetic gullible people who look after the perpetrators.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 25, 2020 20:20:16 GMT
Look at some of the judges, pathetic gullible people who look after the perpetrators. They always have done and show more sympathy to offenders than victims. They need to endure what a victim does before they can effectively judge and sentence in my opinion.
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Post by questionable on Jul 25, 2020 20:32:53 GMT
Look at some of the judges, pathetic gullible people who look after the perpetrators. They always have done and show more sympathy to offenders than victims. They need to endure what a victim does before they can effectively judge and sentence in my opinion. You can basically stand in front of these imbecile judges lie through your back teeth and you’ll get well looked after and walk out feeling like that you’re the victim and downtrodden within society. It’s no wonder that people do what they want as there’s no repercussions whatsoever.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 13:11:50 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 31, 2020 14:00:24 GMT
Have to say I’m a little surprised at the length of sentence so I fully expect an appeal from the arsehole legal defence team. The thing is, the two pieces of shit with the thirteen year sentences will be walking the streets in single figure years regardless.
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