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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 20, 2020 9:10:35 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 20, 2020 9:17:17 GMT
Everyone seems euphoric which is nice but we shouldn’t let it cloud the issues this club still face. Is the only hope MON papering over the massive cracks we have as a club structurally? And is that really acceptable? As things stand I think the answer to those questions are yes and no. We’ve clearly got a good un in MON but we have got to learn that we cannot just rely on finding a good manager. This club still needs the root and branch overhaul it needed when we were relegated from the PL and that we would have been demanding had this season ended differently too. Scholes has to go. Why is he still here? We cannot go into another transfer window with him at the helm. It’s the bare minimum we need and quite frankly deserve. What then. I’d still like to see another fresh face on the board tbh. Someone with new ideas and someone who will actually tell the current lot what they’ve done wrong and where they need to improve. We need modernising almost. I just feel like we’ve been left behind on the pitch with how we play and it’s the same off it too. Ideally I think we need a technical director too. Who the manager reports in to. But that potentially upsets the apple cart unnecessarily but it’s a way more sustainable and accountable way of doing things. Staying up is great but it shouldn’t be used to let them off indeed it should be the warning sign for them to make the changes they said they would after we were relegated from the Premier League. Agree pretty much 100%. But we are back to the key question. Until or unless the leadership looks in the mirror and sees what virtually anyone on here can. And accepts what they see. And acts on it. Then I don't see it happening. Root and branch change - almost certainly not. Elastoplast - probably yes. Deeply, deeply frustrating. I would say that in almost any other field of activity (business, politics - and yes football), the leadership might be wiping their brow, counting their lucky stars and asking themselves tough questions. Honest self-reflection of that sort is a strength that should be in the DNA of any organisation that wants to evolve and improve. You can probably guarantee that it runs right through Bet365 like a stick of Blackpool rock. And almost by definition, the opposite is probably true. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 20, 2020 9:25:09 GMT
www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/northern-ireland-goalkeeper-ollie-webber-18398301Looking at the above article it looks like he is very hands on with the youth players too. Not sure if we have any information on his involvement around the younger players here coming through and how much time he spends with them at all levels but he seems to be extremely thorough in his approach. Rather than him papering over the cracks he might heal our wounds and bring the club together from bottom to top in a way we have always wanted. It's about time we started getting something from our youth system, hopefully MON will be the person to create that pathway so we are continually having players come through rather than the odd breakthrough every few years.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 20, 2020 9:38:58 GMT
Give O'Niell and his backroom staff a five year contract with control over first team under 21s and under 18s And youths So all young players can slot into the way the first team play if good enough And appiont a new comercial director who will maximise external income Jobs a good un That's the biggest crack isn't it? We have a first class youth training set up producing fuck all. When you look at a club like Southampton producing teams of Premier League quality players and we are struggling to get one good enough to play in the championship, then something is seriously wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 10:52:46 GMT
You were doing ever so well until you said, Rowett "was an exciting appointment". I honestly think a lot of us thought he was! The results though showed something else, and I couldn't get rid fast enough!  I have a hard time with that. I thought he was a disastrous appointment and what came later, the confrontations with the fans, was already evident in pre season. Not to mention his boring style of play. So is he a different manager now? Yes and no. I think he learned something about himself, and gained a little humility, in the months after he got the sack here. But the type of football he advocates is still very minimalistic. |
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Post by brumstokie on Jul 20, 2020 11:28:15 GMT
You might as well be screaming in an empty room when it comes to this subject. Tony is here to stay, I'm happy to say. You’re going to be (more) unbearable when he eventually jilts you😉 |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 20, 2020 11:35:37 GMT
I honestly think a lot of us thought he was! The results though showed something else, and I couldn't get rid fast enough! I have a hard time with that. I thought he was a disastrous appointment and what came later, the confrontations with the fans, was already evident in pre season. Not to mention his boring style of play. So is he a different manager now? Yes and no. I think he learned something about himself, and gained a little humility, in the months after he got the sack here. But the type of football he advocates is still very minimalistic. I could have coped with that if we had got the right results, but we didn't! |
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Post by questionable on Jul 20, 2020 19:44:18 GMT
I’d be over the moon if we were to get rid of the rat faced parasite and the buffoon heir to the throne but unfortunately it’s far to deep rooted and it’s sickening that they actually think they’re ticking along nicely and the “process” is where it should be.
Let’s face it they’ve got us in this shit and we’ve avoided relegation with one match to spare, sickening the insane money they’ve spent and I look at the table and think what a joke the past 3 seasons have been.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 21, 2020 2:04:56 GMT
Everyone seems euphoric which is nice but we shouldn’t let it cloud the issues this club still face. Is the only hope MON papering over the massive cracks we have as a club structurally? And is that really acceptable? As things stand I think the answer to those questions are yes and no. We’ve clearly got a good un in MON but we have got to learn that we cannot just rely on finding a good manager. This club still needs the root and branch overhaul it needed when we were relegated from the PL and that we would have been demanding had this season ended differently too. Scholes has to go. Why is he still here? We cannot go into another transfer window with him at the helm. It’s the bare minimum we need and quite frankly deserve. What then. I’d still like to see another fresh face on the board tbh. Someone with new ideas and someone who will actually tell the current lot what they’ve done wrong and where they need to improve. We need modernising almost. I just feel like we’ve been left behind on the pitch with how we play and it’s the same off it too. Ideally I think we need a technical director too. Who the manager reports in to. But that potentially upsets the apple cart unnecessarily but it’s a way more sustainable and accountable way of doing things. Staying up is great but it shouldn’t be used to let them off indeed it should be the warning sign for them to make the changes they said they would after we were relegated from the Premier League. I take it u have been drinking |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 21, 2020 10:44:15 GMT
It doesn't make any sense to me as to why this would even vaguely be considered. The main reason being there isn't anyone who can factually, categorically, state what is right or wrong for a football club. You could have people at the club next season who have some absolutely fantastic ideas. They could be utterly ground breaking and bring something new to the sport or we might end up somehow emulating a peak Barcelona/Liverpool etc of recent years on the pitch. If the other 23 clubs in the league come across something even better though, we're still finishing the season dead last. That's the reality of football, you can do everything right and still fail. Ultimately the Coates family, by virtue of owning the club, have the right to run it the way they believe is correct while trying to achieve success. No they don't. The club is nothing without its fans. Yes they have been good, yes they have money blah blah. Doesn't mean they have the right to run the place into the ground with their "jobs for the boys" ineptitude. They need to have some respect for the fans and their thoughts, otherwise this is simply a benevolent dictatorship. Change is needed or it will carry on with the same old hit and miss BS. They got lucky with TP and are hoping MON is the same. Its a bloody awful way to run a club. A proper football based senior management is required. |
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Post by David Brent on Jul 21, 2020 10:46:29 GMT
Everyone seems euphoric which is nice but we shouldn’t let it cloud the issues this club still face. Is the only hope MON papering over the massive cracks we have as a club structurally? And is that really acceptable? As things stand I think the answer to those questions are yes and no. We’ve clearly got a good un in MON but we have got to learn that we cannot just rely on finding a good manager. This club still needs the root and branch overhaul it needed when we were relegated from the PL and that we would have been demanding had this season ended differently too. Scholes has to go. Why is he still here? We cannot go into another transfer window with him at the helm. It’s the bare minimum we need and quite frankly deserve. What then. I’d still like to see another fresh face on the board tbh. Someone with new ideas and someone who will actually tell the current lot what they’ve done wrong and where they need to improve. We need modernising almost. I just feel like we’ve been left behind on the pitch with how we play and it’s the same off it too. Ideally I think we need a technical director too. Who the manager reports in to. But that potentially upsets the apple cart unnecessarily but it’s a way more sustainable and accountable way of doing things. Staying up is great but it shouldn’t be used to let them off indeed it should be the warning sign for them to make the changes they said they would after we were relegated from the Premier League. Euphoric is a very strong word to just avoid a second relegation in three seasons. Relief and optimism is a better way to describe it. Scholes I agree has to go. How he is getting away with some of his transfer dealings and still has a job is absolutely criminal. He’s shown no due diligence in some of his signings apart from watching a 3 minute YouTube video. Guys a joke |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 21, 2020 10:51:57 GMT
You might as well be screaming in an empty room when it comes to this subject. Tony is here to stay, I'm happy to say. Happy for a CEO to stay who has overseen quite possibly the biggest spending spree in Championship history for us to avoid relegation by one game. When you run a company give me a shout because I would love to work for you and massively fail and still keep my job. You don't need to pay me nigh on a million a year either. 500k will do me, I ain't greedy. He needs relocating in the club and people who know what they are doing need to take over. Stoke are just pissing money down the drain with this idiot at the helm. Look at Brentford and look at Stoke and I need say no more. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 21, 2020 11:14:49 GMT
www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/northern-ireland-goalkeeper-ollie-webber-18398301Looking at the above article it looks like he is very hands on with the youth players too. Not sure if we have any information on his involvement around the younger players here coming through and how much time he spends with them at all levels but he seems to be extremely thorough in his approach. Rather than him papering over the cracks he might heal our wounds and bring the club together from bottom to top in a way we have always wanted. It's about time we started getting something from our youth system, hopefully MON will be the person to create that pathway so we are continually having players come through rather than the odd breakthrough every few years. That's all great however a club should be defined by the club itself not the next random manager coming in. To me that is the point. Stoke should define who Stoke are and hire accordingly. But we have no plan. TP spoilt our senior management because he was a man who could take control of everything. They got lazy, sat back and reaped the benefits. And then barring Leslie's couple of great seasons it all went wrong, very very wrong. Why because the club had no identity and no discernible philosophy. |
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Post by santy on Jul 21, 2020 18:17:17 GMT
It doesn't make any sense to me as to why this would even vaguely be considered. The main reason being there isn't anyone who can factually, categorically, state what is right or wrong for a football club. You could have people at the club next season who have some absolutely fantastic ideas. They could be utterly ground breaking and bring something new to the sport or we might end up somehow emulating a peak Barcelona/Liverpool etc of recent years on the pitch. If the other 23 clubs in the league come across something even better though, we're still finishing the season dead last. That's the reality of football, you can do everything right and still fail. Ultimately the Coates family, by virtue of owning the club, have the right to run it the way they believe is correct while trying to achieve success. No they don't. The club is nothing without its fans. Yes they have been good, yes they have money blah blah. Doesn't mean they have the right to run the place into the ground with their "jobs for the boys" ineptitude. They need to have some respect for the fans and their thoughts, otherwise this is simply a benevolent dictatorship. Change is needed or it will carry on with the same old hit and miss BS. They got lucky with TP and are hoping MON is the same. Its a bloody awful way to run a club. A proper football based senior management is required. Okay, name them. Who are the individuals you can name the club can bring in that will bring in 30, 40+ years of unmitigated success? The biggest problem is the absolutely meaningless projection onto the club that they're trying to run the club into the ground and that they have a "jobs for the boys" approach. Neither are true, its just an overreaction to a bad spell in the clubs performances in which its easy to pull some meaningless bullshit and accuse the club of that. |
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Post by s8to on Jul 21, 2020 22:19:04 GMT
You might as well be screaming in an empty room when it comes to this subject. Tony is here to stay, I'm happy to say. Happy for a CEO to stay who has overseen quite possibly the biggest spending spree in Championship history for us to avoid relegation by one game. When you run a company give me a shout because I would love to work for you and massively fail and still keep my job. You don't need to pay me nigh on a million a year either. 500k will do me, I ain't greedy. He needs relocating in the club and people who know what they are doing need to take over. Stoke are just pissing money down the drain with this idiot at the helm. Look at Brentford and look at Stoke and I need say no more. Nail on head... by what metric does this clown even think he is succeeding as it stands..? |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 22, 2020 8:05:50 GMT
We stayed up - whats all the fuss about? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 22, 2020 12:06:39 GMT
A good barometer will be if Chester signs permanently. Regardless of his form this season, he is an ageing player, who will demand a lot of money, has still only recently recovered from an injury and has conceded it will need managing for the rest of his career.
If we really want an overhaul, surely that involves not signing players of this type? You would expect if we had some kind of appointment between MON and the Board to guide this strategy and overhaul he wouldn't sign.
I think a lot of these systems are misunderstood, it shouldn't be a confrontation between manager and technical/sporting director. It should be collaborative, if you are having confrontations that are serious then you are doing it wrong. It should be a tandem.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 22, 2020 12:34:27 GMT
Happy for a CEO to stay who has overseen quite possibly the biggest spending spree in Championship history for us to avoid relegation by one game. When you run a company give me a shout because I would love to work for you and massively fail and still keep my job. You don't need to pay me nigh on a million a year either. 500k will do me, I ain't greedy. He needs relocating in the club and people who know what they are doing need to take over. Stoke are just pissing money down the drain with this idiot at the helm. Look at Brentford and look at Stoke and I need say no more. Nail on head... by what metric does this clown even think he is succeeding as it stands..? On the survival Matrix his success is remarkable. 1 unprecedented spending has resulted in unthinkable debt with no way for recovering it , the loss of £100’’S of Millions revenue 2 the destruction of our balance sheet with assets worth nothing pos 10’s of millions for 3 the loss of premier league status and two failed promotion bids despite record investment ,the latest one nearly Ending in relegation 4 Presided over a culture of failure and unprofessional mocked by many former players amd coaches even ones of rivals And yet 1 He’s allegedly and according to the accounts taking 800k a year salary 2 No accountability 3 Has shifted blame to 4 managers a technical director and now his own commercial director is leaving or left It’s a quite remarkable survival by any commercial evaluation It’s almost trivia Name the ceo who spent £60m in the championship with an aggregate debt of of £200m And turned a £120m turnover business into a £40m turnover business in 3 years or sub £10m I’n 4 and survived hats off they are remarkable survival instincts |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 22, 2020 20:30:13 GMT
No they don't. The club is nothing without its fans. Yes they have been good, yes they have money blah blah. Doesn't mean they have the right to run the place into the ground with their "jobs for the boys" ineptitude. They need to have some respect for the fans and their thoughts, otherwise this is simply a benevolent dictatorship. Change is needed or it will carry on with the same old hit and miss BS. They got lucky with TP and are hoping MON is the same. Its a bloody awful way to run a club. A proper football based senior management is required. Okay, name them. Who are the individuals you can name the club can bring in that will bring in 30, 40+ years of unmitigated success? The biggest problem is the absolutely meaningless projection onto the club that they're trying to run the club into the ground and that they have a "jobs for the boys" approach. Neither are true, its just an overreaction to a bad spell in the clubs performances in which its easy to pull some meaningless bullshit and accuse the club of that. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I believe 4 years of absolute dog mess has everything to do with the way the senior management is run. And if I knew who exactly to get in I would probably be involved in football. but quite how you think this is just a bad spell I have no idea. You must be a very tolerant person. Kind of person Scholsey loves. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 22, 2020 20:34:23 GMT
Happy for a CEO to stay who has overseen quite possibly the biggest spending spree in Championship history for us to avoid relegation by one game. When you run a company give me a shout because I would love to work for you and massively fail and still keep my job. You don't need to pay me nigh on a million a year either. 500k will do me, I ain't greedy. He needs relocating in the club and people who know what they are doing need to take over. Stoke are just pissing money down the drain with this idiot at the helm. Look at Brentford and look at Stoke and I need say no more. Nail on head... by what metric does this clown even think he is succeeding as it stands..? No idea mate. I think TS has a few usernames on here to spread his BS propaganda. Just wish he'd fuck off to a job he is actually capable of doing. Not sure what that is mind. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 22, 2020 20:41:40 GMT
Nail on head... by what metric does this clown even think he is succeeding as it stands..? On the survival Matrix his success is remarkable. 1 unprecedented spending has resulted in unthinkable debt with no way for recovering it , the loss of £100’’S of Millions revenue 2 the destruction of our balance sheet with assets worth nothing pos 10’s of millions for 3 the loss of premier league status and two failed promotion bids despite record investment ,the latest one nearly Ending in relegation 4 Presided over a culture of failure and unprofessional mocked by many former players amd coaches even ones of rivals And yet 1 He’s allegedly and according to the accounts taking 800k a year salary 2 No accountability 3 Has shifted blame to 4 managers a technical director and now his own commercial director is leaving or left It’s a quite remarkable survival by any commercial evaluation It’s almost trivia Name the ceo who spent £60m in the championship with an aggregate debt of of £200m And turned a £120m turnover business into a £40m turnover business in 3 years or sub £10m I’n 4 and survived hats off they are remarkable survival instincts Put like that chief I do believe I haven't been giving him nearly enough shit. I will up my game  and I am not letting survival tint my glasses. We have been an utter bloody disgrace. |
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and I am not letting survival tint my glasses. We have been an utter bloody disgrace.
