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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 10, 2020 19:49:34 GMT
He does not look a quitter, but he seems to have lost the dressing room and his comments after the game last night lead me to think he does not care about that. I am not getting all the chopping and changing and players out of position, but he has his hands tied.
If he stays then he will need the biggest clearout of all pre-season and some backing, but difficult with FFP - we really need to off-load a crapload of players.
We have a handful good enough at this level and virtually no players good enough for a top-half finish.
Nothing will happen pre=season though, the backroom staff are incapable of buying/selling players and they all think we have a great squad that is just underperforming.
Nothing will change unless the owners do - but who the feck is going to want to buy a football club at the moment and least of all our omnishambles of a club. If we dont go down this season we will next
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2020 19:57:08 GMT
He does not look a quitter, but he seems to have lost the dressing room and his comments after the game last night lead me to think he does not care about that. I am not getting all the chopping and changing and players out of position, but he has his hands tied. If he stays then he will need the biggest clearout of all pre-season and some backing, but difficult with FFP - we really need to off-load a crapload of players. We have a handful good enough at this level and virtually no players good enough for a top-half finish. Nothing will happen pre=season though, the backroom staff are incapable of buying/selling players and they all think we have a great squad that is just underperforming. Nothing will change unless the owners do - but who the feck is going to want to buy a football club at the moment and least of all our omnishambles of a club. If we dont go down this season we will next How many dressing rooms need to be lost before the penny drops that it's the fuckers inside the dressing room that are the problem?
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Post by questionable on Jul 10, 2020 20:04:22 GMT
He does not look a quitter, but he seems to have lost the dressing room and his comments after the game last night lead me to think he does not care about that. I am not getting all the chopping and changing and players out of position, but he has his hands tied. If he stays then he will need the biggest clearout of all pre-season and some backing, but difficult with FFP - we really need to off-load a crapload of players. We have a handful good enough at this level and virtually no players good enough for a top-half finish. Nothing will happen pre=season though, the backroom staff are incapable of buying/selling players and they all think we have a great squad that is just underperforming. Nothing will change unless the owners do - but who the feck is going to want to buy a football club at the moment and least of all our omnishambles of a club. If we dont go down this season we will next How many dressing rooms need to be lost before the penny drops that it's the fuckers inside the dressing room that are the problem? More like people messing around in the dressing room who also want to mess around with everything thing else
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 10, 2020 20:16:24 GMT
O'Neil will walk away and the squad will chase after him but fail to catch up! Butland will go the wrong way!
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 20:23:48 GMT
If he did walk... then by God who is the replacement? Because that is the part that terrifies me the most.
Pulis? Not for me, no thank you. Mad Mick? He's got to be one we try for, would we prise him away from ROI? Maybe not. No matter what you think of him. And imagine him our Nige, some good post matchers.
Pretty much all the names we were linked with along with MON you can simply laugh at the prospect of any of them, because they'd be completely out of the question now. Who'd want to even touch this rabble?
As I say, I don't think he'll leave and I don't want him too. But fuck me senseless, the options list if he does go is going to be depressing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2020 20:29:24 GMT
If he did walk... then by God who is the replacement? Because that is the part that terrifies me the most. Pulis? Not for me, no thank you. Mad Mick? He's got to be one we try for, would we prise him away from ROI? Maybe not. No matter what you think of him. And imagine him our Nige, some good post matchers. Pretty much all the names we were linked with along with MON you can simply laugh at the prospect of any of them, because they'd be completely out of the question now. Who'd want to even touch this rabble? As I say, I don't think he'll leave and I don't want him too. But fuck me senseless, the options list if he does go is going to be depressing. Martin Allen hands down
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 10, 2020 20:31:43 GMT
He does not look a quitter, but he seems to have lost the dressing room and his comments after the game last night lead me to think he does not care about that. I am not getting all the chopping and changing and players out of position, but he has his hands tied. If he stays then he will need the biggest clearout of all pre-season and some backing, but difficult with FFP - we really need to off-load a crapload of players. We have a handful good enough at this level and virtually no players good enough for a top-half finish. Nothing will happen pre=season though, the backroom staff are incapable of buying/selling players and they all think we have a great squad that is just underperforming. Nothing will change unless the owners do - but who the feck is going to want to buy a football club at the moment and least of all our omnishambles of a club. If we dont go down this season we will next How many dressing rooms need to be lost before the penny drops that it's the fuckers inside the dressing room that are the problem? The fuckers in the dressing room range from Berahino to Chester. There have been a lot of useless overpaid tossers in that changing room for the last five years. All signed by the last five managers. The last four managerial appointments have been disastrous... With Jones topping the list and Michael coming a close second. We needed an experienced kick-ass manager of proven pedigree who commanded respect. The ethos of the Club obviously changed under Hughes and despite his good work has probably put a "soft touch" mentality into the place. I think Michael taking his eye off the ball during lockdown has amplified this.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 20:32:08 GMT
If he did walk... then by God who is the replacement? Because that is the part that terrifies me the most. Pulis? Not for me, no thank you. Mad Mick? He's got to be one we try for, would we prise him away from ROI? Maybe not. No matter what you think of him. And imagine him our Nige, some good post matchers. Pretty much all the names we were linked with along with MON you can simply laugh at the prospect of any of them, because they'd be completely out of the question now. Who'd want to even touch this rabble? As I say, I don't think he'll leave and I don't want him too. But fuck me senseless, the options list if he does go is going to be depressing. Martin Allen hands down I'd rather have frigging Tim Allen
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2020 20:39:03 GMT
I'd rather have frigging Tim Allen That was clearly a joke🤦🏻♂️
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 20:48:32 GMT
I'd rather have frigging Tim Allen That was clearly a joke🤦🏻♂️ Mate, we're in the most bizarre timeline right now. Would it surprise you if we actually hired him? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest knowing Stoke
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 10, 2020 21:21:46 GMT
He won't walk I hope and if he doesn't he will fuck off a load of shit and with a bit of luck the board will back him.
The problem I see and I had a chat with a twelve year old extremely clever son of an extremely good friend of mine and we both agreed that going down would not be great and that maybe we could shift out a lot of dead wood/shit board permitting and start again a fresh as all the pre maddona's will want to jump ship as their ego won't allow to stoop so low, but we both agree should we stay up then the real problems as we still might have to put up with all these money grabbing bastards!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2020 21:26:19 GMT
That was clearly a joke🤦🏻♂️ Mate, we're in the most bizarre timeline right now. Would it surprise you if we actually hired him? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest knowing Stoke You can’t beat an unsuccessful lower league journeyman. The hierarchy would love it. And he’s English, big tick 🤣
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 10, 2020 21:59:46 GMT
He is starting to sound a bit pissed off.
The job's impossible really. It drove Nthan Jones to the edge of a nervous breakdown by the look of him at the end of his chaotic tenure, and every single manager we've had, and even some who aren't even managing us (like Paul cook), have commented on the 'problems behind the scenes'.
We're a complete and utter basket case of a club at the moment. Unmanageable. Even though he has made mistakes recently, we have to keep MO'N as I can't see anyone else doing any better, and many I could see doing a lot worse. Just hope he doesn't get too pissed off and end up walking.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 10, 2020 22:11:33 GMT
You have to be careful of soundbites. O'Neill has been here a while now and we were actually one of the form teams in the Division before the break. he wasnt spouting off about deep problems then but after this series of results he is. Most Stoke fans know that this decline started long before the present Manager came on the scene. Hughes achieved less than Pulis, Rowett has done OK at Millwall and maybe should have given more time but Jones was a fucking waste of time and is responsible for this mess in my opinion. That said its down to O'Neill if we go down
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 10, 2020 22:30:25 GMT
If he doesn't get the backing to sign the players he needs then he should go, he won't get anything out of this bunch
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2020 22:31:02 GMT
If he did walk... then by God who is the replacement? Because that is the part that terrifies me the most. Pulis? Not for me, no thank you. Mad Mick? He's got to be one we try for, would we prise him away from ROI? Maybe not. No matter what you think of him. And imagine him our Nige, some good post matchers. Pretty much all the names we were linked with along with MON you can simply laugh at the prospect of any of them, because they'd be completely out of the question now. Who'd want to even touch this rabble? As I say, I don't think he'll leave and I don't want him too. But fuck me senseless, the options list if he does go is going to be depressing. Think Mad Mick is currently unemployed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 22:31:46 GMT
He is starting to sound a bit pissed off. The job's impossible really. It drove Nthan Jones to the edge of a nervous breakdown by the look of him at the end of his chaotic tenure, and every single manager we've had, and even some who aren't even managing us (like Paul cook), have commented on the 'problems behind the scenes'. We're a complete and utter basket case of a club at the moment. Unmanageable. Even though he has made mistakes recently, we have to keep MO'N as I can't see anyone else doing any better, and many I could see doing a lot worse. Just hope he doesn't get too pissed off and end up walking. This is what gets me. What exactly could be wrong behind the scenes that is so bad other managers are talking about it? As a side note, it's like some weird cult that we're not a part of. "Hey Baz, we know what's going on but don't tell them lot...you know, nudge nudge, wink wink" It's one of many things that are dancing on the old todge right now.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 23:01:02 GMT
If he did walk... then by God who is the replacement? Because that is the part that terrifies me the most. Pulis? Not for me, no thank you. Mad Mick? He's got to be one we try for, would we prise him away from ROI? Maybe not. No matter what you think of him. And imagine him our Nige, some good post matchers. Pretty much all the names we were linked with along with MON you can simply laugh at the prospect of any of them, because they'd be completely out of the question now. Who'd want to even touch this rabble? As I say, I don't think he'll leave and I don't want him too. But fuck me senseless, the options list if he does go is going to be depressing. Think Mad Mick is currently unemployed So he is mate. Just googled, didn’t realise he stood down.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 11, 2020 10:42:59 GMT
No - even if we go down he's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It's a good number of the players that need to walk.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2020 10:44:29 GMT
He’s a contemptible twat if he does.
He knew the job and he’s got to rectify the issues. It was never going to take half a season.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 11, 2020 10:52:38 GMT
"The players are not daft" You're right MON they aren't daft they just dont care they know full well they can fuck off at the drop of a hat leaving us to hoover up the shit show they leave behind. They start over with no guilt or responsibility and with cash in hand the bunch of mercenary thieves.
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2020 10:53:50 GMT
'Bad Apples' Always makes me piss this!
It's like when you see one of these grieving Mothers on the news telling everyone what a good boy her scumbag drug dealing son was but got in with the wrong crowd before he was shot dead.
My question has always been where does the bad crowd start and end?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 11, 2020 10:59:53 GMT
If he did, he won't be buying any of these useless fuckers if he gets another club.
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Post by questionable on Jul 11, 2020 11:03:21 GMT
But there’s a process in place we’re told that every player is fully vetted before we even contemplate, attitude etc, etc.
What a croc of shit that statement is!!
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 11, 2020 11:28:55 GMT
'Bad Apples' Always makes me piss this! It's like when you see one of these grieving Mothers on the news telling everyone what a good boy her scumbag drug dealing son was but got in with the wrong crowd before he was shot dead. My question has always been where does the bad crowd start and end? H It’s does my head in when people say it. This will be the third time we supposed to be getting rid of the bad apples? Does that mean the bad apples before we’re not really bad apples? I’m lost?😂😂
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Post by stokie1947 on Jul 11, 2020 11:57:40 GMT
he won't be walking
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Post by AlliG on Jul 11, 2020 15:08:19 GMT
He'll stay, I trust he'll make some big changes in pre season. Hopefully we scrape above relegation this season and come back another team next. If theres anything Martin O'Neill needs next season its all the Stoke fans roaring their support for him from the off. Even he can see the players there at the moment are shit. Its written all over his face. Don't you mean "if there's anything O'Neill needs next season its for all the Stoke fans to get his name right"?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 11, 2020 15:34:25 GMT
I said the same after the Leeds game. If he can't get on with someone pulling the purse strings or if he can't get rid of the dead wood why would he want to have to work with players with poor attitude. Can definitely see him saying I've kept you up now its time to move in different directions..there would be a good number of clubs without the dressing room issues we have who could easily tempt him.
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Post by boothenender on Jul 11, 2020 15:44:57 GMT
I really do not think or hope that MON leaves us. The poor lad has got an almost impossible task of trying to get the most disjointed squad in football to play as a unit. Please note that I did not call them " professional footballers" they are amateurish at best. If MON does walk and no one can blame him for doing it I would like to get someone in with a big pair of balls, who will not take any shit from that lot in the dressing room. Two names spring to mind
Mr Tony Pulis Mr Duncan Ferguson. Either of these two will crack some fucking heads together and sort out the shitfest that has infested our club. With a bit of luck one of them will twat that fraud Tony Scholes right on the nose. If anyone deserves a good fucking slap its that cunt. That bastard has engineered the downfall of our club. How he is still in his position is a total mystery. He must have something on Jon Coates with which he keeps threatening him with. Probably a photo of Jon hanging out of a pig or some other farmyard beast.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 11, 2020 16:39:26 GMT
It won't be his fault if we go down and I think he will stay and improve things. Of course only time will tell.
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