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Post by bingbang on Jun 26, 2020 11:13:53 GMT
Just seen he has signed a new 1 year contract with Chelsea. When he played for us he always looked very decent in ability and obviously had the talent to have starred for us for many years. Was very unlucky to pick up an injury, but just reminds me of what we had and what we have now lost for the for the foreseeable future, if not for good.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 26, 2020 11:21:46 GMT
I wouldn’t say he always looked very decent for us. He was the epitome of average.
Surprised he has signed an extension at Chelsea as he’s not likely to get near their side.
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Jun 26, 2020 11:23:47 GMT
What an odd career this guy is having. Never close to playing for his parent club. A series of loans where the motivation to impress doesn’t seem enough. Seems a waste.
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2020 11:31:29 GMT
I wouldn’t say he always looked very decent for us. He was the epitome of average. Surprised he has signed an extension at Chelsea as he’s not likely to get near their side. They have no intention of ever playing him nor many more of their players. Instead their intent is to make money by charging £2m a season to loan him out. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2020 11:32:09 GMT
What an odd career this guy is having. Never close to playing for his parent club. A series of loans where the motivation to impress doesn’t seem enough. Seems a waste. A waste maybe but you can't blame him, picking up Chelsea wages for, what, nearly 10 years now? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:43:10 GMT
Have they given him an extra year as a show of good faith as he is crocked?
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Post by redwhite on Jun 26, 2020 12:15:38 GMT
He was about one inch away from solidifying himself as a Stoke legend (Liverpool league cup semi final second leg)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 26, 2020 13:20:11 GMT
I wish we had signed him permanently as, if we had done, we would not have signed Imbula - which would have been great news!
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Post by Gods on Jun 26, 2020 13:29:57 GMT
He was about one inch away from solidifying himself as a Stoke legend (Liverpool league cup semi final second leg) The turning point of Sparkys tenure many argue, although if you say it then a 10 page debate ensues! Either way it was one heck of a moment in our history, Wembley beckoned and what a scalp Liverpool at Anfield would have been to get there. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 26, 2020 13:53:22 GMT
What an odd career this guy is having. Never close to playing for his parent club. A series of loans where the motivation to impress doesn’t seem enough. Seems a waste. A waste maybe but you can't blame him, picking up Chelsea wages for, what, nearly 10 years now? I can, because I would want play each week for the club I signed for. If that's not going happen, I'd drop a league or change country if needed and come back stronger for a different Prem club. Player's like Debruyne get it right, that's because they have brilliant attitudes to being sucessful. |
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Post by jaybee on Jun 26, 2020 14:25:31 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_GinkelOn 24 September 2013 in a League Cup match against Swindon Town, Van Ginkel suffered an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury that kept him out of play for around seven months
On 10 July 2018, van Ginkel had an operation to reconstruct his anterior cruciate ligament and treat damage in his knee, and expected to be out for around eight monthsHmmm
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 26, 2020 15:08:46 GMT
A waste maybe but you can't blame him, picking up Chelsea wages for, what, nearly 10 years now? I can, because I would want play each week for the club I signed for. If that's not going happen, I'd drop a league or change country if needed and come back stronger for a different Prem club. Player's like Debruyne get it right, that's because they have brilliant attitudes to being sucessful. Dropping leagues and changing countries is exactly what he's doing - just on long loans rather than permanently, which is the way Chelsea want it. It's not like he's sitting on the bench picking up wages, I don't think it's an attitude thing at all. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 26, 2020 15:48:53 GMT
I can, because I would want play each week for the club I signed for. If that's not going happen, I'd drop a league or change country if needed and come back stronger for a different Prem club. Player's like Debruyne get it right, that's because they have brilliant attitudes to being sucessful. Dropping leagues and changing countries is exactly what he's doing - just on long loans rather than permanently, which is the way Chelsea want it. It's not like he's sitting on the bench picking up wages, I don't think it's an attitude thing at all. He seems to be playing regularly when not injured so I don’t see the problem. Whoever happens to be his parent club is about as relevant as the identity of his agent . |
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Post by Godo on Jun 26, 2020 16:10:07 GMT
Considering his reputation when he arrived he was actually pretty anonymous for us. He appears to have been injury prone for most of his career (had a reasonable run of games at PSV a couple of seasons ago ). I agree the only surprise is that Chelsea would seek to renew his contract.
There's a lot of wasters who sign big contracts e.g. Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino etc who then haven't the professional pride to ever apply themselves properly to their careers whether at their parent clubs or when out on loan. We seem to have accumulated a lot more than our fair share of these type of players over the last 3-4 seasons!
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Post by tejstokie on Jun 26, 2020 18:38:11 GMT
Chaulk another to the pile of "could have been" blah blah.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2020 18:40:18 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_GinkelOn 24 September 2013 in a League Cup match against Swindon Town, Van Ginkel suffered an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury that kept him out of play for around seven months
On 10 July 2018, van Ginkel had an operation to reconstruct his anterior cruciate ligament and treat damage in his knee, and expected to be out for around eight monthsHmmm Epitome of bad luck |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 29, 2020 6:56:58 GMT
I can, because I would want play each week for the club I signed for. If that's not going happen, I'd drop a league or change country if needed and come back stronger for a different Prem club. Player's like Debruyne get it right, that's because they have brilliant attitudes to being sucessful. Dropping leagues and changing countries is exactly what he's doing - just on long loans rather than permanently, which is the way Chelsea want it. It's not like he's sitting on the bench picking up wages, I don't think it's an attitude thing at all. I understand your point, but he's being doing this for 10 years. He's not going make it at Chelsea is he? It's not like Beckham or Scholes going out on loan. He's a career loanee. He'll never feel truly part of team with what he's doing now. Might not be his attitude. May be poor advice, or just wants Chelsea wages. Either way he'll finish football without 300 apps for a club. His Wiki page will look stupid, what will he say when grandkids ask who he played for? |
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 29, 2020 7:06:16 GMT
He was about one inch away from solidifying himself as a Stoke legend (Liverpool league cup semi final second leg) Imagine the limbs on the night if that had of hit the back of the net. Doesn’t bare thinking about. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 29, 2020 7:29:24 GMT
He was about one inch away from solidifying himself as a Stoke legend (Liverpool league cup semi final second leg) Imagine the limbs on the night if that had of hit the back of the net. Doesn’t bare thinking about. What a moment it was. I can't believe we don't discuss it more. It's etched in to my psyche. I can't stop playing it back in my minds eye. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 8:10:15 GMT
He was about one inch away from solidifying himself as a Stoke legend (Liverpool league cup semi final second leg) The turning point of Sparkys tenure many argue, although if you say it then a 10 page debate ensues! Either way it was one heck of a moment in our history, Wembley beckoned and what a scalp Liverpool at Anfield would have been to get there. That night was the definite 'line in the sand' moment. He never got us going again after that. I initially put it down to our player's deflation after the defeat, but it's lasted ever since. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 29, 2020 8:57:21 GMT
What an odd career this guy is having. Never close to playing for his parent club. A series of loans where the motivation to impress doesn’t seem enough. Seems a waste. Like umpteen of their stockpiled squad. The most obvious one was Michael Hector. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 29, 2020 13:13:28 GMT
Dropping leagues and changing countries is exactly what he's doing - just on long loans rather than permanently, which is the way Chelsea want it. It's not like he's sitting on the bench picking up wages, I don't think it's an attitude thing at all. I understand your point, but he's being doing this for 10 years. He's not going make it at Chelsea is he? It's not like Beckham or Scholes going out on loan. He's a career loanee. He'll never feel truly part of team with what he's doing now. Might not be his attitude. May be poor advice, or just wants Chelsea wages. Either way he'll finish football without 300 apps for a club. His Wiki page will look stupid, what will he say when grandkids ask who he played for? It’s a strange way for a career to unfold. But I’d imagine his grandkids will be proud that their granddad was a professional footballer who played in several of Europe’s top leagues - I don’t suppose they’ll be too fussed about the technicalities of his contract 🙂 |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 29, 2020 17:25:48 GMT
I understand your point, but he's being doing this for 10 years. He's not going make it at Chelsea is he? It's not like Beckham or Scholes going out on loan. He's a career loanee. He'll never feel truly part of team with what he's doing now. Might not be his attitude. May be poor advice, or just wants Chelsea wages. Either way he'll finish football without 300 apps for a club. His Wiki page will look stupid, what will he say when grandkids ask who he played for? It’s a strange way for a career to unfold. But I’d imagine his grandkids will be proud that their granddad was a professional footballer who played in several of Europe’s top leagues - I don’t suppose they’ll be too fussed about the technicalities of his contract 🙂 Well it's not contract technicalitiee they'll talk about is it. "Wow grandad you played 10 years for Chelsea you must have loads of medals, they were ace." "Well..... I only played 2 games, but I did go on loan to Stoke" "Who?" |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 29, 2020 18:15:04 GMT
It’s a strange way for a career to unfold. But I’d imagine his grandkids will be proud that their granddad was a professional footballer who played in several of Europe’s top leagues - I don’t suppose they’ll be too fussed about the technicalities of his contract 🙂 Well it's not contract technicalitiee they'll talk about is it. "Wow grandad you played 10 years for Chelsea you must have loads of medals, they were ace." "Well..... I only played 2 games, but I did go on loan to Stoke" "Who?" Well assuming his grandkids are Dutch, they’ll probably more interested in his two Eredivisie titles with PSV. He’s had an ok career at a good level and won a couple of medals, I think you’re fixating far too much on the fact that he happens to have been contracted to Chelsea the whole time. It obviously suits him and the club, what difference does it make. Anyway I can’t believe we’re squabbling about the content of a hypothetical conversation between Marco van Ginkel and his future grandchildren 😂 |
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Post by baystokie on Jun 29, 2020 18:24:35 GMT
Dropping leagues and changing countries is exactly what he's doing - just on long loans rather than permanently, which is the way Chelsea want it. It's not like he's sitting on the bench picking up wages, I don't think it's an attitude thing at all. I understand your point, but he's being doing this for 10 years. He's not going make it at Chelsea is he? It's not like Beckham or Scholes going out on loan. He's a career loanee. He'll never feel truly part of team with what he's doing now. Might not be his attitude. May be poor advice, or just wants Chelsea wages. Either way he'll finish football without 300 apps for a club. His Wiki page will look stupid, what will he say when grandkids ask who he played for? He'll have more to say than you or I or many on here  |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 29, 2020 18:28:46 GMT
Wasn’t Van Ginkel bought (loaned) to replace N’Zonzi.
A very typical Hughes signing. Rather than scouring the championship for players like James Maddison, Hughes reverts to type sand goes for a foreign player who hasn’t quite made it with a big club.
He got it right with Arnautovic and Bojan and even to a lesser degree Shaqiri but there were so many more times he got it wrong. Van Ginkel, Jese, Wollschied, Choupa Moting, Bony and Imbula were inferior replacements in my book.
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2020 18:55:00 GMT
Wasn’t Van Ginkel bought (loaned) to replace N’Zonzi. A very typical Hughes signing. Rather than scouring the championship for players like James Maddison, Hughes reverts to type sand goes for a foreign player who hasn’t quite made it with a big club. He got it right with Arnautovic and Bojan and even to a lesser degree Shaqiri but there were so many more times he got it wrong. Van Ginkel, Jese, Wollschied, Choupa Moting, Bony and Imbula were inferior replacements in my book. Should always be a balance I think Quality from abroad here, up and and coming Championship player there, experienced Premier League signing with some youngsters coming through too. Strikes me very few Premier League clubs get the mix right. Stoke certainly didn't. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 29, 2020 19:03:05 GMT
Well it's not contract technicalitiee they'll talk about is it. "Wow grandad you played 10 years for Chelsea you must have loads of medals, they were ace." "Well..... I only played 2 games, but I did go on loan to Stoke" "Who?" Well assuming his grandkids are Dutch, they’ll probably more interested in his two Eredivisie titles with PSV. He’s had an ok career at a good level and won a couple of medals, I think you’re fixating far too much on the fact that he happens to have been contracted to Chelsea the whole time. It obviously suits him and the club, what difference does it make. Anyway I can’t believe we’re squabbling about the content of a hypothetical conversation between Marco van Ginkel and his future grandchildren 😂[/quote  Is this a 5 minute argument, or the full half hour? 😂 |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 29, 2020 19:15:44 GMT
Wasn’t Van Ginkel bought (loaned) to replace N’Zonzi. A very typical Hughes signing. Rather than scouring the championship for players like James Maddison, Hughes reverts to type sand goes for a foreign player who hasn’t quite made it with a big club. He got it right with Arnautovic and Bojan and even to a lesser degree Shaqiri but there were so many more times he got it wrong. Van Ginkel, Jese, Wollschied, Choupa Moting, Bony and Imbula were inferior replacements in my book. Should always be a balance I think Quality from abroad here, up and and coming Championship player there, experienced Premier League signing with some youngsters coming through too. Strikes me very few Premier League clubs get the mix right. Stoke certainly didn't. definitely and some of the biggest clubs have got that balance just about right The successful Utd squad of the 90s and early 00s had the balance of the likes of Neville, Ferdinand, Scholes and Keane etc mixed with the likes of Van Niistelrooy, Ronaldo and Staam. Chelsea had Terry and Lampard mixed with the likes of Hazard and Drobga. Even City had Milner and Lescott mixed in, and of course Liverpool mixed in Henderson and Robertson with Salah and Firmino. While we mixed Criouchie and Charlie with Imbula and Berahino 😂 |
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