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Post by partickpotter on Jul 5, 2020 8:36:54 GMT
F1 ain’t my thing. But it will be interesting in one regards this afternoon - how do drivers show their support for BLM. It seems there ain’t a common agreement a la football on the gesture ( link).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 5, 2020 8:46:31 GMT
F1 ain’t my thing. But it will be interesting in one regards this afternoon - how do drivers show their support for BLM. It seems there ain’t a common agreement a la football on the gesture ( link). I like the way they’re stepping away from BLM but still putting the right message accross in respect to diversity. That’s how it should be. I think unfortunately the kneel now will be always associated with BLM and not just the fight against racism so I’d look for something different. Certainly in the case of football something like a group huddle encompassing all players to show unity would be a great shout.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 5, 2020 8:49:13 GMT
F1 ain’t my thing. But it will be interesting in one regards this afternoon - how do drivers show their support for BLM. It seems there ain’t a common agreement a la football on the gesture ( link). I like the way they’re stepping away from BLM but still putting the right message accross in respect to diversity. That’s how it should be. I think unfortunately the kneel now will be always associated with BLM and not just the fight against racism so I’d look for something different. Certainly in the case of football something like a group huddle encompassing all players to show unity would be a great shout. All except Hamilton who seems to be a bit vocal on his racing mates.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 5, 2020 8:49:16 GMT
F1 ain’t my thing. But it will be interesting in one regards this afternoon - how do drivers show their support for BLM. It seems there ain’t a common agreement a la football on the gesture ( link). There are some memeS doing the rounds about Lewis Hamilton moaning. The one where is colour got him the sponsorships and breaks other equally talented kids did not get The other with him with a padlock round his neck highlighting his nom Dom status in Monaco along with Mercedes and Hugo Boss involvement with the NAZIs There will be some half truths in there on both sides
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2020 9:28:19 GMT
They should of sent the riot squads in from the start and battered the fuck out of anything that moved They should be treating these dick heads like the miners were treated whilst on strike.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 5, 2020 9:58:23 GMT
We didn't have the clothing options when I was in the job, it was shirt,tunic, truncheon and that was it. We did have the SPG though and they sure as hell didn't take any prisoners. OK they were criticised a bit but they got the job done (if you get my drift) and crowds soon dispersed because they were shit scared of them. They just didn't care about social stance, skin colour or anything, if you were causing trouble you had reason to be afraid. This was Notting Hill. I think the SPG merited criticism. The murder of Blair Peach tells a story of an organisation out of control. Where we are today in terms of policing is unacceptable, but the SPG is not the solution. It was always part of the problem. That said - I’ve no idea how to fix things!! I agree, the SPG almost became a law unto themselves and what happened re Blair Peach was unforgivable but knowing that in an operational situation there was a dedicated unit that could be called upon to either assist or be nearby in case situations escalated beyond the control of your shift was useful. In my time we only ever needed them once and that decision was taken at superintendent level (I think).
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 5, 2020 10:29:36 GMT
I think the SPG merited criticism. The murder of Blair Peach tells a story of an organisation out of control. Where we are today in terms of policing is unacceptable, but the SPG is not the solution. It was always part of the problem. That said - I’ve no idea how to fix things!! I agree, the SPG almost became a law unto themselves and what happened re Blair Peach was unforgivable but knowing that in an operational situation there was a dedicated unit that could be called upon to either assist or be nearby in case situations escalated beyond the control of your shift was useful. In my time we only ever needed them once and that decision was taken at superintendent level (I think). Things have changed now and I dont think those situations could or would happen today. Saying that it was a sad day when our Blue V8 carriers disappeared to be replaced by Sprinters. TSG nowdays are civilised although still a bit scary to spend time with they used to love punching each other for fun and I mean punching 😬
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 10:36:21 GMT
So why is the Riot squad not being used,?. And that gathering could have been stopped before it got to that stage I fail to see how gatherings can be stopped before getting too many in one place, these gatherings are pre arranged and impossible to police, in the current situation these idiot’s will spoil everyone getting out of lockdown The cops would have reports from locals that a crowd is starting to gather put a music tent up etc, and the local grass would be telling the cops. So they should have got in early broke it up and maintained a presence
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 5, 2020 10:42:46 GMT
They should of sent the riot squads in from the start and battered the fuck out of anything that moved They should be treating these dick heads like the miners were treated whilst on strike. You're an imbecile.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 5, 2020 10:59:19 GMT
I fail to see how gatherings can be stopped before getting too many in one place, these gatherings are pre arranged and impossible to police, in the current situation these idiot’s will spoil everyone getting out of lockdown The cops would have reports from locals that a crowd is starting to gather put a music tent up etc, and the local grass would be telling the cops. So they should have got in early broke it up and maintained a presence It was obvious that crowd were aggressive and spoiling for a fight and the locals were most likely the ones organising so would not have given an early indication. Regardless of that, the numbers involved would have required a significant resource to break it up early and they would have had to go in mob handed and heavy which is not something the police would do, nor is it what the majority expect them to do. The general public do not want to see the police steaming in and battering people before questions are asked. Had they done this it would have been portrayed as over the top and no doubt racially motivated. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your viewpoint, there is often a bit of backwards and forwards and gradual escalation before force is used. There is also the consideration of that powers they had...putting a tent up and playing music is not necessarily a criminal offence and the police have to behave lawfully. Whether it constituted a rave is debatable as whilst it looks darker, I don’t think it was night..maybe twilight. I imagine they attended the report with a view of assessing and attempting to negotiate with the persons present before they were turned upon and decided to withdraw. It just isn’t that simple to say they do as you suggested. Had they done so it probably have resulted in even wider disorder, injuries and a potential powder keg for more widespread activity.....many don’t need an excuse and this would have been perfect for them to legitimise their activity. These are the things the police get criticised for as being heavy handed so they couldn’t really win either way.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 11:06:40 GMT
The cops would have reports from locals that a crowd is starting to gather put a music tent up etc, and the local grass would be telling the cops. So they should have got in early broke it up and maintained a presence It was obvious that crowd were aggressive and spoiling for a fight and the locals were most likely the ones organising so would not have given an early indication. Regardless of that, the numbers involved would have required a significant resource to break it up early and they would have had to go in mob handed and heavy which is not something the police would do, nor is it what the majority expect them to do. The general public do not want to see the police steaming in and battering people before questions are asked. Had they done this it would have been portrayed as over the top and no doubt racially motivated. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your viewpoint, there is often a bit of backwards and forwards and gradual escalation before force is used. There is also the consideration of that powers they had...putting a tent up and playing music is not necessarily a criminal offence and the police have to behave lawfully. Whether it constituted a rave is debatable as whilst it looks darker, I don’t think it was night..maybe twilight. I imagine they attended the report with a view of assessing and attempting to negotiate with the persons present before they were turned upon and decided to withdraw. It just isn’t that simple to say they do as you suggested. Had they done so it probably have resulted in even wider disorder, injuries and a potential powder keg for more widespread activity.....many don’t need an excuse and this would have been perfect for them to legitimise their activity. These are the things the police get criticised for as being heavy handed so they couldn’t really win either way. Rubbish. The cops would have probably known for days this was going to happen. Park a van full at the entrance early and stay dispersing any gatherings. There would be a majority living there that didn't want this party and would have reported it
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 11:07:36 GMT
I agree, the SPG almost became a law unto themselves and what happened re Blair Peach was unforgivable but knowing that in an operational situation there was a dedicated unit that could be called upon to either assist or be nearby in case situations escalated beyond the control of your shift was useful. In my time we only ever needed them once and that decision was taken at superintendent level (I think). Things have changed now and I dont think those situations could or would happen today. Saying that it was a sad day when our Blue V8 carriers disappeared to be replaced by Sprinters. TSG nowdays are civilised although still a bit scary to spend time with they used to love punching each other for fun and I mean punching 😬 A out of control squad is no good either
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Post by thevoid on Jul 5, 2020 11:15:52 GMT
Black cabs next on the list according to the evening standard But...they are cabs that are black? Just as NYC cabs are yellow cabs. The colour is merely an aid to description 😂
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 5, 2020 11:30:39 GMT
Things have changed now and I dont think those situations could or would happen today. Saying that it was a sad day when our Blue V8 carriers disappeared to be replaced by Sprinters. TSG nowdays are civilised although still a bit scary to spend time with they used to love punching each other for fun and I mean punching 😬 A out of control squad is no good either You've lost me I've not said they are.
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Post by lommack on Jul 5, 2020 11:52:02 GMT
Can anyone hear an echo in here?
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Post by thevoid on Jul 5, 2020 11:55:22 GMT
Can anyone hear an echo in here? Not really but feel free to chip in with a meaningful contribution!
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Post by lommack on Jul 5, 2020 11:58:09 GMT
Can anyone hear an echo in here? Not really but feel free to chip in with a meaningful contribution! Release the hounds!
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Post by thevoid on Jul 5, 2020 12:00:11 GMT
Mmm...D-
Can do better!
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Post by lommack on Jul 5, 2020 12:07:30 GMT
Was it the cultural enrichment tread where a number of "characters" felt comfortable enough, in that particular echo chamber, to let there guard down? Do continue
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Post by steve66 on Jul 5, 2020 12:09:54 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful. This should be main news and people from this local community should be speaking out about how it's unacceptable. Totally agree on that point, they could create a movement and cause widespread mayhem, collect money, give it a stupid name, oh hang on that’s already been done silly me.....
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2020 12:18:30 GMT
Things have changed now and I dont think those situations could or would happen today. Saying that it was a sad day when our Blue V8 carriers disappeared to be replaced by Sprinters. TSG nowdays are civilised although still a bit scary to spend time with they used to love punching each other for fun and I mean punching 😬 A out of control squad is no good either An out of control mob is potentially a hell of a lot worse, the government have to get tough with these animals if the Police can not cope or will not cope then the military need deploying with a free hand tom do whatever it takes to restore law and order, All lives matter
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 5, 2020 12:26:13 GMT
A out of control squad is no good either An out of control mob is potentially a hell of a lot worse, the government have to get tough with these animals if the Police can not cope or will not cope then the military need deploying with a free hand tom do whatever it takes to restore law and order, All lives matter Christ it gets fucking worse.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 12:32:06 GMT
A out of control squad is no good either An out of control mob is potentially a hell of a lot worse, the government have to get tough with these animals if the Police can not cope or will not cope then the military need deploying with a free hand tom do whatever it takes to restore law and order, All lives matter Crazy, Out of control army personnel who don't know how to cope in those types of situations , far worse and there is evidence every where
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 12:33:09 GMT
A out of control squad is no good either You've lost me I've not said they are. Didn't say you did
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2020 12:45:40 GMT
Was it the cultural enrichment tread where a number of "characters" felt comfortable enough, in that particular echo chamber, to let there guard down? Do continue Their guard down !
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2020 12:47:24 GMT
An out of control mob is potentially a hell of a lot worse, the government have to get tough with these animals if the Police can not cope or will not cope then the military need deploying with a free hand tom do whatever it takes to restore law and order, All lives matter Crazy, Out of control army personnel who don't know how to cope in those types of situations , far worse and there is evidence every where Out of control military personnel to control a violent mob of criminals sounds ok to me.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 5, 2020 12:49:10 GMT
Crazy, Out of control army personnel who don't know how to cope in those types of situations , far worse and there is evidence every where Out of control military personnel to control a violent mob of criminals sounds ok to me. They might come out second best
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2020 12:56:28 GMT
Out of control military personnel to control a violent mob of criminals sounds ok to me. They might come out second best of course they would soft lad.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 5, 2020 12:56:30 GMT
An out of control mob is potentially a hell of a lot worse, the government have to get tough with these animals if the Police can not cope or will not cope then the military need deploying with a free hand tom do whatever it takes to restore law and order, All lives matter Christ it gets fucking worse. It’s going to get even more Momo. There’s going to be a tragedy over the summer when one of these knobheads pulls a gun and shoots a police officer. I really don’t know what the answer is. Leaders appealing to their communities hasn’t worked, softly softly coppering has arguably made it worse, politicians playing ostriches etc etc. What would your solution be?,
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 5, 2020 13:00:08 GMT
Christ it gets fucking worse. It’s going to get even more Momo. There’s going to be a tragedy over the summer when one of these knobheads pulls a gun and shoots a police officer. I really don’t know what the answer is. Leaders appealing to their communities hasn’t worked, softly softly coppering has arguably made it worse, politicians playing ostriches etc etc. What would your solution be?, Certainly not the criminally insane idea of bringing in an armed militia!
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