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Post by Orbs on Jul 1, 2020 9:27:41 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. Where's this happened?
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Post by foster on Jul 1, 2020 9:35:05 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. Where's this happened? In this thread.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 1, 2020 9:41:27 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say...
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Post by foster on Jul 1, 2020 9:56:11 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... Here's the article - same content... www.spectator.co.uk/article/racial-division-is-being-sown-in-the-name-of-anti-racism-it-s-time-to-speak-out
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2020 10:08:09 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... That's excellent Partick, a way forward, in my opinin, everything we have seen recently is divisive, hatred and destructive......but serves a political purpose....those suffering are......ordinary black and white people who just want to get on with their lives....what about Knives, jobs, mental health etc
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2020 10:29:17 GMT
Don't divide us
What is there to disagree about there aims and principles
Unless of course you stand to gain by sowing hate and confusion
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Post by Orbs on Jul 1, 2020 10:30:13 GMT
Blimey - that does sound bonkers.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 1, 2020 11:27:25 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... That last part could have been written by starkiller who posts on here in fairness…… Hes mentioned similar issues to these
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 1, 2020 11:53:25 GMT
Your right Foz weve all got similar stories about mates, we had two Michael's in our group 30yrs ago and genuinely one was Black Mick the other White Mick when we were together. Now note not "black" Mick and Mick but "white" Mick. I'd definitely say 'less appropriate.' Why? Black Mick worked at Hem Heath and had the typical scars, eyes of a miner and was white and white Mick had red hair and freckles and was as pale as Casper just an easy way to differentiate between them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2020 11:59:33 GMT
I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... That's excellent Partick, a way forward, in my opinin, everything we have seen recently is divisive, hatred and destructive......but serves a political purpose....those suffering are......ordinary black and white people who just want to get on with their lives....what about Knives, jobs, mental health etc 2 excellent posts bang on the money
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2020 12:13:22 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... I’d be interested to know Momo and Orbs thoughts on this, This is a great summary of what a lot on here are saying that have had the R word thrown at them or suggested.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 1, 2020 12:22:38 GMT
Concepts like white privilege promote a victim mentality and it should be obvious to anyone with a bit of sense as to why that’s not a good thing. Racism absolutely still exists but when you’ve got people claiming that because 4 out of 5 people wanted to go to a pub to discuss things but the other didn’t that’s somehow systemic racism then it’s clear to me that the waters have become muddied somewhere. In order to be able to fix whatever needs fixing we need to be able to accurately identify the issues with a nuanced discussion but as a society we’re failing on this front at the moment. I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... Patrick. I am glad you posted that. I feel a lot more sane knowing people are starting to look at this hysteria in a more logical way. We are being played for fools but that message is shining a light.
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Post by foster on Jul 1, 2020 12:26:25 GMT
I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... I’d be interested to know Momo and Orbs thoughts on this, This is a great summary of what a lot on here are saying that have had the R word thrown at them or suggested. Interesting to note that (so far) none of those who have been vehemently championing BLM, (including Radicalised Royland) have actually 'liked' the post.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2020 12:30:56 GMT
That's excellent Partick, a way forward, in my opinin, everything we have seen recently is divisive, hatred and destructive......but serves a political purpose....those suffering are......ordinary black and white people who just want to get on with their lives....what about Knives, jobs, mental health etc 2 excellent posts bang on the money ..i see that one of the signatories to " don't divide us" is Claire Fox , Brexit Party, Academy of Ideas, Trotskyist......much of the philosophy is covered in her video that I've posted 23 times( apologies for that) " So what you are saying is....".where she discusses....being offended, identity politics, following the crowd ( " if you don't sign up for this , then you are against it"), and where the left have gone wrong.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 1, 2020 12:33:39 GMT
I’d be interested to know Momo and Orbs thoughts on this, This is a great summary of what a lot on here are saying that have had the R word thrown at them or suggested. Interesting to note that (so far) none of those who have been vehemently championing BLM, (including Radicalised Royland) have actually 'liked' the post. Well there isn't much in that statement/letter to be disagreed with. In fact there isn't anything. I just hope people are doing some independent research into BLM and gaining a deeper understanding of the tentacles they have into all sorts of other issues. They are a political organisation with many aims that I simply disagree with. I will therefore, despite being vilified for it by some, keep saying I refuse to accept them or be compelled to support them. As I keep saying keep politics and political organisations out of sport.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2020 12:52:54 GMT
Interesting to note that (so far) none of those who have been vehemently championing BLM, (including Radicalised Royland) have actually 'liked' the post. Well there isn't much in that statement/letter to be disagreed with. In fact there isn't anything. I just hope people are doing some independent research into BLM and gaining a deeper understanding of the tentacles they have into all sorts of other issues. They are a political organisation with many aims that I simply disagree with. I will therefore, despite being vilified for it by some, keep saying I refuse to accept them or be compelled to support them. As I keep saying keep politics and political organisations out of sport. And similarly Mickey, it should be kept out of some other areas of culture, arts and recreation. Most people, black and white, want to get on with their lives, dealing with the common every day struggles , without having issues and guilt thrust upon them at all times by the righteous . There's a time and place and strategy for everything. What is happening is divisive and has potentially managed to divide the football world for the worse. Some people will be revelling on it. Ever likely many people choose not to vote. Countryfile's report on BAME people in the countryside sparks racism row - Mirror Online www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/countryfiles-report-bame-people-countryside-22269357Countryfile is wrong about racism and the countryside www.spectator.co.uk/article/countryfile-countrysideAnd equally it is important that the Police are non political....they should not have taken the knee.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 1, 2020 12:56:44 GMT
I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... I’d be interested to know Momo and Orbs thoughts on this, This is a great summary of what a lot on here are saying that have had the R word thrown at them or suggested. "The right wing mentalists on here are being conned by that vile PM Boris Johnson to the point that the philandering shyster is going after another floozy to show once again that he doesnt give a shit about the BAME people" (ca. sheikmomo anno any fuckin year you care to mention) Bless him
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Post by foster on Jul 1, 2020 13:25:00 GMT
The main appeal of 'don't divide us' is to not divide us.
So maybe we can leave the Brexit/Remain and Left/Right stuff on the relevant threads.
The idea is to get everyone on the same page as far as reducing (and ending racism) is concerned, not drive them away with political point scoring.
We also oppose the opportunistic far right groups who are already exploiting this new climate of fear and disunity.
I read that as any political groups to be honest.
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Post by Orbs on Jul 1, 2020 13:37:44 GMT
Me neither... I would have thought 'quarter to three' or 'ten to two' would be more (or less) appropriate. Your right Foz weve all got similar stories about mates, we had two Michael's in our group 30yrs ago and genuinely one was Black Mick the other White Mick when we were together. Now note not "black" Mick and Mick but "white" Mick. I'd definitely say 'less appropriate.' Why? Black Mick worked at Hem Heath and had the typical scars, eyes of a miner and was white and white Mick had red hair and freckles and was as pale as Casper just an easy way to differentiate between them. I was responding to the piece in Fosters post in bold. For some reason your quote above didn't include it.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 1, 2020 13:41:57 GMT
Your right Foz weve all got similar stories about mates, we had two Michael's in our group 30yrs ago and genuinely one was Black Mick the other White Mick when we were together. Now note not "black" Mick and Mick but "white" Mick. Why? Black Mick worked at Hem Heath and had the typical scars, eyes of a miner and was white and white Mick had red hair and freckles and was as pale as Casper just an easy way to differentiate between them. I was responding to the piece in Fosters post in bold. For some reason your quote above didn't include it. That's because you quoted me not Fozzer it limits the quote to one or we would have massive posts. But thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 1, 2020 15:06:13 GMT
I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... That last part could have been written by starkiller who posts on here in fairness…… Hes mentioned similar issues to these Starkiller knows his onions.
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Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2020 15:18:29 GMT
I'm not sure we need this new 'Don't Divide Us' outfit either.
Way things are going half of us will be out of work by Xmas and the whole agenda will have moved on anyway.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 1, 2020 15:27:35 GMT
Are there any folk on here who were originally pro BLM that have now reconsidered their allegiance to the movement?
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 1, 2020 15:35:32 GMT
That last part could have been written by starkiller who posts on here in fairness…… Hes mentioned similar issues to these Starkiller knows his onions. I have just read what he said at the time and he is bang on the money, although some didn't like it.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 1, 2020 15:53:57 GMT
I'm not sure we need this new 'Don't Divide Us' outfit either. Way things are going half of us will be out of work by Xmas and the whole agenda will have moved on anyway. It’s definitely needed Gods. What we’re seeing has been in the making for years now.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 15:59:18 GMT
The video footage of Thameside Police Officers "taking the knee" to a group of "BLM" after been ordered to by their sergeant finished it for me, they are then filmed shaking hands with "BLM" protesters how can they ever be perceived as politically impartial ever again, no wonder they have lost the trust of many ordinary people in this country, their Sargent should be sacked with immediate effect, have they even researched what and who is behind the BLM organisation FFS.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 1, 2020 16:00:19 GMT
Are there any folk on here who were originally pro BLM that have now reconsidered their allegiance to the movement? Good question and I hope some have the balls and integrity to have gone and looked into the matter in more detail and admit they have been fooled.
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Post by Gods on Jul 1, 2020 16:01:29 GMT
I'm not sure we need this new 'Don't Divide Us' outfit either. Way things are going half of us will be out of work by Xmas and the whole agenda will have moved on anyway. It’s definitely needed Gods. What we’re seeing has been in the making for years now. Yes but I'm not sure 'Don't Divide Us ' is the answer, I think it might...divide us! :-) Everyone getting on and respecting one another would be best and I'm not sure that needs a campaign, more open hearts and minds
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 1, 2020 16:05:29 GMT
The video footage of Thameside Police Officers "taking the knee" to a group of "BLM" after been ordered to by their sergeant finished it for me, they are then filmed shaking hands with "BLM" protesters how can they ever be perceived as politically impartial ever again, no wonder they have lost the trust of many ordinary people in this country, their Sargent should be sacked with immediate effect, have they even researched what and who is behind the BLM organisation FFS. I don't want him sacked because that is buying into the "cancel everyone who doesn't agree with us" politics of the looney left. An acknowledgment from all these organisations; that jumped on the bandwagon trying to take us with them that they didn't think it through properly would be nice though. But they have made a very difficult situation for themselves now and its going to be interesting to see how they deal with it.
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Post by Orbs on Jul 1, 2020 16:23:44 GMT
I reckon you’d find a lot in common with this new organisation Don’t Divide UsHere’s part of what they have to say... I’d be interested to know Momo and Orbs thoughts on this, This is a great summary of what a lot on here are saying that have had the R word thrown at them or suggested. For starters - I definitely have not called anyone a racist or even thrown the R word around. That's simply not true Cobham. Your post implies to the reader that I have when it isn't the case. Secondly I've read the don't divide us page and would say that I agree with the majority of what is written but not all of it. For example, I would say it was/is offensive to have statues of the people who profited from the slave trade still on show in different towns. A plaque to show their existence so that the same thing never happens again could be placed there instead. For what it's worth I don't really agree with 'taking a knee' either.
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