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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 18:35:48 GMT
Just a quick question on people's opinion.
Bringing it back to footballers "taking the knee" and giving the black power fist prior to the game or after scoring a goal, do you think this will continue when supporters are allowed back in the ground and if so what do you predict the reaction from the stands to be?
Personally I don't agree with BLM protests including taking the knee or giving the black power fist, I imagine as a whole the majority of football fans don't either and can see a negative reception if they continue to do it when supporters finally take to the terraces again. Thoughts?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 29, 2020 18:37:27 GMT
Just a quick question on people's opinion. Bringing it back to footballers "taking the knee" and giving the black power fist prior to the game or after scoring a goal, do you think this will continue when supporters are allowed back in the ground and if so what do you predict the reaction from the stands to be? Personally I don't agree with BLM protests including taking the knee or giving the black power fist, I imagine as a whole the majority of football fans don't either and can see a negative reception if they continue to do it when supporters finally take to the terraces again. Thoughts? I don’t think fans will give a shit at the time but I’m sure there will be a thread opened up on here about it once the dust settles after the game
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 29, 2020 18:41:05 GMT
Just a quick question on people's opinion. Bringing it back to footballers "taking the knee" and giving the black power fist prior to the game or after scoring a goal, do you think this will continue when supporters are allowed back in the ground and if so what do you predict the reaction from the stands to be? Personally I don't agree with BLM protests including taking the knee or giving the black power fist, I imagine as a whole the majority of football fans don't either and can see a negative reception if they continue to do it when supporters finally take to the terraces again. Thoughts? I just wish are defenders would get off there knee once the game has started
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 29, 2020 18:42:52 GMT
Just a quick question on people's opinion. Bringing it back to footballers "taking the knee" and giving the black power fist prior to the game or after scoring a goal, do you think this will continue when supporters are allowed back in the ground and if so what do you predict the reaction from the stands to be? Personally I don't agree with BLM protests including taking the knee or giving the black power fist, I imagine as a whole the majority of football fans don't either and can see a negative reception if they continue to do it when supporters finally take to the terraces again. Thoughts? Prepare yourself for interrogation Oatcake style 😁
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Post by Orbs on Jun 29, 2020 18:51:44 GMT
Just a quick question on people's opinion. Bringing it back to footballers "taking the knee" and giving the black power fist prior to the game or after scoring a goal, do you think this will continue when supporters are allowed back in the ground and if so what do you predict the reaction from the stands to be? Personally I don't agree with BLM protests including taking the knee or giving the black power fist, I imagine as a whole the majority of football fans don't either and can see a negative reception if they continue to do it when supporters finally take to the terraces again. Thoughts? Obviously, the reaction from the teams fans that has conceded the goal will be pretty hostile as any form of celebration/goading by the scoring team tends to be. If Stoke score then I can imagine that we will be going that mental that no-one will notice what the celebrating players are doing. No doubt a thread will appear after the highlights have been broadcast and more folk have a had a chance to see the celebration. In terms of BLM, taking the knee and the BP fist then I think that the game has made the point for long enough now.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 29, 2020 19:08:02 GMT
When we said “defund the police” we didn’t actually mean it
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Post by salopstick on Jun 29, 2020 19:19:41 GMT
To be fair Orbs, you are the one that keeps bringing everything back to colour and race. African doesn't mean black. It means people from Africa. This includes north Africans who are mainly not black. There's absolutely nothing wrong in wondering about a player's ability to play in winter if he has limited experience in that environment. The same would apply to anyone in any sport playing in an environment they're not accustomed to. The MOD has carried out research that finds that soldiers recruited from the commonwealth specifically the Caribbean Africa and Fiji are up to 30 times more likely to suffer from non freezing cold injuries (NFCI) than white servicemen. They did get done not for discrimination but for failing to realise this when carrying out training. The rules on kit etc are much more stringent now after compensation claims. So yes certain ethnic groups could suffer more in British winters than other groups.
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Post by Orbs on Jun 29, 2020 20:06:35 GMT
To be fair Orbs, you are the one that keeps bringing everything back to colour and race. African doesn't mean black. It means people from Africa. This includes north Africans who are mainly not black. There's absolutely nothing wrong in wondering about a player's ability to play in winter if he has limited experience in that environment. The same would apply to anyone in any sport playing in an environment they're not accustomed to. The MOD has carried out research that finds that soldiers recruited from the commonwealth specifically the Caribbean Africa and Fiji are up to 30 times more likely to suffer from non freezing cold injuries (NFCI) than white servicemen. They did get done not for discrimination but for failing to realise this when carrying out training. The rules on kit etc are much more stringent now after compensation claims. So yes certain ethnic groups could suffer more in British winters than other groups. That's interesting but not the point I was trying to (evidently poorly) make.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:09:50 GMT
When we said “defund the police” we didn’t actually mean it Sooooo don't defund the police then...?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 29, 2020 20:17:04 GMT
When we said “defund the police” we didn’t actually mean it I would be happy to fund all those things. Invest in the youth of every colour. I would also encourage the people in there areas black white what ever to invest in themselves, invest in their kids invest in their communities
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2020 20:46:26 GMT
When we said “defund the police” we didn’t actually mean it I would be happy to fund all those things. Invest in the youth of every colour. I would also encourage the people in there areas black white what ever to invest in themselves, invest in their kids invest in their communities Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 29, 2020 20:49:16 GMT
I would be happy to fund all those things. Invest in the youth of every colour. I would also encourage the people in there areas black white what ever to invest in themselves, invest in their kids invest in their communities Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects. Which is correct you just wonder they didnt push that narrative rather then the "defund the Police" one 🤷♂️
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 29, 2020 20:55:32 GMT
Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects. Which is correct you just wonder they didnt push that narrative rather then the "defund the Police" one 🤷♂️ I think that’s obvious🤔
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2020 20:57:00 GMT
Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects. Which is correct you just wonder they didnt push that narrative rather then the "defund the Police" one 🤷♂️ Which makes me think is defunding the Police more important to them than funding local initiatives which is definitely the way forward.
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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2020 21:08:14 GMT
Which is correct you just wonder they didnt push that narrative rather then the "defund the Police" one 🤷♂️ Which makes me think is defunding the Police more important to them than funding local initiatives which is definitely the way forward. More police funding and more police. Plus more funding for local initiatives and loads more community service imo.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2020 4:21:11 GMT
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Post by foster on Jun 30, 2020 6:04:08 GMT
Last time I was in the UK I actually went to that area and walked past the museum. It was closed, otherwise I would have liked to have gone in. www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11983852/graffiti-yob-no-regrets/Clearly he should (at a minimum) be made to pay for the damages, issue a public apology and perform community service cleaning up rough neigbourhoods, mainly graffiti. Does this mean we need to start forgetting British history and literature as though it never happened? No more Scrooge (A Christmas Carol) at Christmas? Fuck that. BLM is fast becoming a joke with all these twats trying to outdo each other in the 'let's find the most outrageous thing to be outraged by' stakes. The stupidity of the seemingly mainly white people seeking attention and trying to identify with the cause on a personal level is turning it into a laughing stock. 'I'm not black and can't claim to have been discriminated against, so I'll fit in by displaying faux outrage at something from 200 years ago'... Pathetic. The initial sentiment to end racism is good, but the divisive nature of BLM and the extremists within the group ruining it for everyone else is going to lead to it's downfall imo. Hopefully then it will be replaced with a new all-inclusive movement for everyone, that isn't based on an outdated ideology and doesn't try to eradicate history.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2020 6:37:43 GMT
Last time I was in the UK I actually went to that area and walked past the museum. It was closed, otherwise I would have liked to have gone in. www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11983852/graffiti-yob-no-regrets/Clearly he should (at a minimum) be made to pay for the damages, issue a public apology and perform community service cleaning up rough neigbourhoods, mainly graffiti. Does this mean we need to start forgetting British history and literature as though it never happened? No more Scrooge (A Christmas Carol) at Christmas? Fuck that. BLM is fast becoming a joke with all these twats trying to outdo each other in the 'let's find the most outrageous thing to be outraged by' stakes. The stupidity of the seemingly mainly white people seeking attention and trying to identify with the cause on a personal level is turning it into a laughing stock. 'I'm not black and can't claim to have been discriminated against, so I'll fit in by displaying faux outrage at something from 200 years ago'... Pathetic. The initial sentiment to end racism is good, but the divisive nature of BLM and the extremists within the group ruining it for everyone else is going to lead to it's downfall imo. Hopefully then it will be replaced with a new all-inclusive movement for everyone, that isn't based on an outdated ideology and doesn't try to eradicate history. My view Foster would be that we should ADD to what we have got , in terms of telling the story other perspectives on " our " history. I didn't know where the phrase " is that the real McCoy ?" came from.
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Post by chad on Jun 30, 2020 6:50:50 GMT
Last time I was in the UK I actually went to that area and walked past the museum. It was closed, otherwise I would have liked to have gone in. www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11983852/graffiti-yob-no-regrets/Clearly he should (at a minimum) be made to pay for the damages, issue a public apology and perform community service cleaning up rough neigbourhoods, mainly graffiti. Does this mean we need to start forgetting British history and literature as though it never happened? No more Scrooge (A Christmas Carol) at Christmas? Fuck that. BLM is fast becoming a joke with all these twats trying to outdo each other in the 'let's find the most outrageous thing to be outraged by' stakes. The stupidity of the seemingly mainly white people seeking attention and trying to identify with the cause on a personal level is turning it into a laughing stock. 'I'm not black and can't claim to have been discriminated against, so I'll fit in by displaying faux outrage at something from 200 years ago'... Pathetic. The initial sentiment to end racism is good, but the divisive nature of BLM and the extremists within the group ruining it for everyone else is going to lead to it's downfall imo. Hopefully then it will be replaced with a new all-inclusive movement for everyone, that isn't based on an outdated ideology and doesn't try to eradicate history. Very well summed up mate
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Post by Orbs on Jun 30, 2020 7:11:51 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 30, 2020 7:12:20 GMT
Interesting chart from the BBC showing how many BAME workers work in the NHS as doctors and nurses but not, however, in ambulances. I wonder why that is - BAME people aren’t good at driving? Maybe UNISON could shine a light. Maybe not,
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2020 7:40:31 GMT
Which makes me think is defunding the Police more important to them than funding local initiatives which is definitely the way forward. More police funding and more police. Plus more funding for local initiatives and loads more community service imo. 10 years of wicked Tory Austerity defunded both.
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Post by foster on Jun 30, 2020 7:48:30 GMT
"If you're describing two types of players, one is white and one is black, and they are both doing exactly the same thing and yet for the black player you are picking up on the negative side of it and for the white player it's the positive side, what I mean by that is a black player will be perceived as having pace and power and aggression, and a white player will have ingenuity and creativity and determination, different traits, when it could be the reverse." Not sure how that's negative, but are there any examples of two players doing the exact same thing and being described differently? Or have they just picked up on all commentaries and made something out of it without actually looking at the individual players traits themselves? I'm pretty sure the likes of Kante, Rashford, Mane, Sane, Sterling, Mahrez (BAME), etc. get pretty good reviews when it comes to intelligent and skillful play. Thierry Henry certainly did.
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Post by Orbs on Jun 30, 2020 7:56:37 GMT
"If you're describing two types of players, one is white and one is black, and they are both doing exactly the same thing and yet for the black player you are picking up on the negative side of it and for the white player it's the positive side, what I mean by that is a black player will be perceived as having pace and power and aggression, and a white player will have ingenuity and creativity and determination, different traits, when it could be the reverse." Not sure how that's negative, but are there any examples of two players doing the exact same thing and being described differently? Or have they just picked up on all commentaries and made something out of it without actually looking at the individual players traits themselves? I'm pretty sure the likes of Kante, Rashford, Mane, Sane, Sterling, Mahrez (BAME), etc. get pretty good reviews when it comes to intelligent and skillful play. Thierry Henry certainly did. I read it as they've just analysed what the commentators said during the games. The 'pace, power and aggression' comments aren't negative on their own but they are certainly less favourable when compared with 'ingenuity, creativity and determination.' The next paragraph was interesting as it indicates to a longer term issue: Lee added: "I think it's damaging in the long term because when players leave their playing career and they go into coaching or managing, or want to be seen in a more positive light, people will have already built up this perception because for 10 or 20 years all you've heard of is that person is quick, powerful and aggressive, and you've not heard they are actually intellectual, articulate and [have] a quite different set of skills."Possibly the unconscious bias I mentioned yesterday.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 30, 2020 8:17:51 GMT
I would be happy to fund all those things. Invest in the youth of every colour. I would also encourage the people in there areas black white what ever to invest in themselves, invest in their kids invest in their communities Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects. Id sooner they spent the money on more real police willing to do a real job and not pussuy footing around the young Arseholes Just because you're bored is no need to break the law Just because you're being brought up by a single parent Is no excuse to break the law Just because you're poor is no need to break the law Just because you have been indoctrinated by faux outrage is not a excuse to break the law Stop making excuses for the poor little lambs They need a hard sharp shock and if that doesn't work remove them from society
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Post by foster on Jun 30, 2020 8:21:16 GMT
"If you're describing two types of players, one is white and one is black, and they are both doing exactly the same thing and yet for the black player you are picking up on the negative side of it and for the white player it's the positive side, what I mean by that is a black player will be perceived as having pace and power and aggression, and a white player will have ingenuity and creativity and determination, different traits, when it could be the reverse." Not sure how that's negative, but are there any examples of two players doing the exact same thing and being described differently? Or have they just picked up on all commentaries and made something out of it without actually looking at the individual players traits themselves? I'm pretty sure the likes of Kante, Rashford, Mane, Sane, Sterling, Mahrez (BAME), etc. get pretty good reviews when it comes to intelligent and skillful play. Thierry Henry certainly did. I read it as they've just analysed what the commentators said during the games. The 'pace, power and aggression' comments aren't negative on their own but they are certainly less favourable when compared with 'ingenuity, creativity and determination.' The next paragraph was interesting as it indicates to a longer term issue: Lee added: "I think it's damaging in the long term because when players leave their playing career and they go into coaching or managing, or want to be seen in a more positive light, people will have already built up this perception because for 10 or 20 years all you've heard of is that person is quick, powerful and aggressive, and you've not heard they are actually intellectual, articulate and [have] a quite different set of skills."Possibly the unconscious bias I mentioned yesterday. Players seem to be accurately described imo but it's something I'll pay more attention to. The issue with these kind of surveys is that you can always find something if you look hard enough or omit crucial information.. In relation to intelligence and work ethic, more than 60% of praise was aimed at players with a lighter skin tone.Is that on average or in total? Because if it's in total then it's normal based on the split between black and white players I'd assume. There was also certain attributes that were brought up more often for those with darker skin tones, including form.This is probably related to the British winter debate of yesterday and there's a simple, relevant and non-racist explanation for it.
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Post by foster on Jun 30, 2020 8:53:41 GMT
Interesting chart from the BBC showing how many BAME workers work in the NHS as doctors and nurses but not, however, in ambulances. View AttachmentI wonder why that is - BAME people aren’t good at driving? Maybe UNISON could shine a light. Maybe not, There are so many different ways of interpreting this chart depending on your own perspective. It's so easy to make it look discriminatory against both BAME and white people. Nurses Seems evenly balanced. Not that it would be an issue if it were more or less either way. Doctors- The BAME % is far too high and does not reflect the population, it's clearly 'positive' discrimination gone OTT or evidence of systemic racism against white people in the medical profession. All these foreigners coming here and taking the top jobs. The NHS has a lot to answer for. #DefundtheNHS AmbulanceNot enough BAME here, why? Is the sight of a white medic more comforting than a BAME one? Is it because the last thing you want someone who's just suffered a stroke to think when a BAME medic arrives is 'Fuck, just my luck. Just had a heart attack and now I'm about to get mugged as well'. Then again, maybe it's because they assume BAME people can't drive as well as white people since a lot of them didn't acquire their licenses in the UK, or even have licenses. Better keep them as porters so at least when they crash their trolleys into each other it won't lead to more fatalities.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 30, 2020 8:58:44 GMT
Of course the best option would be to keep Police and invest in the community and local projects. Id sooner they spent the money on more real police willing to do a real job and not pussuy footing around the young Arseholes Just because you're bored is no need to break the law Just because you're being brought up by a single parent Is no excuse to break the law Just because you're poor is no need to break the law Just because you have been indoctrinated by faux outrage is not a excuse to break the law Stop making excuses for the poor little lambs They need a hard sharp shock and if that doesn't work remove them from society Are you saying that the decade long destruction of all of those auxiliary and support services has absolutely no effect on crime rates. None at all?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 30, 2020 9:06:00 GMT
Id sooner they spent the money on more real police willing to do a real job and not pussuy footing around the young Arseholes Just because you're bored is no need to break the law Just because you're being brought up by a single parent Is no excuse to break the law Just because you're poor is no need to break the law Just because you have been indoctrinated by faux outrage is not a excuse to break the law Stop making excuses for the poor little lambs They need a hard sharp shock and if that doesn't work remove them from society Are you saying that the decade long destruction of all of those auxiliary and support services has absolutely no effect on crime rates. None at all? I would suggest it's not the main reason and in certain situations has minimal impact What I would suggest is more to blame is the lack of fear of being caught and the punishment when you have Oh and by the way the little fuckers were doing exactly the same under the Blair government's spending splash
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 30, 2020 9:33:03 GMT
I’ve watched a lot of football in my time but I’ve never considered that the commentators have a racial bias.
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