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ngoy
Aug 5, 2020 12:40:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 12:40:10 GMT
I don’t think it’s fair to throw O’Neill under the bus for that. He’s given a few youngsters a chance When he could have just stuck with those older. Sorensen is a perfect example of a player who worked hard and earned his shot. There’s been a lot of general rumours about N’goy’s attitude for years. He’s never done anything at a professional level. He’s no longer a ‘kiddie’, he’s a grown ass man who quite likely was one of those alluded to have come back in awful condition. I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. Or maybe he’s been given so many arms around the shoulder that the club has generally given up. It’s a tough jungle out there and if you can’t be arsed to keep it together for a 10 year lifetime career then more fool you. I doubt that there is no support available for senior players at a professional club either. We’ve been poor at right wing all season and McLean has been injured on the left. Despite that, N’goy hasn’t had a sniff. Maybe that’s on the player himself.
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ngoy
Aug 5, 2020 13:34:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 13:34:17 GMT
I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. Or maybe he’s been given so many arms around the shoulder that the club has generally given up. It’s a tough jungle out there and if you can’t be arsed to keep it together for a 10 year lifetime career then more fool you. I doubt that there is no support available for senior players at a professional club either. We’ve been poor at right wing all season and McLean has been injured on the left. Despite that, N’goy hasn’t had a sniff. Maybe that’s on the player himself. The only way that can be answered is a game of 90 minutes, not 9. If the club had given up, then Stoke has no shortage of ways helping a player find an alternative career. The answer instead would seem to be that the coaches still believe in him, but the managers, present and predecessors, haven't had the guts to see what he can do in his element.
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ngoy
Aug 5, 2020 14:10:20 GMT
Post by lagwafis on Aug 5, 2020 14:10:20 GMT
I spoke with a Walsall fan last year who said Ngoy was okay but looked nowhere near the player Stoke fans had been hyping up on Twitter (not sure what was said?). He thought Florent Cuvelier was a far better loan signing from Stoke, although he went downhill fast when they signed him permanently. Ben Marshall's name also cropped up, turns out he's now playing for Stoneclough in West Lancashire Division One!
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ngoy
Aug 5, 2020 17:17:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:17:39 GMT
It wasn't just Stokies on twitter that sung his praises. National press and fifa were also at it. But now it looks like his next 90 minute game will be with Belgian parttimers, which can only mean he's joining them on a free.
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ngoy
Aug 5, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
Or maybe he’s been given so many arms around the shoulder that the club has generally given up. It’s a tough jungle out there and if you can’t be arsed to keep it together for a 10 year lifetime career then more fool you. I doubt that there is no support available for senior players at a professional club either. We’ve been poor at right wing all season and McLean has been injured on the left. Despite that, N’goy hasn’t had a sniff. Maybe that’s on the player himself. The only way that can be answered is a game of 90 minutes, not 9. If the club had given up, then Stoke has no shortage of ways helping a player find an alternative career. The answer instead would seem to be that the coaches still believe in him, but the managers, present and predecessors, haven't had the guts to see what he can do in his element. It's not really guts is it? If a young player isn't getting near the squad in a position where we had little cover, while others are in while playing in positions that we are quite heavy on cover, maybe the buck should just stop at the player. Consecutive managers don't have continued vendettas to keep a young lad out of the team. He's not pulled up trees on loan, he must not be doing much when here in training. I get the point r.e. no chances, but you have to earn a chance. If he is going out on loan instead of being around the pre-season squad, which is a golden opportunity for a young lad, then he's obviously not someone that the club want.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 6, 2020 0:18:53 GMT
I don’t think it’s fair to throw O’Neill under the bus for that. He’s given a few youngsters a chance When he could have just stuck with those older. Sorensen is a perfect example of a player who worked hard and earned his shot. There’s been a lot of general rumours about N’goy’s attitude for years. He’s never done anything at a professional level. He’s no longer a ‘kiddie’, he’s a grown ass man who quite likely was one of those alluded to have come back in awful condition. I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. Nothing annoys me more than that argument in regard to giving the kids a chance. Would a builder let a lazy apprentice go out and do a multi million pound job? If you saw a bloke on the streets covered in piss and homeless, would you offer him a job because he deserves a chance? I’ve never been given a chance in professional football, would you give me a chance? Young players have to earn the right to get the chance. It’s a joke that purely because they’re young and in our academy people think they deserve a chance
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ngoy
Aug 6, 2020 5:54:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 5:54:26 GMT
I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. Nothing annoys me more than that argument in regard to giving the kids a chance. Would a builder let a lazy apprentice go out and do a multi million pound job? If you saw a bloke on the streets covered in piss and homeless, would you offer him a job because he deserves a chance? I’ve never been given a chance in professional football, would you give me a chance? Young players have to earn the right to get the chance. It’s a joke that purely because they’re young and in our academy people think they deserve a chance When you train well, play well in the academy, the coaches recommend you, and you are selected for the matchday squad then you have earned the right to play. The rest of your idiotic examples I'll pass on.
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ngoy
Aug 6, 2020 6:05:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 6:05:52 GMT
I spoke with a Walsall fan last year who said Ngoy was okay but looked nowhere near the player Stoke fans had been hyping up on Twitter (not sure what was said?). He thought Florent Cuvelier was a far better loan signing from Stoke, although he went downhill fast when they signed him permanently. Ben Marshall's name also cropped up, turns out he's now playing for Stoneclough in West Lancashire Division One! Ben Marshall....what an average player he was and lauded as some on here as a future England player I remember one fella claiming he had won Leicester's MOM almost every game despite the fact he'd been dropped and only played twice that season
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ngoy
Aug 6, 2020 6:11:06 GMT
Post by NassauDave on Aug 6, 2020 6:11:06 GMT
Ngone.
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ngoy
Aug 6, 2020 7:14:33 GMT
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 6, 2020 7:14:33 GMT
Looks like Marshall's and Cuvelier's careers are over before hitting 30.
At least Marshall had a bit of one though. Signed a four year contract with Norwich in 2018 only to have it cancelled by mutual consent 12 months later. What on earth happened there?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2020 15:24:13 GMT
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 10:34:38 GMT
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 10:40:02 GMT
Post by crouchie on Aug 8, 2020 10:40:02 GMT
i see they rolled out the top brass for the official photo
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 10:44:56 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 8, 2020 10:44:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 10:53:08 GMT
This is a massive shame because he’s got everything to be a striker at this level beyond.
He quicker than Campbell. He makes better runs than Campbell. He’s as good a finisher. And with both feet. He’s stronger than Campbell.
So what’s the difference?
Why has Campbell made it and Ngoy who has the better tools hasn’t?
I think only he will know and the answer will be looking at him in the mirror.
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 10:55:04 GMT
Post by ohbottom on Aug 8, 2020 10:55:04 GMT
Who's the tramp in the torn trousers?
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 8, 2020 11:39:21 GMT
Looks like Marshall's and Cuvelier's careers are over before hitting 30. At least Marshall had a bit of one though. Signed a four year contract with Norwich in 2018 only to have it cancelled by mutual consent 12 months later. What on earth happened there? I think that so many factors can contribute to a player not cutting it, it's not simply that they are good or bad footballers. Ive watched non-league and seen players who have definitely had the ability to play much higher but when you start to get an idea about the back story it can give some clues as to why it never quite happened. Fine margins.
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 12:02:46 GMT
Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 8, 2020 12:02:46 GMT
Ngoy going....to quote The Smiths "What difference does it make?"
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 12:15:08 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 8, 2020 12:15:08 GMT
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 12:17:14 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 8, 2020 12:17:14 GMT
This is a massive shame because he’s got everything to be a striker at this level beyond. He quicker than Campbell. He makes better runs than Campbell. He’s as good a finisher. And with both feet. He’s stronger than Campbell. So what’s the difference? Why has Campbell made it and Ngoy who has the better tools hasn’t? I think only he will know and the answer will be looking at him in the mirror. Attitude and application. didn't he live with Imbula at a point or am I imagining that?
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 14:18:25 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 8, 2020 14:18:25 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2020 14:44:15 GMT
I don’t think it’s fair to throw O’Neill under the bus for that. He’s given a few youngsters a chance When he could have just stuck with those older. Sorensen is a perfect example of a player who worked hard and earned his shot. There’s been a lot of general rumours about N’goy’s attitude for years. He’s never done anything at a professional level. He’s no longer a ‘kiddie’, he’s a grown ass man who quite likely was one of those alluded to have come back in awful condition. I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. If N'Goy was outstanding in U23s and in training he would have been given more opportunities. It is crass to suggest MON has made his judgement on the basis of a few minutes. There are a group of assistants passing judgement on each player's performance each week and managers value their opinions. N'Goy has been around for a lot of years under a number of managers and a host of their assistants. Unfortunately he has not done enough to break through. It happens to hundreds of players at all levels every year. We wish him well in his future career. Maybe a change in environment will trigger his career taking off.
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 15:30:41 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2020 15:30:41 GMT
This is a massive shame because he’s got everything to be a striker at this level beyond. He quicker than Campbell. He makes better runs than Campbell. He’s as good a finisher. And with both feet. He’s stronger than Campbell. So what’s the difference? Why has Campbell made it and Ngoy who has the better tools hasn’t? I think only he will know and the answer will be looking at him in the mirror. Obviously attitude and hard work lacking with Ngoy I'd argue Campbell shows more awareness in the area than Ngoy. Shame though
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 15:36:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 15:36:00 GMT
I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit. If N'Goy was outstanding in U23s and in training he would have been given more opportunities. It is crass to suggest MON has made his judgement on the basis of a few minutes. There are a group of assistants passing judgement on each player's performance each week and managers value their opinions. N'Goy has been around for a lot of years under a number of managers and a host of their assistants. Unfortunately he has not done enough to break through. It happens to hundreds of players at all levels every year. We wish him well in his future career. Maybe a change in environment will trigger his career taking off. No it's not. He's been recommended by coaches again and again. He's been selected for matchday squads on a frequent basis, and although you can't say he's done badly in those spare minutes, he was still not selected even when Ince was non-peforming in matches. That's a manager fallibility that is very common. You go with what's tried and tested, even when it's failed over and over again, rather than taking a risk on a kid who might make mistakes but who might also do the unexpected.
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 15:40:50 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 8, 2020 15:40:50 GMT
If N'Goy was outstanding in U23s and in training he would have been given more opportunities. It is crass to suggest MON has made his judgement on the basis of a few minutes. There are a group of assistants passing judgement on each player's performance each week and managers value their opinions. N'Goy has been around for a lot of years under a number of managers and a host of their assistants. Unfortunately he has not done enough to break through. It happens to hundreds of players at all levels every year. We wish him well in his future career. Maybe a change in environment will trigger his career taking off. No it's not. He's been recommended by coaches again and again. He's been selected for matchday squads on a frequent basis, and although you can't say he's done badly in those spare minutes, he was still not selected even when Ince was non-peforming in matches. That's a manager fallibility that is very common. You go with what's tried and tested, even when it's failed over and over again, rather than taking a risk on a kid who might make mistakes but who might also do the unexpected. If you are right we will no doubt see him flourish at a new club.
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ngoy
Aug 8, 2020 17:11:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 17:11:39 GMT
No it's not. He's been recommended by coaches again and again. He's been selected for matchday squads on a frequent basis, and although you can't say he's done badly in those spare minutes, he was still not selected even when Ince was non-peforming in matches. That's a manager fallibility that is very common. You go with what's tried and tested, even when it's failed over and over again, rather than taking a risk on a kid who might make mistakes but who might also do the unexpected. If you are right we will no doubt see him flourish at a new club. He's going to a Belgian second division club, his hometown club I believe. Could be a while before we even hear of him again. I don't know what his new aim in life is, but a Belgian second division is a lot lower than an English ditto.
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ngoy
Aug 9, 2020 9:34:09 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 9, 2020 9:34:09 GMT
If you are right we will no doubt see him flourish at a new club. He's going to a Belgian second division club, his hometown club I believe. Could be a while before we even hear of him again. I don't know what his new aim in life is, but a Belgian second division is a lot lower than an English ditto. I suspect we will never hear of him again because as our managers obviously felt he simply isn't very good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 10:08:31 GMT
The fact he's gone to a Belgian second division club says it all
He got games at Grasshoppers but obviously no takers.
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ngoy
Aug 9, 2020 10:16:35 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Aug 9, 2020 10:16:35 GMT
If you are right we will no doubt see him flourish at a new club. He's going to a Belgian second division club, his hometown club I believe. Could be a while before we even hear of him again. I don't know what his new aim in life is, but a Belgian second division is a lot lower than an English ditto. KAS Eupen, are a premier league club, owned by the Qatar government (Aspire). They play in the same league as Gent and club Brugges.
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ngoy
Aug 9, 2020 10:25:28 GMT
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Post by cokecystfit on Aug 9, 2020 10:25:28 GMT
Usually people would offer to drive him there but in this case we should employ a convoy.
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