ngoy

[timehascome]

for me good player. was saying in february that we should play him more. 

[mickstupp]

Senior players used to dislike like him when he was in and around the squad a few years ago. Attitude problem apparently?

[RF10]

Has he ever done anything in the senior team to make an impression?

[bolders]

17/18 season played in the reserves played 7 games played 487 mins. Walsall 6 month loan played 13 scored 3, 1 assist played mainly as a forward 780 mins played
18/19 season at Grasshoppers season loan played 24 scored 5, 2 assists played mainly on the wing both sides 1523 mins played
19/20 season played in reserves played 10 games scored 1, 3 assists, played mainly up front 684 mins played

[bayernoatcake]

He's got all the attributes to be a very good player but clearly something isn't right with his attitude.

He's bigger, stronger, faster than Campbell. As clever with his runs and nearly as good a finisher. But you can tell Campbell wants it more. He needs to find some desire from somewhere.

[wilcopotter]

Never been impressed the bits I’ve seen of him the last being QPR away,I think.

[lordb]

May 22, 2020 10:42:55 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He's got all the attributes to be a very good player but clearly something isn't right with his attitude.

He's bigger, stronger, faster than Campbell. As clever with his runs and nearly as good a finisher. But you can tell Campbell wants it more. He needs to find some desire from somewhere.

He did make a good impression at Brentford when he came on.
If he can unlock that regularly he could be a real talent anywhere across the front.
I'm assuming there must have been can improve I in attitude for O'Neill to have him in/around the side.

Sliding doors moment for Ngoy:

[FullerMagic]

Expected to sign today for Eupen in Belgian Div 1 by the looks of it

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Aug 5, 2020 7:40:30 GMT FullerMagic said:

Expected to sign today for Eupen in Belgian Div 1 by the looks of it

Good riddance.....

[Cast no shadow]

Aug 5, 2020 7:40:30 GMT FullerMagic said:

Expected to sign today for Eupen in Belgian Div 1 by the looks of it

How much for??




















😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[FullerMagic]

Aug 5, 2020 7:44:35 GMT Cast no shadow said:

Aug 5, 2020 7:40:30 GMT FullerMagic said:

Expected to sign today for Eupen in Belgian Div 1 by the looks of it

How much for??

























😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Sadly, only loan by the looks of it. Obviously on too much cash for the kind of club who are interested to take him permanently.

www.walfoot.be/news/2020-08-05/un-international-u21-a-eupen-dans-les-prochaines-heures
KAS Eupen is still looking to strengthen itself, especially in the offensive sector. Here is now a young Belgian player exiled in England who should drop his bags at the Kehrweg in the coming hours.

Julien Ngoy, 22-year-old striker, who was partly trained at Sporting Anderlecht, is expected to sign for KAS Eupen in the coming hours, according to SudPresse.

He would land among the German speakers on loan from Stoke City. Last season he wore the colors of the Swiss club Grasshopers. He also went through FC Walsall and carried the best of our U21 team on 5 occasions.

[gingerninja]

We really are being hamstrung by the big wages we generally pay. Loans out seem to be the best we can hope for. I guess that is better than nothing.

[werrington]

Aug 5, 2020 8:00:56 GMT gingerninja said:

We really are being hamstrung by the big wages we generally pay. Loans out seem to be the best we can hope for. I guess that is better than nothing.

You pay the wages at the going rate otherwise players won’t sign and then people would complain we aren’t competing and doing it all on the cheap

It’s a no win at times

[Gods]

'Drop his bags at the Kehrwegstadion' is a great phrase, must be the Belgian version of 'In the building', I think I'll start using it

[davejohnno1]

Aug 5, 2020 8:10:10 GMT werrington said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:00:56 GMT gingerninja said:

We really are being hamstrung by the big wages we generally pay. Loans out seem to be the best we can hope for. I guess that is better than nothing.

You pay the wages at the going rate otherwise players won’t sign and then people would complain we aren’t competing and doing it all on the cheap

It’s a no win at times

A fair point for sure. When we spend big money, clubs like stoke simply have to get it right. Get it wrong and you pay the consequences for a good few years.

[gingerninja]

I think we can all pretty much agree, when we have spent 'big' by and large it has been a disaster 😂

[werrington]

Aug 5, 2020 8:27:27 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:10:10 GMT werrington said:

You pay the wages at the going rate otherwise players won’t sign and then people would complain we aren’t competing and doing it all on the cheap

It’s a no win at times

A fair point for sure. When we spend big money, clubs like stoke simply have to get it right. Get it wrong and you pay the consequences for a good few years.

Nobody will ever get it right mate

Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea etc etc all get it wrong at times

It’s life

[biglad180]

Ngoy as been here a long time and never broken into the first team time to move on,

[werrington]

Aug 5, 2020 8:33:05 GMT gingerninja said:

I think we can all pretty much agree, when we have spent 'big' by and large it has been a disaster 😂

Shaqiri wasn’t

Big is not big in premiership terms ....I think? our record signing is £18m which is absolutely nothing in reality for that level

[jimmygscfc1234]

Surely Ngoy is never going to break through with us? He's of an age where he should be in the First Team if he was ever going to feature. He'll be loaned until his contract expires and then it's unlikely we'll ever hear about him again.

[Gods]

Aug 5, 2020 8:35:56 GMT werrington said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:33:05 GMT gingerninja said:

I think we can all pretty much agree, when we have spent 'big' by and large it has been a disaster 😂

Shaqiri wasn’t

Big is not big in premiership terms ....I think? our record signing is £18m which is absolutely nothing in reality for that level

He wasn't everyone's cup of tea but I think Crouch was a good buy.

But with Imbula, Badou, Berahino, Wimmer we've had a nightmare and 5 year contracts piled on the pain too

[Cast no shadow]

Aug 5, 2020 8:35:56 GMT werrington said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:33:05 GMT gingerninja said:

I think we can all pretty much agree, when we have spent 'big' by and large it has been a disaster 😂

Shaqiri wasn’t

Big is not big in premiership terms ....I think? our record signing is £18m which is absolutely nothing in reality for that level

It's nothing if they performed even half decently, but with the wimmer, imbula, berahino, even badou spend, its £65mil of waste.

[lordb]

He's got the ability for the Championship
O'Neill had him on the bench before lockdown but the fact he hasn't had a sniff since tells it's own story.

[wakefieldstokie]

Hopefully we will be able to sell players again soon. Remember selling players🤔😬

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Aug 5, 2020 9:49:25 GMT lordb said:

He's got the ability for the Championship
O'Neill had him on the bench before lockdown but the fact he hasn't had a sniff since tells it's own story.

I really don't think it does. It just tells the oft repeated story of managers too scared to give a talent a  real chance when it comes down to that. 

He played nine minutes in one game, and I forget how much in another. 

How much does that tell?

Nothing.

[davejohnno1]

Aug 5, 2020 8:33:44 GMT werrington said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:27:27 GMT davejohnno1 said:

A fair point for sure. When we spend big money, clubs like stoke simply have to get it right. Get it wrong and you pay the consequences for a good few years.

Nobody will ever get it right mate

Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea etc etc all get it wrong at times

It’s life

Absolutely but those clubs can simply spend again and in even bigger numbers. Clubs like us get it wrong at their peril.

Everton are an example on a different level. They spent terribly and their current exceptional manager is hamstrung as a result.

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Aug 5, 2020 10:35:28 GMT @kpsja said:

Aug 5, 2020 9:49:25 GMT lordb said:

He's got the ability for the Championship
O'Neill had him on the bench before lockdown but the fact he hasn't had a sniff since tells it's own story.

I really don't think it does. It just tells the oft repeated story of managers too scared to give a talent a  real chance when it comes down to that. 

He played nine minutes in one game, and I forget how much in another. 

How much does that tell?

Nothing.

I don’t think it’s fair to throw O’Neill under the bus for that. He’s given a few youngsters a chance When he could have just stuck with those older. Sorensen is a perfect example of a player who worked hard and earned his shot. There’s been a lot of general rumours about N’goy’s attitude for years. He’s never done anything at a professional level. He’s no longer a ‘kiddie’, he’s a grown ass man who quite likely was one of those alluded to have come back in awful condition.

[werrington]

Aug 5, 2020 9:27:31 GMT Cast no shadow said:

Aug 5, 2020 8:35:56 GMT werrington said:

Shaqiri wasn’t

Big is not big in premiership terms ....I think? our record signing is £18m which is absolutely nothing in reality for that level

It's nothing if they performed even half decently, but with the wimmer, imbula, berahino, even badou spend, its £65mil of waste.

Badou in the relegation season was beyond any criticism as he was one of the bright spots even though he was only here from the January

[Deleted]

Another loan?

LOL!

[Deleted]

Aug 5, 2020 11:28:44 GMT @stokiematt1992 said:

Aug 5, 2020 10:35:28 GMT @kpsja said:

I really don't think it does. It just tells the oft repeated story of managers too scared to give a talent a  real chance when it comes down to that. 

He played nine minutes in one game, and I forget how much in another. 

How much does that tell?

Nothing.

I don’t think it’s fair to throw O’Neill under the bus for that. He’s given a few youngsters a chance When he could have just stuck with those older. Sorensen is a perfect example of a player who worked hard and earned his shot. There’s been a lot of general rumours about N’goy’s attitude for years. He’s never done anything at a professional level. He’s no longer a ‘kiddie’, he’s a grown ass man who quite likely was one of those alluded to have come back in awful condition.

I was talking about managers in general. I know O'Neill is regarded as a blameless god around here, but how "fair" is to play someone for nine minutes, in which he "acquits himself well" and then dump him? The reason N'goy has never done anything at a professional level is because has never been played at a professional level (by us), like given him 90 mins from the start of a game. It'a tough jungle out there to establish yourself in pro football, but sometimes a young player needs an arm around the shoulder, something he appears to have never been given, which may be why he's become a misfit.