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Post by spitthedog on Jul 1, 2021 23:06:29 GMT
It will be a good result for the Labour Party if they lose it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2021 3:54:00 GMT
It will be a good result for the Labour Party if they lose it. They’ve won by a few hundred allegedly, result still not in yet though……
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2021 4:31:32 GMT
It will be a good result for the Labour Party if they lose it. They’ve won by a few hundred allegedly, result still not in yet though…… Confirmed, Labour by 300……
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 2, 2021 5:58:12 GMT
They’ve won by a few hundred allegedly, result still not in yet though…… Confirmed, Labour by 300…… Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 2, 2021 6:01:01 GMT
Confirmed, Labour by 300…… Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. 😁
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2021 6:07:40 GMT
Confirmed, Labour by 300…… Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. I think it’s an interesting time, complete mixed bag of results in Hartlepool, Amersham and Batley for all parties and seats that were Tory strongholds look fragile and vice versa. I agree under the circumstances it was as good a result as could be expected for Labour, although doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things other than take a bit of pressure of Starmer. If he has any sense he’ll use that breathing space to start mapping out a vision for the future that’s not “we’re not as bad as the Tories” but I’m not holding my breath…..
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 6:18:19 GMT
Confirmed, Labour by 300…… Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. Galloway is a piece of shit. He looks for fault lines and then exploits them to the full. It’s all about Gorgeous George as far as he is concerned. What mess he leaves behind, he ain’t concerned. Anyway, certainly a good result for Labour, mainly because it takes the heat of Starmer. A civil war just now for Labour would be just what the Tories want.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 6:54:20 GMT
Confirmed, Labour by 300…… Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. Agreed. That's 8,000 votes the narcissist Galloway took, the majority of which would probably have gone to Labour. Tories were 1/6 on to win that seat with most bookies. Perhaps all the sleaze and realities of the Brexit bullshit are starting to cut through?
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Post by salopstick on Jul 2, 2021 7:00:33 GMT
A very lucky man this morning
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 2, 2021 7:13:35 GMT
I find it absolutely abhorrent that Jayda Fransen stood for election in this by election . What an absolute shit stain of a human being.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 7:18:39 GMT
Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. Agreed. That's 8,000 votes the narcissist Galloway took, the majority of which would probably have gone to Labour. Tories were 1/6 on to win that seat with most bookies. Perhaps all the sleaze and realities of the Brexit bullshit are starting to cut through? Hancock’s half hour will certainly have played its part. I doubt Brexit had much impact. For most normal folk that subject is in the rear view mirror. It’s only weirdos who drone on and on about it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:19:33 GMT
Labour, LDs and the Greens should just be done with it, amalgamate and provide a broad, united non-right wing voice. Akin to the Democrats in the US. Our archaic FPTP system also supports a two party approach. If a 'leftist' faction wanted to split off as you suggest, or refused to join what would essentially be a centrist party, then they can form their own, no doubt highly marginal and broadly irrelevant party of their own, which the vast majority of England would just ignore... If the Green Party had a radical bone in their body they could have hoovered up many of the disaffected left wing Labour members on a ticket of a real green economy. But they’re a protest party and happy to be part of the status quo it seems. Whilst FPTP has many many faults, Farage has shown that a small party can still hold influence without winning a huge amount of seats even under the current system. Those who advocate centrism as an answer to the current problems in society are so far off the mark it’s untrue. They’re still living in the late 90’s…… Hmmm, the late 90s and early 2000s, the last time crime figures declined substantially, the last time NHS waiting times and lists declined substantially, the last time educational funding increased significantly...you know the things that actually matter on a day to day basis to people...provided by a centrist party which garnered broad support across England. Just about the last time the country was moving towards a good place for ordinary people. Look at it now! I genuinely think some leftwingers would prefer to see a country whose public services are continually ravaged by the Tories rather than one where they are improved, if the party doing the improvement isn't quite leftwing enough!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:22:30 GMT
Agreed. That's 8,000 votes the narcissist Galloway took, the majority of which would probably have gone to Labour. Tories were 1/6 on to win that seat with most bookies. Perhaps all the sleaze and realities of the Brexit bullshit are starting to cut through? Hancock’s half hour will certainly have played its part. I doubt Brexit had much impact. For most normal folk that subject is in the rear view mirror. It’s only weirdos who drone on and on about it. As a Tory, you'd better hope that Brexit loyalty to the Tories doesn't disappear into the rear view mirror. As soon as the realities of Brexit become divorced from it and appear to be just normal business for the government, they're in trouble... They'll need to find something else to blame and distract attention onto.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 7:26:31 GMT
Hancock’s half hour will certainly have played its part. I doubt Brexit had much impact. For most normal folk that subject is in the rear view mirror. It’s only weirdos who drone on and on about it. As a Tory, you'd better hope that Brexit loyalty to the Tories doesn't disappear into the rear view mirror. As soon as the realities of Brexit become divorced from it and appear to be just normal business for the government, they're in trouble... They'll need to find something else to blame and distract attention onto. Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not a Tory. You, on the other hand, are certainly a weirdo.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:32:24 GMT
As a Tory, you'd better hope that Brexit loyalty to the Tories doesn't disappear into the rear view mirror. As soon as the realities of Brexit become divorced from it and appear to be just normal business for the government, they're in trouble... They'll need to find something else to blame and distract attention onto. Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not a Tory. You, on the other hand, are certainly a weirdo. What is about some people on this board that they can't handle being disagreed with without resorting to personal abuse and name calling? It's very strange and rather childish. Lighten up a bit, partick.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 2, 2021 7:35:45 GMT
Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. I think it’s an interesting time, complete mixed bag of results in Hartlepool, Amersham and Batley for all parties and seats that were Tory strongholds look fragile and vice versa. I agree under the circumstances it was as good a result as could be expected for Labour, although doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things other than take a bit of pressure of Starmer. If he has any sense he’ll use that breathing space to start mapping out a vision for the future that’s not “we’re not as bad as the Tories” but I’m not holding my breath….. I think you're right, which surely tells us that parliament and the current crop of parties are a pile of shit. Who isn't tired of ineffective, weak, corrupt centrist politics. Let's see a party for the libertarian right and the hard left. The country needs options.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:37:18 GMT
I think it’s an interesting time, complete mixed bag of results in Hartlepool, Amersham and Batley for all parties and seats that were Tory strongholds look fragile and vice versa. I agree under the circumstances it was as good a result as could be expected for Labour, although doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things other than take a bit of pressure of Starmer. If he has any sense he’ll use that breathing space to start mapping out a vision for the future that’s not “we’re not as bad as the Tories” but I’m not holding my breath….. I think you're right, which surely tells us that parliament and the current crop of parties are a pile of shit. Who isn't tired of ineffective, weak, corrupt centrist politics. Let's see a party for the libertarian right and the hard left. The country needs options. Those parties already exist, they just don't get many votes!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 2, 2021 7:41:43 GMT
I think you're right, which surely tells us that parliament and the current crop of parties are a pile of shit. Who isn't tired of ineffective, weak, corrupt centrist politics. Let's see a party for the libertarian right and the hard left. The country needs options. Those parties already exist, they just don't get many votes! Hardly. I'd argue the reform/reclaim parties represent the libertarian right but they've only been going 3 months. I don't see anything on the hard left or even the old left. Perhaps the SDP can become that party. Let's not kid ourselves though we both know we are stuck with the current two party shit for years.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:45:06 GMT
Those parties already exist, they just don't get many votes! Hardly. I'd argue the reform/reclaim parties represent the libertarian right but they've only been going 3 months. I don't see anything on the hard left or even the old left. Perhaps the SDP can become that party. Let's not kid ourselves though we both know we are stuck with the current two party shit for years. FPTP pretty much guarantees it! Google UK hard left political parties. They're out there, just very marginalised like I said. Same on the right. Ukip are probably the most well known libertarian party and they're irrelevant these days...Reform will disappear in a year or two to all intents and purposes.
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Post by Northy on Jul 2, 2021 7:46:39 GMT
Given the presence of Galloway, whose sole aim appears to have been to siphon off Labour support, I would say that's a pretty decent result for Labour. I think it’s an interesting time, complete mixed bag of results in Hartlepool, Amersham and Batley for all parties and seats that were Tory strongholds look fragile and vice versa. I agree under the circumstances it was as good a result as could be expected for Labour, although doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things other than take a bit of pressure of Starmer. If he has any sense he’ll use that breathing space to start mapping out a vision for the future that’s not “we’re not as bad as the Tories” but I’m not holding my breath….. I think having Jo Cox's sister run for Labour has helped a bit with their numbers, compared to a standard non local candidate pushed from HQ
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 7:47:06 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not a Tory. You, on the other hand, are certainly a weirdo. What is about some people on this board that they can't handle being disagreed with without resorting to personal abuse and name calling? It's very strange and rather childish. Lighten up a bit, partick. You started it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:50:58 GMT
What is about some people on this board that they can't handle being disagreed with without resorting to personal abuse and name calling? It's very strange and rather childish. Lighten up a bit, partick. You started it. Eh?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 2, 2021 7:55:08 GMT
Hardly. I'd argue the reform/reclaim parties represent the libertarian right but they've only been going 3 months. I don't see anything on the hard left or even the old left. Perhaps the SDP can become that party. Let's not kid ourselves though we both know we are stuck with the current two party shit for years. FPTP pretty much guarantees it! Google UK hard left political parties. They're out there, just very marginalised like I said. Same on the right. Ukip are probably the most well known libertarian party and they're irrelevant these days...Reform will disappear in a year or two to all intents and purposes. It doesn't help when anyone on either side of "moderate" bollocks gets censored by our media. We saw it with Farage and we saw it with Corbyn (the latter I couldn't stand). Tragic.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 7:56:05 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:56:40 GMT
FPTP pretty much guarantees it! Google UK hard left political parties. They're out there, just very marginalised like I said. Same on the right. Ukip are probably the most well known libertarian party and they're irrelevant these days...Reform will disappear in a year or two to all intents and purposes. It doesn't help when anyone on either side of "moderate" bollocks gets censored by our media. We saw it with Farage and we saw it with Corbyn (who I couldn't stand). Tragic. Neither of them "got censored"! One was never off QT, the other became leader of the Labour Party! I think the reality is that the more "extreme" views that appear to align with yours are just that: at the more extreme ends of the debate, so it's inevitable that they don't get as much coverage.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:58:16 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 2, 2021 8:03:24 GMT
It doesn't help when anyone on either side of "moderate" bollocks gets censored by our media. We saw it with Farage and we saw it with Corbyn (who I couldn't stand). Tragic. Neither of them "got censored"! One was never off QT, the other became leader of the Labour Party! You can't pretend they weren't censored! Yes NF made the odd appearance on question time but did you see those episodes?! It was like watching a pack of (incredibly woke) Hyenas. Pretty much any headline by the BBC reflected Farage or Corbyn in a negative light. I'm not sure why you'd claim they didn't censor and tarnish their politics at every opportunity. I despise Corbyn politics but I can see how he got taken down by the media and same with Farage. The difference was Farage beat the media. When you see how difficult it is for the likes of Reform to get off the ground, it makes you realise Farage's success was very much the exception not the rule. It was once in a lifetime stuff. Brexit was down to him.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 8:06:12 GMT
Not really. You called me a Tory. Which I’m not. I’m a liberal (with a small l). I have no party political affiliation of any sort. I called you a weirdo based on your Brexit obsession, which seems fair enough.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 8:16:57 GMT
Neither of them "got censored"! One was never off QT, the other became leader of the Labour Party! You can't pretend they weren't censored! Yes NF made the odd appearance on question time but did you see those episodes?! It was like watching a pack of (incredibly woke) Hyenas. Pretty much any headline by the BBC reflected Farage or Corbyn in a negative light. I'm not sure why you'd claim they didn't censor and tarnish their politics at every opportunity. I despise Corbyn politics but I can see how he got taken down by the media and same with Farage. The difference was Farage beat the media. When you see how difficult it is for the likes of Reform to get off the ground, it makes you realise Farage's success was very much the exception not the rule. It was once in a lifetime stuff. Brexit was down to him. Farage was rarely off QT (not the odd appearance!) and Corbyn became leader of one of the main political parties whose every utterance was covered by all of the media outlets. To pretend they were in any way censored is nonsense. Farage didn't "beat the media" (although I bet he claims that!). His views were shared by numerous members of the Conservative Party (and some of the Labour Party), so it was inevitable that he would become the "spokesperson" for the large numbers of Tories who were quite happy to have him expressing what they thought while they stayed quietly behind the scenes agitating within the Tory party, safe in the knowledge that, whatever the eventual outcome, Farage would be the one carrying the can/celebrating outside of the main political arena while they (Boris, Gove etc) satisfied their political ambitions on the back of it. There may not be mass coverage of the views you hold but, as I said, that is probably because they are at the more extreme end of the political spectrum, don't reflect what most people think and therefore don't get the coverage that you would expect. It's not censorship, just your disappointment that your views are not more widely covered, but GB News should be addressing that, surely?!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 8:20:46 GMT
Not really. You called me a Tory. Which I’m not. I’m a liberal (with a small l). I have no party political affiliation of any sort. I called you a weirdo based on your Brexit obsession, which seems fair enough. Right, so "Tory" is on the same insult level as "weirdo", is it, in your eyes! I wonder what the Tories on this board make of that I doubt whether anyone else (hartshill excepted ) sees that as anything other than childish nonsense!
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