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Post by followyoudown on Jun 20, 2021 16:58:29 GMT
The 0.00002% of Labour members are at it again I see. What is this tweet in relation to? A labour source briefed the candidate is receiving homophobic abuse and Starmer getting abuse because his wife is jewish or has jewish heritage.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 20, 2021 16:59:38 GMT
What is this tweet in relation to? If Dan Hodges told me it was raining I’d insist on stepping outside and checking. Another load of “sources said” bollocks from The Daily Mail in his article today...... A bit of a contrast to they're going to need a bigger smear response to anti semitism from Ange.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 16:40:22 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 26, 2021 19:24:02 GMT
Whenever you think things can't get any worse for Labour...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 26, 2021 22:24:09 GMT
Whenever you think things can't get any worse for Labour... Stan Butler from On the Buses couldn't do any worse than Starmer in fairness......
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 27, 2021 8:08:18 GMT
Whenever you think things can't get any worse for Labour... Many a true word said in jest and all that.......
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 28, 2021 9:56:42 GMT
Labour skirting into bnp type propaganda shocking
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 29, 2021 12:42:07 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 30, 2021 12:31:19 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 30, 2021 12:35:16 GMT
I think most people would like to see Andy Burnham in charge, except the Tories, but if he's got any sense, he'll let Starmer take the defeat at the next election and then make his move, if he wants it that is.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 30, 2021 12:49:50 GMT
I think most people would like to see Andy Burnham in charge, except the Tories, but if he's got any sense, he'll let Starmer take the defeat at the next election and then make his move, if he wants it that is. Could be over by tomorrow if 'Labour sources' are right and there's only a 5-10% chance of holding B&S.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jun 30, 2021 13:30:50 GMT
I think most people would like to see Andy Burnham in charge, except the Tories, but if he's got any sense, he'll let Starmer take the defeat at the next election and then make his move, if he wants it that is. Think that would be the best bet for Labour. Write off 2024 and hope for Burnham next time around. Difficult though if Labours left demand demand another Corbyn type figure after another loss in 2024. Would they win that? Could Starmer purge the nuttier elements in the next few years? Does he want to?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 30, 2021 19:04:55 GMT
I think most people would like to see Andy Burnham in charge, except the Tories, but if he's got any sense, he'll let Starmer take the defeat at the next election and then make his move, if he wants it that is. Think that would be the best bet for Labour. Write off 2024 and hope for Burnham next time around. Difficult though if Labours left demand demand another Corbyn type figure after another loss in 2024. Would they win that? Could Starmer purge the nuttier elements in the next few years? Does he want to? He won’t need to purge anyone, there will be no one left in three years if he’s still in charge.....
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Post by Davef on Jul 1, 2021 8:12:14 GMT
I see the Batley and Spen Labour candidate's brother in law is doing all he can to draw in the white working class vote.
"We are far more united than the things that divide us".
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2021 13:01:06 GMT
I see the Batley and Spen Labour candidate's brother in law is doing all he can to draw in the white working class vote. "We are far more united than the things that divide us". And there’s me thinking the whole squad were born in this country
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 1, 2021 14:32:10 GMT
I see the Batley and Spen Labour candidate's brother in law is doing all he can to draw in the white working class vote. "We are far more united than the things that divide us". No Kane?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 1, 2021 14:36:16 GMT
I see the Batley and Spen Labour candidate's brother in law is doing all he can to draw in the white working class vote. "We are far more united than the things that divide us". No Kane? According to this not very reliable website, his parents were Irish: lifebogger.com/harry-kane-childhood-story-plus-untold-biography-facts/I was more confused by Stones. His skin tone is quite dark for someone who is 100% Barnsley - I've always assumed he had another nationality in his bloodline.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
I think most people would like to see Andy Burnham in charge, except the Tories, but if he's got any sense, he'll let Starmer take the defeat at the next election and then make his move, if he wants it that is. Think that would be the best bet for Labour. Write off 2024 and hope for Burnham next time around. Difficult though if Labours left demand demand another Corbyn type figure after another loss in 2024. Would they win that? Could Starmer purge the nuttier elements in the next few years? Does he want to? Labour's only hope is to purge the nuttier elements and move back towards the centre, if they ever fancy getting elected again. Why anyone associated with that party thinks that moving towards the left of the political spectrum will make the majority of people in England want to vote for them is beyond me!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 1, 2021 17:34:24 GMT
Think that would be the best bet for Labour. Write off 2024 and hope for Burnham next time around. Difficult though if Labours left demand demand another Corbyn type figure after another loss in 2024. Would they win that? Could Starmer purge the nuttier elements in the next few years? Does he want to? Labour's only hope is to purge the nuttier elements and move back towards the centre, if they ever fancy getting elected again. Why anyone associated with that party thinks that moving towards the left of the political spectrum will make the majority of people in England want to vote for them is beyond me! The centrists are the “nuttier” element, in 5/6 years time when this rotting corpse of a party is finally consigned to history people will realise that 2017 was actually the exception not the norm after a couple of decades of decline……..
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 1, 2021 17:40:46 GMT
Labour's only hope is to purge the nuttier elements and move back towards the centre, if they ever fancy getting elected again. Why anyone associated with that party thinks that moving towards the left of the political spectrum will make the majority of people in England want to vote for them is beyond me! The centrists are the “nuttier” element, in 5/6 years time when this rotting corpse of a party is finally consigned to history people will realise that 2017 was actually the exception not the norm after a couple of decades of decline…….. Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2021 18:34:19 GMT
Labour's only hope is to purge the nuttier elements and move back towards the centre, if they ever fancy getting elected again. Why anyone associated with that party thinks that moving towards the left of the political spectrum will make the majority of people in England want to vote for them is beyond me! The centrists are the “nuttier” element, in 5/6 years time when this rotting corpse of a party is finally consigned to history people will realise that 2017 was actually the exception not the norm after a couple of decades of decline…….. You might think so, but I don't think many other people see it that way and I'd wager that the majority of the English electorate doesn't agree with you. Over the last four decades England has moved quite some distance to the right, and they're not going to suddenly "see the light" and move all the way over to the kind of Leftist approach that Corbyn and Michael Foot offered! In which case you're probably going to spend a lifetime wondering why your idea of a government never gets elected...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2021 18:43:08 GMT
The centrists are the “nuttier” element, in 5/6 years time when this rotting corpse of a party is finally consigned to history people will realise that 2017 was actually the exception not the norm after a couple of decades of decline…….. Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now. Labour, LDs and the Greens should just be done with it, amalgamate and provide a broad, united non-right wing voice. Akin to the Democrats in the US. Our archaic FPTP system also supports a two party approach. If a 'leftist' faction wanted to split off as you suggest, or refused to join what would essentially be a centrist party, then they can form their own, no doubt highly marginal and broadly irrelevant party of their own, which the vast majority of England would just ignore...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 1, 2021 18:53:21 GMT
The centrists are the “nuttier” element, in 5/6 years time when this rotting corpse of a party is finally consigned to history people will realise that 2017 was actually the exception not the norm after a couple of decades of decline…….. Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now. Why would “the left” become the British Marxist Party when there has been zero sign of anything remotely related to Marxism at any time during the last 5/6 years? Scotland is a traditional left wing country in many areas, free from the toxicity of the Labour brand a new party could make inroads……
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 1, 2021 19:03:23 GMT
Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now. Labour, LDs and the Greens should just be done with it, amalgamate and provide a broad, united non-right wing voice. Akin to the Democrats in the US. Our archaic FPTP system also supports a two party approach. If a 'leftist' faction wanted to split off as you suggest, or refused to join what would essentially be a centrist party, then they can form their own, no doubt highly marginal and broadly irrelevant party of their own, which the vast majority of England would just ignore... If the Green Party had a radical bone in their body they could have hoovered up many of the disaffected left wing Labour members on a ticket of a real green economy. But they’re a protest party and happy to be part of the status quo it seems. Whilst FPTP has many many faults, Farage has shown that a small party can still hold influence without winning a huge amount of seats even under the current system. Those who advocate centrism as an answer to the current problems in society are so far off the mark it’s untrue. They’re still living in the late 90’s……
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2021 19:09:19 GMT
Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now. Why would “the left” become the British Marxist Party when there has been zero sign of anything remotely related to Marxism at any time during the last 5/6 years? Scotland is a traditional left wing country in many areas, free from the toxicity of the Labour brand a new party could make inroads…… Scotland has only been a left wing country around fifty years ago Until then they had traditionally voted unionist which then became the Tory party Scotland’s March to to left seems to coincide with the right wing voters of England paying them to carry out there political whims
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 1, 2021 19:23:24 GMT
Serious question: how would you feel about Labour being disbanded. Then the 'left' splinter off to become The British Marxist Party or something. The centre/right join with the Lib Dems? Wouldn't effect the schism in Scotland but that's no different to now. Why would “the left” become the British Marxist Party when there has been zero sign of anything remotely related to Marxism at any time during the last 5/6 years? Scotland is a traditional left wing country in many areas, free from the toxicity of the Labour brand a new party could make inroads…… Want of a tag to differentiate the left of centre ideology only. It would depend I guess on if the 'centre' alliance could a) draw in more support than lost from splintering and b) attract new support north (and south) of the border Risky strategy, but more of the same doesn't seem to be going anywhere either.
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Post by Davef on Jul 1, 2021 21:32:20 GMT
Exit polls suggesting a Tory victory in Batley and Spen.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 1, 2021 21:43:59 GMT
Exit polls suggesting a Tory victory in Batley and Spen. I think it will be relatively close, Labour have thrown the kitchen sink at it over the last few days with every MP they have door knocking, but I’m thinking Tories by 1,000 maybe? I’ll be way out for doubt :-)
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Post by Davef on Jul 1, 2021 21:51:40 GMT
Exit polls suggesting a Tory victory in Batley and Spen. I think it will be relatively close, Labour have thrown the kitchen sink at it over the last few days with every MP they have door knocking, but I’m thinking Tories by 1,000 maybe? I’ll be way out for doubt :-) 70% turnout apparently, even higher than the General Election. Not sure Starmer could survive defeat here.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 1, 2021 22:53:33 GMT
Exit polls suggesting a Tory victory in Batley and Spen. I thought they didn't do exit polls in by elections?
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