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Post by partickpotter on Mar 20, 2021 6:35:54 GMT
An article written by a “firefighter, trade union activist, pro-Brexit campaigner and 'Blue Labour' thinker”... Labour could lose HartlepoolFood for thought...
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2021 7:30:21 GMT
Mandelson urges Starmer to begin Labour policy review Lord Mandelson said "it would be wrong to make too many specific commitments early in the parliament", but his party needed polices which were "radical, credible, affordable" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56461679That'll cheer up the activists
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2021 9:31:53 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 21, 2021 9:59:41 GMT
Anyway back to reality What’s your opinion on the labour candidate for Hartlepool having to apologise for past misogynistic remarks
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 21, 2021 11:45:32 GMT
Anyway back to reality What’s your opinion on the labour candidate for Hartlepool having to apologise for past misogynistic remarks Wait till you find out some of the things our current Prime Minister has said!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2021 12:15:36 GMT
Anyway back to reality What’s your opinion on the labour candidate for Hartlepool having to apologise for past misogynistic remarks I can't say I've been closely following the Hartlepool by-election, but if he's said such things previously he should be rightly held to account for them. However, as Momo has equally rightly pointed out above, saying and writing appalling things about women and other races, often both at the same time!, is clearly no impediment for some politicians to get voted in and for those people who did so to gloss over it when it suits.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 21, 2021 12:37:23 GMT
Anyway back to reality What’s your opinion on the labour candidate for Hartlepool having to apologise for past misogynistic remarks He deleted all his all his tweets around his remain stance, but left the misogynistic tweets, the tweets about annexing Libya, casual Islamophobia etc. But he was the candidate chosen democratically so we are where we are* *he wasn’t.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 21, 2021 12:45:59 GMT
Anyway back to reality What’s your opinion on the labour candidate for Hartlepool having to apologise for past misogynistic remarks He deleted all his all his tweets around his remain stance, but left the misogynistic tweets, the tweets about annexing Libya, casual Islamophobia etc. But he was the candidate chosen democratically so we are where we are* *he wasn’t. I haven't paid much attention to this, is he really that dreadful?!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2021 12:48:19 GMT
He deleted all his all his tweets around his remain stance, but left the misogynistic tweets, the tweets about annexing Libya, casual Islamophobia etc. But he was the candidate chosen democratically so we are where we are* *he wasn’t. I haven't paid much attention to this, is he really that dreadful?! Again, no impediment to getting elected! Chuck in a few flags, have a go at migrants, blame the EU for stuff, he's already got the dodgy tweets sorted by the sound of it - might be in with a chance...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 21, 2021 12:57:29 GMT
He deleted all his all his tweets around his remain stance, but left the misogynistic tweets, the tweets about annexing Libya, casual Islamophobia etc. But he was the candidate chosen democratically so we are where we are* *he wasn’t. I haven't paid much attention to this, is he really that dreadful?! I’m all for giving people the benefit of the doubt over old tweets in fairness, some are cringeworthy and written when he was in his late 30’s as opposed to his late 40’s though so not exactly a naive teenager. I’d be more bothered by his all expenses paid trip to Saudi Arabia and his lavish praise of the regime, as well as his seeming desire to part privatise the NHS, but that’s for the people of Hartlepool to decide I guess. The Northern Independence Party seems to be gaining a lot of traction as well, be interesting to see if they take enough Labour votes to let the Tories back in, as well as the Brexit Party votes from the last election......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2021 10:41:44 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2021 10:53:40 GMT
Never has a Political movement held the base of its support in such utter contempt.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2021 11:01:29 GMT
Never has a Political movement held the base of its support in such utter contempt. Its pretty clear there is widespread corruption within the liverpool labour party / council, the report is due this week and there is an ongoing police investigation but of course these are the good guys.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2021 11:08:43 GMT
Never has a Political movement held the base of its support in such utter contempt. Its pretty clear there is widespread corruption within the liverpool labour party / council, the report is due this week and there is an ongoing police investigation but of course these are the good guys..... No one has been charged yet but let justice prevail. Regardless, a Labour leader inflicting four or five years of Tory on a City area that hasn't elected a single Tory Councillor in 27 years is both beyond parody and beneath contempt.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2021 11:26:26 GMT
Its pretty clear there is widespread corruption within the liverpool labour party / council, the report is due this week and there is an ongoing police investigation but of course these are the good guys..... No one has been charged yet but let justice prevail. Regardless, a Labour leader inflicting four or five years of Tory on a City area that hasn't elected a single Tory Councillor in 27 years is both beyond parody and beneath contempt. Four or five years what are you on about they send in inspectors to run the council while they root out the corruption, put processes in place, recruit new staff where needed then they are out and it goes back to the council to run. And if any leader inflicted tory on them its racist grandpa.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2021 11:36:23 GMT
No one has been charged yet but let justice prevail. Regardless, a Labour leader inflicting four or five years of Tory on a City area that hasn't elected a single Tory Councillor in 27 years is both beyond parody and beneath contempt. Four or five years what are you on about they send in inspectors to run the council while they root out the corruption, put processes in place, recruit new staff where needed then they are out and it goes back to the council to run. And if any leader inflicted tory on them its racist grandpa. Twaddle. It's a Political motivated act, aided and abetted by someone who hates the people and beliefs who make up the movement he supposedly leads. In that City more than anywhere else.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 24, 2021 14:23:32 GMT
Four or five years what are you on about they send in inspectors to run the council while they root out the corruption, put processes in place, recruit new staff where needed then they are out and it goes back to the council to run. And if any leader inflicted tory on them its racist grandpa. Twaddle. It's a Political motivated act, aided and abetted by someone who hates the people and beliefs who make up the movement he supposedly leads. In that City more than anywhere else. Backhanders, corruption and intimidation what do you expect to happen ? Must be bad if capt hindsight is in front of the story rather than chasing the bandwagon as usual.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2021 14:27:52 GMT
Twaddle. It's a Political motivated act, aided and abetted by someone who hates the people and beliefs who make up the movement he supposedly leads. In that City more than anywhere else. Backhanders, corruption and intimidation what do you expect to happen ? Must be bad if capt hindsight is in front of the story rather than chasing the bandwagon as usual. Imagine being lectured on corruption by Robert fucking Jenrick. It would be like Ian Huntly criticising your babysitting skills.........
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2021 16:01:59 GMT
Backhanders, corruption and intimidation what do you expect to happen ? Must be bad if capt hindsight is in front of the story rather than chasing the bandwagon as usual. Imagine being lectured on corruption by Robert fucking Jenrick. It would be like Ian Huntly criticising your babysitting skills......... He did it with a straight face as well. I expect the announcement that Tower Hamlets, one of, if not the poorest Borough in England take over Jenrick's Dept for the £40M he diddled them out of in favour of a Millionaire Tory Donor who just two weeks prior paid 12K to have dinner with Jenrick! I'm sure all those PPI and other contracts will be publicised soon as well As for Sir Keith.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2021 16:07:35 GMT
Imagine being lectured on corruption by Robert fucking Jenrick. It would be like Ian Huntly criticising your babysitting skills......... He did it with a straight face as well. I expect the announcement that Tower Hamlets, one of, if not the poorest Borough in England take over Jenrick's Dept for the £40M he diddled them out of in favour of a Millionaire Tory Donor who just two weeks prior paid 12K to have dinner with Jenrick! I'm sure all those PPI and other contracts will be publicised soon as well As for Sir Keith..... Absolutely, and I'm certainly not defending the Liverpool council here wrongdoings are wrongdoings and should be investigated accordingly. Getting lectured by Jenrick though, the brass neck of the guy! And as for Croydon, that urgently needs looking into as on face value it looks like there are lots of questions to be answered........
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2021 16:10:57 GMT
THeyre all at it lets be honest..... I dont why we're all getting in a tizzy over it.......
Its been going on for years and will do for the next god knows how many years
"Politics preys on people's naivety” ― Bangambiki Habyarimana
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Post by vokeswagen on Mar 24, 2021 16:14:33 GMT
Backhanders, corruption and intimidation what do you expect to happen ? Must be bad if capt hindsight is in front of the story rather than chasing the bandwagon as usual. Imagine being lectured on corruption by Robert fucking Jenrick. It would be like Ian Huntly criticising your babysitting skills......... Apologies, I inadvertently stole this joke on the dedicated Liverpool Council thread without realising you’d already made it using a different serial killer. Great minds
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2021 16:25:03 GMT
THeyre all at it lets be honest..... I dont why we're all getting in a tizzy over it....... Its been going on for years and will do for the next god knows how many years "Politics preys on people's naivety” ― Bangambiki Habyarimana The Liverpool Council scandal has stirred up the far left fruit loops, they are lashing out trying to muddy the waters I blame the Tories corrupt, bullying, uncaring, greedy bastards.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 24, 2021 16:31:48 GMT
Imagine being lectured on corruption by Robert fucking Jenrick. It would be like Ian Huntly criticising your babysitting skills......... Apologies, I inadvertently stole this joke on the dedicated Liverpool Council thread without realising you’d already made it using a different serial killer. Great minds The whole reaction by starmer stinks He should be opposing a Tory government taking over a democratically elected labour council and start Sorting the shit his party members have created But it seems to me he wants the Tory’s to do his dirty work Whilst he sits on his hands trying not to upset anyone I’m starting to believe he’s actually super glued to the fence
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2021 16:39:08 GMT
Apologies, I inadvertently stole this joke on the dedicated Liverpool Council thread without realising you’d already made it using a different serial killer. Great minds The whole reaction by starmer stinks He should be opposing a Tory government taking over a democratically elected labour council and start Sorting the shit his party members have created But it seems to me he wants the Tory’s to do his dirty work Whilst he sits on his hands trying not to upset anyone I’m starting to believe he’s actually super glued to the fence He’s weak as piss in a nutshell......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2021 20:21:24 GMT
Why Labour have got it wrong on " taking the knee". There's a poster, can't remember who, who "cleverly" refers to Boris as " the Bluffer "....as though that gives some superiority or at least makes the poster feel better. In reality Boris is streets ahead. Having been Lord Mayor of London for about 10 years, not bad on anyone's cv, he is now showing great resilience as Prime Minister. His demise was predicted by March. .....In actuality he is thriving Having presided over two of the biggest challenges in the history of the country.....Brexit and Covid-19. It's ok insulting him, but that will never stick, the opposition needs to look like THEY are capable of governing. Blame Boris, blame the media, blame the Tories , blame the electorate. Perhaps look closer to home. It takes some thinking through but on the issue of " taking the knee" . Basically Starmer will be associated with the image of him " taking the knee"......eager to show that he empathised, he cares, he has the higher ground. The so called bumbling Bluffer takes the opposite view.....no gesture politics, not simply conforming but thinking. He did it in his own rambling style BUT , try to understand this the left, people "unfortunately " are accepting of that, they find it a bit endearing ( ok , you might think they shouldn't....but that's your problem, not his or theirs) BLM has now been associated with more sinister political leanings , gesture politics, devisive politics.....the electorate know this. But most importantly....as the links below outline.......the UK have imported " taking the knee " from America.....AND THE CONCEPT MEANS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.......in the UK, subservience, in the USA,a legitimate protest against " institutional racism"....in fact we are in a different place.....a case of mistaken cultural appropriation. ................ From the links....... Taking the knee in America is to say I cannot respect my flag and my country while it allows systemic racism to prevail. Taking the knee rather than standing for the American national anthem is a legitimate American protest This is why Starmer is wrong to appropriate symbols such as this which in the UK means subservience to a higher authority – the exact opposite of what they mean in U.S. culture keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpg (768×432) labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpgI will stand in solidarity but I won't be bending the knee - Labour Heartlands labourheartlands.com/i-will-stand-in-solidarity-but-i-wont-be-bending-the-knee/
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2021 20:27:58 GMT
Why Labour have got it wrong on " taking the knee". There's a poster, can't remember who, who "cleverly" refers to Boris as " the Bluffer "....as though that gives some superiority or at least makes the poster feel better. In reality Boris is streets ahead. Having been Lord Mayor of London for about 10 years, not bad on anyone's cv, he is now showing great resilience as Prime Minister. His demise was predicted by March. .....In actuality he is thriving Having presided over two of the biggest challenges in the history of the country.....Brexit and Covid-19. It's ok insulting him, but that will never stick, the opposition needs to look like THEY are capable of governing. Blame Boris, blame the media, blame the Toties , blame the electorate. Perhaps look closer to home. It takes some thinking through but on the issue of " taking the knee" . Basically Starmer will be associated with the image of him " taking the knee"......eager to show that he empathised, he cares, he has the higher ground. The so called bumbling Bluffer takes the opposite view.....no gesture politics, not simply conforming but thinking. He did it in his own rambling style BUT , try to understand this the left, people "unfortunately " are accepting of that, they find it a bit endearing ( ok , you might think they shouldn't....but that's your problem, not his or theirs) BLM has now been associated with more sinister political leanings , gesture politics, devisive politics.....the electorate know this. But most importantly....as the links below outline.......the UK have imported " taking the knee " from America.....AND TGE CONCEPT MEANS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.......in the UK, subservience, in the USA,a legitimate protest against " institutional racism"....in fact we are in a different place.....a case of mistaken cultural appropriation. ................ From the links....... Taking the knee in America is to say I cannot respect my flag and my country while it allows systemic racism to prevail. Taking the knee rather than standing for the American national anthem is a legitimate American protest This is why Starmer and Rayner are wrong to appropriate symbols such as this which in the UK means allegiance to the social order – the exact opposite of what they mean in U.S. culture keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpg (768×432) labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpgI will stand in solidarity but I won't be bending the knee - Labour Heartlands labourheartlands.com/i-will-stand-in-solidarity-but-i-wont-be-bending-the-knee/Bloody hell you're easily duped, John.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2021 20:37:03 GMT
Why Labour have got it wrong on " taking the knee". There's a poster, can't remember who, who "cleverly" refers to Boris as " the Bluffer "....as though that gives some superiority or at least makes the poster feel better. In reality Boris is streets ahead. Having been Lord Mayor of London for about 10 years, not bad on anyone's cv, he is now showing great resilience as Prime Minister. His demise was predicted by March. .....In actuality he is thriving Having presided over two of the biggest challenges in the history of the country.....Brexit and Covid-19. It's ok insulting him, but that will never stick, the opposition needs to look like THEY are capable of governing. Blame Boris, blame the media, blame the Toties , blame the electorate. Perhaps look closer to home. It takes some thinking through but on the issue of " taking the knee" . Basically Starmer will be associated with the image of him " taking the knee"......eager to show that he empathised, he cares, he has the higher ground. The so called bumbling Bluffer takes the opposite view.....no gesture politics, not simply conforming but thinking. He did it in his own rambling style BUT , try to understand this the left, people "unfortunately " are accepting of that, they find it a bit endearing ( ok , you might think they shouldn't....but that's your problem, not his or theirs) BLM has now been associated with more sinister political leanings , gesture politics, devisive politics.....the electorate know this. But most importantly....as the links below outline.......the UK have imported " taking the knee " from America.....AND TGE CONCEPT MEANS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.......in the UK, subservience, in the USA,a legitimate protest against " institutional racism"....in fact we are in a different place.....a case of mistaken cultural appropriation. ................ From the links....... Taking the knee in America is to say I cannot respect my flag and my country while it allows systemic racism to prevail. Taking the knee rather than standing for the American national anthem is a legitimate American protest This is why Starmer and Rayner are wrong to appropriate symbols such as this which in the UK means allegiance to the social order – the exact opposite of what they mean in U.S. culture keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpg (768×432) labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpgI will stand in solidarity but I won't be bending the knee - Labour Heartlands labourheartlands.com/i-will-stand-in-solidarity-but-i-wont-be-bending-the-knee/Bloody hell you're easily duped, John. Why's that Sheikhy?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 24, 2021 20:40:56 GMT
Why Labour have got it wrong on " taking the knee". There's a poster, can't remember who, who "cleverly" refers to Boris as " the Bluffer "....as though that gives some superiority or at least makes the poster feel better. In reality Boris is streets ahead. Having been Lord Mayor of London for about 10 years, not bad on anyone's cv, he is now showing great resilience as Prime Minister. His demise was predicted by March. .....In actuality he is thriving Having presided over two of the biggest challenges in the history of the country.....Brexit and Covid-19. It's ok insulting him, but that will never stick, the opposition needs to look like THEY are capable of governing. Blame Boris, blame the media, blame the Toties , blame the electorate. Perhaps look closer to home. It takes some thinking through but on the issue of " taking the knee" . Basically Starmer will be associated with the image of him " taking the knee"......eager to show that he empathised, he cares, he has the higher ground. The so called bumbling Bluffer takes the opposite view.....no gesture politics, not simply conforming but thinking. He did it in his own rambling style BUT , try to understand this the left, people "unfortunately " are accepting of that, they find it a bit endearing ( ok , you might think they shouldn't....but that's your problem, not his or theirs) BLM has now been associated with more sinister political leanings , gesture politics, devisive politics.....the electorate know this. But most importantly....as the links below outline.......the UK have imported " taking the knee " from America.....AND TGE CONCEPT MEANS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.......in the UK, subservience, in the USA,a legitimate protest against " institutional racism"....in fact we are in a different place.....a case of mistaken cultural appropriation. ................ From the links....... Taking the knee in America is to say I cannot respect my flag and my country while it allows systemic racism to prevail. Taking the knee rather than standing for the American national anthem is a legitimate American protest This is why Starmer and Rayner are wrong to appropriate symbols such as this which in the UK means allegiance to the social order – the exact opposite of what they mean in U.S. culture keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpg (768×432) labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpgI will stand in solidarity but I won't be bending the knee - Labour Heartlands labourheartlands.com/i-will-stand-in-solidarity-but-i-wont-be-bending-the-knee/Why does taking the knee in the UK mean "allegiance to the social order"?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2021 20:51:21 GMT
Why Labour have got it wrong on " taking the knee". There's a poster, can't remember who, who "cleverly" refers to Boris as " the Bluffer "....as though that gives some superiority or at least makes the poster feel better. In reality Boris is streets ahead. Having been Lord Mayor of London for about 10 years, not bad on anyone's cv, he is now showing great resilience as Prime Minister. His demise was predicted by March. .....In actuality he is thriving Having presided over two of the biggest challenges in the history of the country.....Brexit and Covid-19. It's ok insulting him, but that will never stick, the opposition needs to look like THEY are capable of governing. Blame Boris, blame the media, blame the Toties , blame the electorate. Perhaps look closer to home. It takes some thinking through but on the issue of " taking the knee" . Basically Starmer will be associated with the image of him " taking the knee"......eager to show that he empathised, he cares, he has the higher ground. The so called bumbling Bluffer takes the opposite view.....no gesture politics, not simply conforming but thinking. He did it in his own rambling style BUT , try to understand this the left, people "unfortunately " are accepting of that, they find it a bit endearing ( ok , you might think they shouldn't....but that's your problem, not his or theirs) BLM has now been associated with more sinister political leanings , gesture politics, devisive politics.....the electorate know this. But most importantly....as the links below outline.......the UK have imported " taking the knee " from America.....AND TGE CONCEPT MEANS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.......in the UK, subservience, in the USA,a legitimate protest against " institutional racism"....in fact we are in a different place.....a case of mistaken cultural appropriation. ................ From the links....... Taking the knee in America is to say I cannot respect my flag and my country while it allows systemic racism to prevail. Taking the knee rather than standing for the American national anthem is a legitimate American protest This is why Starmer and Rayner are wrong to appropriate symbols such as this which in the UK means allegiance to the social order – the exact opposite of what they mean in U.S. culture keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpg (768×432) labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/keir-starmer-taking-the-knee.jpgI will stand in solidarity but I won't be bending the knee - Labour Heartlands labourheartlands.com/i-will-stand-in-solidarity-but-i-wont-be-bending-the-knee/Why does taking the knee in the UK mean "allegiance to the social order"? You're right Rip, I've rephrased the original....what I meant to say.....the idea of " taking the knee " in the UK clearly means subservience, bowing down....you know something the left are fundamentally against saybin respect of the monarchy....I think the British people largely don't like the idea of bowing down to anyone, either coerced or voluntarily.....yer we have the image of a " future Prime Minister "( ????), Boeing down......I don't think people want to see thst from their leader....eager gesture politics....there's no image of Bofis the buffoon doing that.....the links I provided explain it better than me
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