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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2024 20:27:04 GMT
He’s got to increase foreign aid somehow More hyperbolic nonsense without any substance In the final year of the last Labour Government the Defense Budget was £57Bn in the subsequent 14 years of Conservative Government they never matched that number. Last year the Defense Budget was £54.2Bn and in last months Budget Reeves increased that by £2.9Bn to £57.1Bn a new record Defense Budget The items being scrapped are past their sell by date including 40 year old Drones. The decommissioning will save about £500M which can obviously be spent more productively On taking Office Labour commissioned a defense review which is long overdue and I'd be surprised if gaps aren't identified but their is a specific place to look for the reason for that. View AttachmentTo be fair, the labour party had presided over two pretty big wars which wouldn't have come cheap😉 |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 20, 2024 20:30:31 GMT
Reeves - Haircut like a Lego Minifigure Personally she could be bald for all I care as long as she's competent which as far as I'm concerned she has been, so far. I realise such things matter to someone people because your the second person to comment on her hair in the last hour, I find it superficial but hey-ho. Would a male Chancellor have comments made about his hair, I'm not too sure. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 20, 2024 20:38:23 GMT
More hyperbolic nonsense without any substance In the final year of the last Labour Government the Defense Budget was £57Bn in the subsequent 14 years of Conservative Government they never matched that number. Last year the Defense Budget was £54.2Bn and in last months Budget Reeves increased that by £2.9Bn to £57.1Bn a new record Defense Budget The items being scrapped are past their sell by date including 40 year old Drones. The decommissioning will save about £500M which can obviously be spent more productively On taking Office Labour commissioned a defense review which is long overdue and I'd be surprised if gaps aren't identified but their is a specific place to look for the reason for that. View AttachmentTo be fair, the labour party had presided over two pretty big wars which wouldn't have come cheap😉  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2024 20:39:08 GMT
Reeves - Haircut like a Lego Minifigure Personally she could be bald for all I care as long as she's competent which as far as I'm concerned she has been, so far. I realise such things matter to someone people because your the second person to comment on her hair in the last hour, I find it superficial but hey-ho. Would a male Chancellor have comments made about his hair, I'm not too sure. I’m sure Norman Lamonts eyebrows were the source of much hilarity back in the day |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2024 20:41:37 GMT
To be fair, the labour party had presided over two pretty big wars which wouldn't have come cheap😉 ? |
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Post by marwood on Nov 20, 2024 20:41:50 GMT
Reeves - Haircut like a Lego Minifigure Personally she could be bald for all I care as long as she's competent which as far as I'm concerned she has been, so far. I realise such things matter to someone people because your the second person to comment on her hair in the last hour, I find it superficial but hey-ho. Would a male Chancellor have comments made about his hair, I'm not too sure. Cant get past the minifigure head myself. Lying on the CV is nearly as bad Yes Id say it of a male as well A prime example is Martin Freeman. Although thats more Playmobil man hair than minifigure hair-same thing though |
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Post by marwood on Nov 20, 2024 20:44:20 GMT
Personally she could be bald for all I care as long as she's competent which as far as I'm concerned she has been, so far. I realise such things matter to someone people because your the second person to comment on her hair in the last hour, I find it superficial but hey-ho. Would a male Chancellor have comments made about his hair, I'm not too sure. I’m sure Norman Lamonts eyebrows were the source of much hilarity back in the day Denis Healy did more for male eyebrow presenteeism than any man up until Liam Gallagher ALthough the latter was more monobrow and he wasnt (as yet) a politician Sir Rhodes Boyson had a great set of lamb chop sideboards -almost without equal |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 20, 2024 20:45:09 GMT
I’m sure Norman Lamonts eyebrows were the source of much hilarity back in the day Denis Healy did more for male eyebrow presenteeism than any man up until Liam Gallagher ALthough the latter was more monobrow and he wasnt (as yet) a politician Sir Rhodes Boyson had a great set of lamb chop sideboards -almost without equal Alistair Darling too? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2024 20:50:56 GMT
Denis Healy did more for male eyebrow presenteeism than any man up until Liam Gallagher ALthough the latter was more monobrow and he wasnt (as yet) a politician Sir Rhodes Boyson had a great set of lamb chop sideboards -almost without equal Alistair Darling too? Wannabee must have never seen Spitting Image |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 20, 2024 20:52:27 GMT
Personally she could be bald for all I care as long as she's competent which as far as I'm concerned she has been, so far. I realise such things matter to someone people because your the second person to comment on her hair in the last hour, I find it superficial but hey-ho. Would a male Chancellor have comments made about his hair, I'm not too sure. I’m sure Norman Lamonts eyebrows were the source of much hilarity back in the day Nobody was laughing on Black Wednesday when Lamont crashed the £ and BoE had to step in costing the UK up to £30Bn a tidy sum back in 1997 As I said competence is the foremost requirement for me, obviously others have different criteria |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 20, 2024 20:54:31 GMT
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Post by marwood on Nov 20, 2024 20:55:21 GMT
Denis Healy did more for male eyebrow presenteeism than any man up until Liam Gallagher ALthough the latter was more monobrow and he wasnt (as yet) a politician Sir Rhodes Boyson had a great set of lamb chop sideboards -almost without equal Alistair Darling too? Thank you Darling I had forgotten about him - he did wonders for those of hair/brow colour mismatch disparity* *that should read, when you say it -Thank you (pause). Darling (another pause) I had forgotten about him Rather than- what might first appear an over familiar -Thank you Darling I had forgotten about him |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2024 20:59:50 GMT
I’m sure Norman Lamonts eyebrows were the source of much hilarity back in the day Nobody was laughing on Black Wednesday when Lamont crashed the £ and BoE had to step in costing the UK up to £30Bn a tidy sum back in 1997 As I said competence is the foremost requirement for me, obviously others have different criteria Cheer up mate. |
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Post by marwood on Nov 20, 2024 21:05:26 GMT
in the interest of fairness and balance, I must say that Angela Rayner has great hair
And she doesnt lie on her CV either.
Zac Goldsmith-great hair also
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 20, 2024 21:21:15 GMT
The net zero gravy train. Anyone found that 41bn yet 😆 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2024 21:26:23 GMT
The net zero gravy train. Anyone found that 41bn yet 😆 That’s 41 Storm Shadow missiles we could be pumping into Russia! Priorities😉 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 20, 2024 21:57:14 GMT
Thank you Darling I had forgotten about him - he did wonders for those of hair/brow colour mismatch disparity* *that should read, when you say it -Thank you (pause). Darling (another pause) I had forgotten about him Rather than- what might first appear an over familiar -Thank you Darling I had forgotten about him No problem precious. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
Remember when centrists used to complain about integrity and trust in politics.
And then compulsive liar Starner and his cronies got elected and they just never cared about integrity again.
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 12:02:01 GMT
Said it months ago that Dale's sudden switch to labour was all about greed. As soon as government investment in renewable energy became a joint enterprise with private companies he quickly changed allegiance. Was even out campaigning for Labour against Green party 🤣. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 21, 2024 12:30:13 GMT
Said it months ago that Dale's sudden switch to labour was all about greed. As soon as government investment in renewable energy became a joint enterprise with private companies he quickly changed allegiance. Was even out campaigning for Labour against Green party 🤣. Which came first, Vince’s opinions about Green Energy or Labour’s? Obviously Vince’s. And when Labour’s approach to green energy wasn’t as green as it is now, Vince backed the Greens. Perhaps he felt they were more aligned to him in terms of green energy. Now Labour are more pro green energy than they were, he switches to Labour. It isn’t the most surprising of moves. Vince has been involved in green energy since the 1980s. He would have benefited from a Labour government with or without his support. It isn’t like he had a chat with Miliband a year ago, set up a green energy company and then campaigned like mad for Labour and won a big contract as a result. He has been in the industry for almost 50 years. It should be innovators such as him working on green energy for the government. It seems a sensible matchup to me. He may financially benefit but that doesn’t mean it is corrupt. Who would you say is better equipped than him to help with green energy in this country? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 12:33:42 GMT
Said it months ago that Dale's sudden switch to labour was all about greed. As soon as government investment in renewable energy became a joint enterprise with private companies he quickly changed allegiance. Was even out campaigning for Labour against Green party 🤣. Which came first, Vince’s opinions about Green Energy or Labour’s? Obviously Vince’s. And when Labour’s approach to green energy wasn’t as green as it is now, Vince backed the Greens. Perhaps he felt they were more aligned to him in terms of green energy. Now Labour are more pro green energy than they were, he switches to Labour. It isn’t the most surprising of moves. Vince has been involved in green energy since the 1980s. He would have benefited from a Labour government with or without his support. It isn’t like he had a chat with Miliband a year ago, set up a green energy company and then campaigned like mad for Labour and won a big contract as a result. He has been in the industry for almost 50 years. It should be innovators such as him working on green energy for the government. It seems a sensible matchup to me. He may financially benefit but that doesn’t mean it is corrupt. Who would you say is better equipped than him to help with green energy in this country? Good argument mate. Which is why during covid when there was such demand for PPE that it made sense for the government to break protocol and reach out directly to contacts they believed could help in a competitive market at the time? Right? Anyone can defend cronyism. But you risk looking a hypocrite if you've been complaining about it for the last few years. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 21, 2024 12:56:20 GMT
Which came first, Vince’s opinions about Green Energy or Labour’s? Obviously Vince’s. And when Labour’s approach to green energy wasn’t as green as it is now, Vince backed the Greens. Perhaps he felt they were more aligned to him in terms of green energy. Now Labour are more pro green energy than they were, he switches to Labour. It isn’t the most surprising of moves. Vince has been involved in green energy since the 1980s. He would have benefited from a Labour government with or without his support. It isn’t like he had a chat with Miliband a year ago, set up a green energy company and then campaigned like mad for Labour and won a big contract as a result. He has been in the industry for almost 50 years. It should be innovators such as him working on green energy for the government. It seems a sensible matchup to me. He may financially benefit but that doesn’t mean it is corrupt. Who would you say is better equipped than him to help with green energy in this country? Good argument mate. Which is why during covid when there was such demand for PPE that it made sense for the government to break protocol and reach out directly to contacts they believed could help in a competitive market at the time? Right? Anyone can defend cronyism. But you risk looking a hypocrite if you've been complaining about it for the last few years. The thing I complained about re covid was ministers getting their mates to set up companies who had no history of providing ppe and then awarding them massive contracts. The actual PPE providers who got awarded big contracts were the right people to give the contracts to. Who else is better placed to provide PPE in an emergency than companies with a history of providing PPE? Vince has been in green energy for the best part of 50 years. Who is better placed to assist the government with green energy? Unless you are suggesting he set up his company 50 years ago in anticipation of this moment in 2024, then where is the corruption or cronyism? i assume you believe there is cronyism in the AG appointment? And the justice minister appointment, the guy who heads Timpsons? He must have known by giving jobs to ex convicts for all these years was building up to this 2024 government, right!? The covid fast track system with new companies and this couldn’t be further apart. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 21, 2024 21:01:56 GMT
Davos or Westminster 🤔
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 21, 2024 21:32:22 GMT
Good argument mate. Which is why during covid when there was such demand for PPE that it made sense for the government to break protocol and reach out directly to contacts they believed could help in a competitive market at the time? Right? Anyone can defend cronyism. But you risk looking a hypocrite if you've been complaining about it for the last few years. The thing I complained about re covid was ministers getting their mates to set up companies who had no history of providing ppe and then awarding them massive contracts. The actual PPE providers who got awarded big contracts were the right people to give the contracts to. Who else is better placed to provide PPE in an emergency than companies with a history of providing PPE? Vince has been in green energy for the best part of 50 years. Who is better placed to assist the government with green energy? Unless you are suggesting he set up his company 50 years ago in anticipation of this moment in 2024, then where is the corruption or cronyism? i assume you believe there is cronyism in the AG appointment? And the justice minister appointment, the guy who heads Timpsons? He must have known by giving jobs to ex convicts for all these years was building up to this 2024 government, right!? The covid fast track system with new companies and this couldn’t be further apart. A gravy train is still a gravy train no matter what an individuals length of experience is. And this net zero is one fucking gargantuan gravy train with grifters looking to get in on the action all over the shop. The ppe shit by the last administration was disgusting I won't argue that. Edit And whilst we're on grifting it appears one can pretend to be an economist and end up getting the biggest economist's job in the land. Bravo 👏 😆 |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 21, 2024 22:17:37 GMT
The thing I complained about re covid was ministers getting their mates to set up companies who had no history of providing ppe and then awarding them massive contracts. The actual PPE providers who got awarded big contracts were the right people to give the contracts to. Who else is better placed to provide PPE in an emergency than companies with a history of providing PPE? Vince has been in green energy for the best part of 50 years. Who is better placed to assist the government with green energy? Unless you are suggesting he set up his company 50 years ago in anticipation of this moment in 2024, then where is the corruption or cronyism? i assume you believe there is cronyism in the AG appointment? And the justice minister appointment, the guy who heads Timpsons? He must have known by giving jobs to ex convicts for all these years was building up to this 2024 government, right!? The covid fast track system with new companies and this couldn’t be further apart. A gravy train is still a gravy train no matter what an individuals length of experience is. And this net zero is one fucking gargantuan gravy train with grifters looking to get in on the action all over the shop. The ppe shit by the last administration was disgusting I won't argue that. Edit And whilst we're on grifting it appears one can pretend to be an economist and end up getting the biggest economist's job in the land. Bravo 👏 😆 So in your opinion public money can never be put in the hands of the private sector else it is a “gravy train”. Don’t ask the most qualified and experienced for advice at all. Fair enough, but I disagree. The public sector will always need help from the private sector for big projects. It would be negligent and costly for the public sector to always have their own in house everything. As an example, every school would need to employ its own wraparound care providers who would not be able to work for a private company. Every school would have the facilities and staff to make their lunches etc etc etc. Who are you taxing to fund the massive expansion of the public sector? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 21, 2024 22:21:39 GMT
A gravy train is still a gravy train no matter what an individuals length of experience is. And this net zero is one fucking gargantuan gravy train with grifters looking to get in on the action all over the shop. The ppe shit by the last administration was disgusting I won't argue that. Edit And whilst we're on grifting it appears one can pretend to be an economist and end up getting the biggest economist's job in the land. Bravo 👏 😆 So in your opinion public money can never be put in the hands of the private sector else it is a “gravy train”. Don’t ask the most qualified and experienced for advice at all. Fair enough, but I disagree. The public sector will always need help from the private sector for big projects. It would be negligent and costly for the public sector to always have their own in house everything. Nope, that's not even nearly what my opinion is 👍 |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 21, 2024 22:23:13 GMT
So in your opinion public money can never be put in the hands of the private sector else it is a “gravy train”. Don’t ask the most qualified and experienced for advice at all. Fair enough, but I disagree. The public sector will always need help from the private sector for big projects. It would be negligent and costly for the public sector to always have their own in house everything. Nope, that's not even nearly what my opinion is 👍 Do elaborate then. You don’t think public money can go to a private company without it being a “gravy train”? Like wraparound care in schools for example. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 22:45:57 GMT
Good argument mate. Which is why during covid when there was such demand for PPE that it made sense for the government to break protocol and reach out directly to contacts they believed could help in a competitive market at the time? Right? Anyone can defend cronyism. But you risk looking a hypocrite if you've been complaining about it for the last few years. The thing I complained about re covid was ministers getting their mates to set up companies who had no history of providing ppe and then awarding them massive contracts. The actual PPE providers who got awarded big contracts were the right people to give the contracts to. Who else is better placed to provide PPE in an emergency than companies with a history of providing PPE? Vince has been in green energy for the best part of 50 years. Who is better placed to assist the government with green energy? Unless you are suggesting he set up his company 50 years ago in anticipation of this moment in 2024, then where is the corruption or cronyism? i assume you believe there is cronyism in the AG appointment? And the justice minister appointment, the guy who heads Timpsons? He must have known by giving jobs to ex convicts for all these years was building up to this 2024 government, right!? The covid fast track system with new companies and this couldn’t be further apart. I believe its cronyism because the green party actually wanted to invest significantly more in green energy through taxes which would impact people like Dale. Labour on the other hand changed their green investment pledge to suddenly be a joint private investment venture. And Dale a green advocate jumps ship. Most people switching between Green and Labour went the other direction last election. So what was it which made "green" Dale jump on board with Labour oggy? Lower taxes and cushy contracts? Or a sudden realisation that Keir Starmer and Labour just match all his political beliefs? Maybe I'm the naive one. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 22, 2024 5:04:45 GMT
This is absolutely terrifying....
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 5:52:27 GMT
Remember when centrists used to complain about integrity and trust in politics. And then compulsive liar Starner and his cronies got elected and they just never cared about integrity again. Followed by a lot of squirming, defending and trying to justify why they’ve been corrupt or in the cases of the suits paying for something when they’ve been caught out to make themselves look honourable. Ultimately they’re pretty much all as bad as each other with the odd exception. Politicians are the new estate agents / traffic wardens  |
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