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Post by tuum on Aug 20, 2024 19:32:32 GMT
I know that anyone who owns more than one property is suffering from first world problems if they are worried about their investment value because their tenants, who would kill to own just one property, are being given some more rights. If someone falls sick and owns two properties, I have a lot of sympathy for them. What about the person who falls sick but owns no property? I think we have a landlord problem, but not every landlord is a problem. We also have an increasing airbnb problem too which probably isn't helped by the number of unprocessed asylum seekers in hotels. Airbnb is a bigger problem in my opinion because properties lie empty, prices are higher, risk is lower but I understand why people choose to do it. You get a lot less shit as a landlord from Airbnb than you do from long term rentals. Many cities overseas are now trying to resolve the Airbnb problem to try and keep housing available or to keep prices affordable to locals.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 19:37:45 GMT
Lord Sugar has worked hard, but does he really need state benefits? What about Tony Blair? I agree the threshold where the benefit is lost is too low, but given, on average, pensioners have a higher average income than workers these days, universal benefits for them seems mental. Why not give young families universal income instead? They are generally poorer and more in need than pensioners. Obviously the answer is to give to the poor and needy only. Not everyone. Reward for hard work is something that’s lost on the give everything to the do nothing brigade. So you are presumably opposed to any form of winter fuel allowance, even to poor pensioners, because they may not have worked hard?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 19:39:27 GMT
I know that anyone who owns more than one property is suffering from first world problems if they are worried about their investment value because their tenants, who would kill to own just one property, are being given some more rights. If someone falls sick and owns two properties, I have a lot of sympathy for them. What about the person who falls sick but owns no property? I could own one property, work in the public sector and have a govt subsidised pension pot of £1m which gives me £40k a year guaranteed plus a lump sum and early retirement. Or I could work as a self employed person with no support system,take all the risk,and own 2 rental properties worth £800k which returns £25k a year. Your argument carries no weight with me. Or you could be a career landlord with 50 properties across multiple offshore based companies. Ultimately, anyone who owns more than 1 property is almost certainly above average wealth and will be fine having a bit of a restriction on enforcing rent rises for their tenant, and only being able to evict them for good reason rather than because they want more money.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 19:42:02 GMT
This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?). They aren’t doing that at all. Non-payment of rent remains a reason you can evict a tenant. It is the no fault evictions being prohibited.
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 20, 2024 19:46:20 GMT
Or maybe trying to bully the small time landlords out so the property tycoons can slide in as they'd have the means to do the court cases and what not. I have no pension. I chose to invest in property. I treat my tenants very well. I am aware of the cost of living and my rents are 20-25% below market value. I think I am a good landlord but I have to say the govt sees me as the villan. I have had 3 instances of tenants misbehaving and each time it has cost me 1-2 years rent to evict them. The govt keeps adding more regulations to improve the tenants rights but seems not to care that there will inevitably be rent increases to cover those costs. Simply put, they don't really care. I have sold a couple of properties in the last few years because of the hassle,but they have been bought by other landlords not by young first time buyers. The problem is not 90% of landlords. The problems is government, house builders, housing associations and 'slum' landlords. This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 19:48:09 GMT
Reward for hard work is something that’s lost on the give everything to the do nothing brigade. So you are presumably opposed to any form of winter fuel allowance, even to poor pensioners, because they may not have worked hard? Damn your whataboutery😉 no need to get all defensive mate
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 20:17:02 GMT
So you are presumably opposed to any form of winter fuel allowance, even to poor pensioners, because they may not have worked hard? Damn your whataboutery😉 no need to get all defensive mate Defensive? I was just testing your principles of what you say you believe in. Why not answer the question?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 20:17:59 GMT
Damn your whataboutery😉 no need to get all defensive mate Defensive? I was just testing your principles of what you say you believe in. Why not answer the question? It was a generalisation, are you Spencer in disguise?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 20, 2024 20:27:02 GMT
Or maybe just let the govt compulsory purchase it for buttons and let someone else have it. Mind you the way Starmer is going that might be one of his next policies 😆 Detached from reality You and Starmer most certainly are chief.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 21:28:34 GMT
You and Starmer most certainly are chief. The only big compulsory purchase scheme recently was for HS2 under the tories. Then they sold back the land at cut prices to their mates before Labour usurped them.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 21:29:22 GMT
Defensive? I was just testing your principles of what you say you believe in. Why not answer the question? It was a generalisation, are you Spencer in disguise? So you don’t believe in what you say.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 21:40:04 GMT
I have no pension. I chose to invest in property. I treat my tenants very well. I am aware of the cost of living and my rents are 20-25% below market value. I think I am a good landlord but I have to say the govt sees me as the villan. I have had 3 instances of tenants misbehaving and each time it has cost me 1-2 years rent to evict them. The govt keeps adding more regulations to improve the tenants rights but seems not to care that there will inevitably be rent increases to cover those costs. Simply put, they don't really care. I have sold a couple of properties in the last few years because of the hassle,but they have been bought by other landlords not by young first time buyers. The problem is not 90% of landlords. The problems is government, house builders, housing associations and 'slum' landlords. This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?) It sounds like you are a good landlord. But what if you weren’t. You didn’t repairs things and made your tenant’s lives miserable. There is pretty much nothing a tenant can do about it. They can’t afford to instruct a lawyer to take you to court. There are very few rental properties on the market so cannot leave without upfront money for a deposit elsewhere and they need to find a new property. And if you as their current landlord don’t give them a good reference then they have no chance finding a new place. So they are completely screwed. Tenants certainly need better protections for their home. Having a secure place to live should not be a privilege for the rich or those who are lucky to have a nice landlord. It should be an absolute right. Particularly for children. You of course need your pension. But you have chosen property to invest in and that has done very well for you by the sounds of it. Not being able to evict your tenant so you can air bnb the property is not nearly as negative an impact for you than a family being evicted from their home for that very reason. That one of the things the new laws will do to protect tenants.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 20, 2024 21:42:39 GMT
You and Starmer most certainly are chief. The only big compulsory purchase scheme recently was for HS2 under the tories. Then they sold back the land at cut prices to their mates before Labour usurped them. The so called Conservatives were detached from reality too..
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 20, 2024 21:43:11 GMT
The only big compulsory purchase scheme recently was for HS2 under the tories. Then they sold back the land at cut prices to their mates before Labour usurped them. The so called Conservatives were detached from reality too.. That’s something we can certainly agree on
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 20, 2024 22:29:36 GMT
You and Starmer most certainly are chief. The only big compulsory purchase scheme recently was for HS2 under the tories. Then they sold back the land at cut prices to their mates before Labour usurped them. Please provide evidence for your above statement. Please don't post something said on X. I am keen that the scheme is restarted by the new Labour government at some future point in time in the interests of Manchester, with a high speed link on to Leeds/Bradford. I appreciate this may appear a vain hope at this time. This link does not confirm your statement: inews.co.uk/news/politics/hs2-revived-government-owns-land-birmingham-manchester-3163241#:~:text=But%20it%20has%20not%20happened,still%20owned%20by%20the%20Government. It is hard to know what the new government policy is on many things as most of the stuff on the government web site has "This was published under the 2022 to 2024 Sunak Conservative government" stamped at the head of it, suggesting everything is up for review.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 20, 2024 22:42:55 GMT
Starmageddon is starting to get into full flow I see..
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 21, 2024 5:04:43 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 21, 2024 6:10:42 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 21, 2024 6:13:02 GMT
Worrying, but by taxes they I think mean cgt and iht. So at least they shouldn’t be breaking an election promise. I’m all for higher taxes on wealth. And they still want a 1% increase in departmental spending (obviously a real terms cut with inflation). I’m not sure what they plan to be tough on when it comes to benefits, but we have seen they are cutting the univeral state benefit of the winter fuel allowance.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 21, 2024 6:33:36 GMT
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Post by 4372 on Aug 21, 2024 6:35:23 GMT
They should definitely impose a new tax on anyone who ever thought voting Tory would be a good idea.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 6:56:07 GMT
They should definitely impose a new tax on anyone who ever thought voting Tory would be a good idea. I think anyone over 6ft tall should pay more tax. Doorways everywhere have to be made bigger to accommodate them, clothing companies have to make outsize clothes, car companies have to make bigger cars etc. Women appear to find them more attractive than they do us shortarses (known as PORGS - in the RN 🙂) so it would serve the buggers right 😄
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 21, 2024 7:06:14 GMT
Which ls what a financially responsible government should be doing. After 14 years the Tories have left us in the shit and their uncoasted pre-election tax bribes have just made things worse. The entire economy needs turning round before Labour can afford to make inroads on its social policies. To be fair Starmer never made any massive promises about fixing things as soon as he got in. That was Corbyn and for good reason not enough people believed him. I'm not a big fan of Starmer and in particular his lack of support for fundamental political reform. However it is a relief to have people in government who are proactive, professional and prepared to make difficult decisions even if it means being unpopular.
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 21, 2024 7:36:01 GMT
This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?) It sounds like you are a good landlord. But what if you weren’t. You didn’t repairs things and made your tenant’s lives miserable. There is pretty much nothing a tenant can do about it. They can’t afford to instruct a lawyer to take you to court. There are very few rental properties on the market so cannot leave without upfront money for a deposit elsewhere and they need to find a new property. And if you as their current landlord don’t give them a good reference then they have no chance finding a new place. So they are completely screwed. Tenants certainly need better protections for their home. Having a secure place to live should not be a privilege for the rich or those who are lucky to have a nice landlord. It should be an absolute right. Particularly for children. You of course need your pension. But you have chosen property to invest in and that has done very well for you by the sounds of it. Not being able to evict your tenant so you can air bnb the property is not nearly as negative an impact for you than a family being evicted from their home for that very reason. That one of the things the new laws will do to protect tenants. I agree that unscrupulous landlords shouldn't have tenants over a barrel which many do - particularly down south where properties are ridiculously expensive. All I ask is that if a landlord has a rogue tenant, they shouldn't have to go through a ridiculously long process to reclaim the property and to allow a decent paying tenant to take their place. A section 8 shouldn't be so drawn out particularly for rent arrears which are very easy to prove. Abolishing section 21 without reforming the courts will simply mean they get swamped - I can easily see it taking 2+ years to get rid of problem tenants if they refuse to cooperate which is completely unreasonable.
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 21, 2024 7:37:45 GMT
Worrying, but by taxes they I think mean cgt and iht. So at least they shouldn’t be breaking an election promise. I’m all for higher taxes on wealth. And they still want a 1% increase in departmental spending (obviously a real terms cut with inflation). I’m not sure what they plan to be tough on when it comes to benefits, but we have seen they are cutting the univeral state benefit of the winter fuel allowance. IHT is the obvious one to go after in my opinion. Many people have benefited from house inflation and done absolutely bugger all to earn it apart from buying at the 'right' time.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 21, 2024 7:39:27 GMT
Sunak/Conservatives had intended to resell the compulsory purchased land before a General Election and put in place the means to do so but in keeping with their general incompetence no land was resold. What Sunak/Conservatives did do was remove "Safeguarding" along the proposed line between Birmingham and Manchester which had prohibited any development along that line for other purposes. Whether this has been acted upon I have no idea. In any case Labour has no plans to resurrect HS2, it was not in Labour Manifesto nor was it in the Kings speech. In fact the Kings speech specifically ruled it out but instead it would repurpose the High Speed Rail (Crew - Manchester) Bill to improve Northern East/West Rail connectivity as part of the overall plan to nationalise under Great British Railways as each franchise ends. As the coffers as somewhat limited it will probably include Private investment
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 21, 2024 7:57:22 GMT
They should definitely impose a new tax on anyone who ever thought voting Tory would be a good idea. I think anyone over 6ft tall should pay more tax. Doorways everywhere have to be made bigger to accommodate them, clothing companies have to make outsize clothes, car companies have to make bigger cars etc. Women appear to find them more attractive than they do us shortarses (known as PORGS - in the RN 🙂) so it would serve the buggers right 😄 Doorways are generally 6ft 6 so no problems there😉
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 21, 2024 7:59:20 GMT
It sounds like you are a good landlord. But what if you weren’t. You didn’t repairs things and made your tenant’s lives miserable. There is pretty much nothing a tenant can do about it. They can’t afford to instruct a lawyer to take you to court. There are very few rental properties on the market so cannot leave without upfront money for a deposit elsewhere and they need to find a new property. And if you as their current landlord don’t give them a good reference then they have no chance finding a new place. So they are completely screwed. Tenants certainly need better protections for their home. Having a secure place to live should not be a privilege for the rich or those who are lucky to have a nice landlord. It should be an absolute right. Particularly for children. You of course need your pension. But you have chosen property to invest in and that has done very well for you by the sounds of it. Not being able to evict your tenant so you can air bnb the property is not nearly as negative an impact for you than a family being evicted from their home for that very reason. That one of the things the new laws will do to protect tenants. I agree that unscrupulous landlords shouldn't have tenants over a barrel which many do - particularly down south where properties are ridiculously expensive. All I ask is that if a landlord has a rogue tenant, they shouldn't have to go through a ridiculously long process to reclaim the property and to allow a decent paying tenant to take their place. A section 8 shouldn't be so drawn out particularly for rent arrears which are very easy to prove. Abolishing section 21 without reforming the courts will simply mean they get swamped - I can easily see it taking 2+ years to get rid of problem tenants if they refuse to cooperate which is completely unreasonable. It takes about that long now. The court system isn’t fit for this purpose.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 21, 2024 8:15:21 GMT
Thank you. I couldn't find any evidence to support your statement that any land has actually been sold either. As with so many other things in politics, if you throw enough dirt some of it sticks. Not that it's necessary in the case of the Tories. As I posted I am more concerned with HS2 than politicians. We need to build new rail links for the fast traffic, so that the old Victorian network can be used for commuting, goods traffic, and reducing the burden on motorways and air traffic. So I hope the land is leased until it is needed for HS2 to Manchester and eventually the whole of the country. The alternative will be a third M6, A1M toll, M4 toll, etc., etc. We cannot go on endlessly building extra and wider motorways, or standing on a train from Kings Cross to Northallerton as I have had to do in the past.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Aug 21, 2024 8:49:18 GMT
Half the people here like Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky and the other half like Douglas Murray and Peter Hitchens. We'll be talking over each other forever 😂
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