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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 2, 2024 10:48:41 GMT
They're really not very good at this government thing are they 😬 Climate aid. What an utter scam. Lining pockets for a non-existent enemy again. Still in denial I see. Unbelievable
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Post by salopstick on Aug 2, 2024 11:07:46 GMT
Current council tax - The value is based on the price the property would have sold for on the open market on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales.
Band Value at 1 April 1991 A up to £40,000 B £40,001 to £52,000 C £52,001 to £68,000 D £68,001 to £88,000 E £88,001 to £120,000 F £120,001 to £160,000 G £160,001 to £320,000 H more than £320,000
So band H is in the twitter example the £500k house now worth £1.5m
How i read that is that the masses in band a-g get stung. If your house was worth £320k in 1991 a fucking shit load then or millions you pay the same council tax. IE the uber wealthy not getting stung
I think I moved from band B to E 2 years ago and my council tax pretty much wemt from £130 to £250 ish and that was only from a 3 to 4 bedroom house
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Post by Dave the Rave on Aug 2, 2024 11:13:51 GMT
Current council tax - The value is based on the price the property would have sold for on the open market on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales. Band Value at 1 April 1991 A up to £40,000 B £40,001 to £52,000 C £52,001 to £68,000 D £68,001 to £88,000 E £88,001 to £120,000 F £120,001 to £160,000 G £160,001 to £320,000 H more than £320,000 So band H is in the twitter example the £500k house now worth £1.5m How i read that is that the masses in band a-g get stung. If your house was worth £320k in 1991 a fucking shit load then or millions you pay the same council tax. IE the uber wealthy not getting stung I think I moved from band B to E 2 years ago and my council tax pretty much wemt from £130 to £250 ish and that was only from a 3 to 4 bedroom house The bands are index linked though so it's what your house would have been worth in 1991 that it's based on. It doesn't matter if it's increased in value significantly since then. (Unless of course it was due to an extension or something similar)
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Post by desman2 on Aug 2, 2024 11:27:52 GMT
Climate aid. What an utter scam. Lining pockets for a non-existent enemy again. Still in denial I see. Unbelievable The concept might not be a scam but the way this country deals with it is. Shut down our carbon producing facilities and move it somewhere else only to have it brought back when every cargo ship or energy supply ship rolls up at our ports.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 2, 2024 11:31:51 GMT
Current council tax - The value is based on the price the property would have sold for on the open market on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales. Band Value at 1 April 1991 A up to £40,000 B £40,001 to £52,000 C £52,001 to £68,000 D £68,001 to £88,000 E £88,001 to £120,000 F £120,001 to £160,000 G £160,001 to £320,000 H more than £320,000 So band H is in the twitter example the £500k house now worth £1.5m How i read that is that the masses in band a-g get stung. If your house was worth £320k in 1991 a fucking shit load then or millions you pay the same council tax. IE the uber wealthy not getting stung I think I moved from band B to E 2 years ago and my council tax pretty much wemt from £130 to £250 ish and that was only from a 3 to 4 bedroom house The bands are index linked though so it's what your house would have been worth in 1991 that it's based on. It doesn't matter if it's increased in value significantly since then. (Unless of course it was due to an extension or something similar) My point is there are 7 bands up to £320k the masses and 1 band for the wealthy £320k+
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Post by gawa on Aug 2, 2024 11:34:03 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 2, 2024 11:41:51 GMT
A good summary on current state of affairs: Blakeley is but one in a long line of super-posh leftists who lecture the proletariat on the class system
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Post by gawa on Aug 2, 2024 11:46:34 GMT
A good summary on current state of affairs: Blakeley is but one in a long line of super-posh leftists who lecture the proletariat on the class system Laurence Fox/Andrew Neil/Katie Hopkins/Replace with many other examples is but one in a longine of super posh rightist who lecture the proletariat on migrants/people on benefits/people worse off while being paid by even richer and posher people to push said division. It's a strawman argument to imply that because someone is "posh" they can't stand up for the working man. Michael Foot certainly wasn't born into poverty but fought alot more for the working man than the son of a toolmaker. If you disagree with Grace then attack the argument not the individual.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2024 11:54:12 GMT
I see the proposals for Council Tax are starting to leak out🤔 Scrapping of the banding categories and charging households 0.5 % of the value of the house per year(if I’ve read it correctly) Edit-looks like I might have read it wrong😊 if you were buying a £500k house 20 years ago you had some cash, if its now worth £1.5m you still have some cash or its ridiculosly too big for you. That seems quite reasonable. I would save over £1200 a year Indeed. I actually think it's a bloody good idea. The obvious problem would be where somebody like Morris and Mabel have lived in the same home for 50 years and seen it's value rise considerably and they're not cash rich at the moment but I'm sure that if needed (and I'm not sure it will be) some sort of mechanism could be introduced so they don't get clobbered with a sudden hit. There's people currently living in Kensington and Chelsea paying £1500 a year council tax, when their property is worth £2,000,000! It would be so much fairer for the less well off in society and it would slam the breaks on the ever increasing rise in house prices, hopefully meaning that eventually, younger people will be able to get their feet on the first rung of the property ladder.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2024 11:58:21 GMT
A good summary on current state of affairs: Absolutely bang on the money! 👏👏👏
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Post by knype on Aug 2, 2024 12:18:13 GMT
A good summary on current state of affairs: Blakeley is but one in a long line of super-posh leftists who lecture the proletariat on the class system Spot on, there will be a few on here who will hang off every word that champagne socialist says...
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 2, 2024 12:29:23 GMT
With regards violence, i'm not arsed if the perpertrators are right wing, left wing, black, white etc. - its completely unacceptable no matter whatever the circumstances. Its often just thuggery at the end of the day and it shouldnt be tolerated.
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Post by henry on Aug 2, 2024 12:31:47 GMT
if you were buying a £500k house 20 years ago you had some cash, if its now worth £1.5m you still have some cash or its ridiculosly too big for you. That seems quite reasonable. I would save over £1200 a year Indeed. I actually think it's a bloody good idea. The obvious problem would be where somebody like Morris and Mabel have lived in the same home for 50 years and seen it's value rise considerably and they're not cash rich at the moment but I'm sure that if needed (and I'm not sure it will be) some sort of mechanism could be introduced so they don't get clobbered with a sudden hit. There's people currently living in Kensington and Chelsea paying £1500 a year council tax, when their property is worth £2,000,000! It would be so much fairer for the less well off in society and it would slam the breaks on the ever increasing rise in house prices, hopefully meaning that eventually, younger people will be able to get their feet on the first rung of the property ladder. A least Morris and Mabel will be able to keep their heating on throughout winter...oh hang on...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2024 13:30:51 GMT
Indeed. I actually think it's a bloody good idea. The obvious problem would be where somebody like Morris and Mabel have lived in the same home for 50 years and seen it's value rise considerably and they're not cash rich at the moment but I'm sure that if needed (and I'm not sure it will be) some sort of mechanism could be introduced so they don't get clobbered with a sudden hit. There's people currently living in Kensington and Chelsea paying £1500 a year council tax, when their property is worth £2,000,000! It would be so much fairer for the less well off in society and it would slam the breaks on the ever increasing rise in house prices, hopefully meaning that eventually, younger people will be able to get their feet on the first rung of the property ladder. A least Morris and Mabel will be able to keep their heating on throughout winter...oh hang on... Indeed Henry.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 2, 2024 13:34:11 GMT
There's a little known piece of legislation, introduced in the death throes of the last Labour administration, where if council tax bands are regraded it allows the government to reduce their central grant from the wealthier authorities (who would gain disproportionately) and funnel this to the poorer authorities who wouldn't see the same increase in council tax revenue.
It's a way of levelling the playing field that could be implemented.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 2, 2024 13:52:28 GMT
There's a little known piece of legislation, introduced in the death throes of the last Labour administration, where if council tax bands are regraded it allows the government to reduce their central grant from the wealthier authorities (who would gain disproportionately) and funnel this to the poorer authorities who wouldn't see the same increase in council tax revenue. It's a way of levelling the playing field that could be implemented. you have not grasped the ideals of this labour administration yet
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Post by gawa on Aug 2, 2024 14:22:27 GMT
Blakeley is but one in a long line of super-posh leftists who lecture the proletariat on the class system Spot on, there will be a few on here who will hang off every word that champagne socialist says... Bit like you with your champagne cunts. Wouldn't know working class if it smacked you across the face.
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Post by superjw on Aug 2, 2024 14:35:14 GMT
Indeed. I actually think it's a bloody good idea. The obvious problem would be where somebody like Morris and Mabel have lived in the same home for 50 years and seen it's value rise considerably and they're not cash rich at the moment but I'm sure that if needed (and I'm not sure it will be) some sort of mechanism could be introduced so they don't get clobbered with a sudden hit. There's people currently living in Kensington and Chelsea paying £1500 a year council tax, when their property is worth £2,000,000! It would be so much fairer for the less well off in society and it would slam the breaks on the ever increasing rise in house prices, hopefully meaning that eventually, younger people will be able to get their feet on the first rung of the property ladder. A least Morris and Mabel will be able to keep their heating on throughout winter...oh hang on... If morris and Mabel were living in a £1.5m house there would be no reason why they couldn’t keep their heating on… Seriously though council tax is a massively outdated system that only benefits the rich, it’s a very quick way of people in crazy expensive houses paying their fair share
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Post by superjw on Aug 2, 2024 14:36:21 GMT
With regards violence, i'm not arsed if the perpertrators are right wing, left wing, black, white etc. - its completely unacceptable no matter whatever the circumstances. Its often just thuggery at the end of the day and it shouldnt be tolerated. Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing”
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Post by chamberlain on Aug 2, 2024 15:00:24 GMT
With regards violence, i'm not arsed if the perpertrators are right wing, left wing, black, white etc. - its completely unacceptable no matter whatever the circumstances. Its often just thuggery at the end of the day and it shouldnt be tolerated. Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing” Can't be upsetting his voters can he . Hes totally inept.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 2, 2024 15:04:13 GMT
With regards violence, i'm not arsed if the perpertrators are right wing, left wing, black, white etc. - its completely unacceptable no matter whatever the circumstances. Its often just thuggery at the end of the day and it shouldnt be tolerated. Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing” And which particular polical group are systematically orchestrating street violence around the country? The Greens? The Lib Dems? The far left? No the far right with an explictly racist agenda. You are right politically motivated violence shouldn't be tolerated regardless of the political complexion of the perperpetrators. Fact is the current crop of perpetrators are on the far right.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 2, 2024 15:49:49 GMT
There's a little known piece of legislation, introduced in the death throes of the last Labour administration, where if council tax bands are regraded it allows the government to reduce their central grant from the wealthier authorities (who would gain disproportionately) and funnel this to the poorer authorities who wouldn't see the same increase in council tax revenue. It's a way of levelling the playing field that could be implemented. you have not grasped the ideals of this labour administration yet I don't believe for a second they'll implement that. I just wanted to put it out there that they have to option to do that. It won't happen because they're still serving the same paymasters that the Tories did, certainly not the voting public.
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Post by gawa on Aug 2, 2024 16:01:02 GMT
Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing” And which particular polical group are systematically orchestrating street violence around the country? The Greens? The Lib Dems? The far left? No the far right with an explictly racist agenda. You are right politically motivated violence shouldn't be tolerated regardless of the political complexion of the perperpetrators. Fact is the current crop of perpetrators are on the far right. Some will alledge the Leeds riot was "far left" because they hang off every word Richard Tice, Nigel Farage, Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib say. True working class lads who grew up in estates and went to public schools....
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Post by superjw on Aug 2, 2024 16:19:14 GMT
Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing” And which particular polical group are systematically orchestrating street violence around the country? The Greens? The Lib Dems? The far left? No the far right with an explictly racist agenda. You are right politically motivated violence shouldn't be tolerated regardless of the political complexion of the perperpetrators. Fact is the current crop of perpetrators are on the far right. I’m not saying they aren’t, but I’m almost sure it wasn’t them who were trashing up Leeds? Politics shouldn’t come into it at all, if you start kicking off in the streets then it should be zero tolerance
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Post by gawa on Aug 2, 2024 16:39:15 GMT
Popularity on the rise with historical tory voters. Down with every other group.
Starmer voters got duped. When will they admit their buyers regret.
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Post by knype on Aug 2, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
Spot on, there will be a few on here who will hang off every word that champagne socialist says... Bit like you with your champagne cunts. Wouldn't know working class if it smacked you across the face. Ooohhh Gawa, I don't like champagne so I'm alright there
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 2, 2024 18:05:45 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 18:14:43 GMT
So far looks like he’s going to be shit. But I’ll wait a while. It’s like writing a new signing off after 15 minutes of his debut
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 18:16:00 GMT
Exactly, thuggery is just that no matter what, but this government only call it out when it’s supposedly “right wing” And which particular polical group are systematically orchestrating street violence around the country? The Greens? The Lib Dems? The far left? No the far right with an explictly racist agenda. You are right politically motivated violence shouldn't be tolerated regardless of the political complexion of the perperpetrators. Fact is the current crop of perpetrators are on the far right. The people running around the country with knives and machetes are not far right are they? Or do you believe that they are? Are the pro Palestinian marches far right? You can't just say all the problems in the country are far right. It doesn't add up does it.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 18:18:13 GMT
So far looks like he’s going to be shit. But I’ll wait a while. It’s like writing a new signing off after 15 minutes of his debut He has had a start that noone could have possibly foreseen. I didn't want him in but I'm willing to give him a chance to see how he will deal with it all. I wish him the best of luck because it is not a job I would personally want.
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