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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 19:35:41 GMT
Correction, a Labour controlled Council since 2022 Still delivered under a Tory government though that must be a disappointment to you It's certainly wasn't a disappointment to the Council Tennants that the Labour Controlled Council delivered houses to.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2024 19:38:07 GMT
It's the deliberate exploitation of that division as a tactic that is depressing. And that's what the last govt was doing, largely because they had nothing else to offer, especially in the last few years. I doubt you'll see Labour MPs banging on about "swarms" of immigrants, "eco-zealots", judges as "enemies of the people" or labelling everythin "woke" that they disagree with. That's the difference. But if we can put that kind of divisive language behind us, collectively it'd be better for all of us. No, they'll bang on about racism and right wing thugs instead. Like I said, both as bad as each other. “Both as bad as each other”. Labour has been in power for 4 days yet you have reached that conclusion already. I suggest you are prejudging them. Be open minded.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2024 19:39:18 GMT
No, they'll bang on about racism and right wing thugs instead. Like I said, both as bad as each other. We'll see. I have a feeling that the language of division might be dialled down somewhat now the Tories have gone and the new govt actually has plans to implement. There’s no question. The language of division will continue from the right wing tory leadership candidates, and Farage every time he gets a moment of attention.
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Post by gawa on Jul 8, 2024 19:53:54 GMT
As good at answering questions as Sunak
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2024 21:11:20 GMT
Again, we don't seem to plan 12 to 14 years ahead(as far as it is possible)......HS2 was an exception! Typical arse about face approach from government regardless of colour BJR It's amazing how unsustainable the manufacture of wind turbines is. I'd like to see a concerted effort for us to develop wave and tidal energy systems, given the more consistent nature of the energy source. Clearly I know the square root of fuck all about either, other than we were world leaders in wind energy until we fucked it up like the jet engine and anything else we were clever enough to conceive.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2024 21:16:35 GMT
As good at answering questions as Sunak He seems to be very subtly telling them he couldn't give a fuck, it's not about them, it's about everyone in it together. That's my read on it. Far more coherent than he's come across before - sort of, like, yer know.
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Post by cdf on Jul 8, 2024 21:26:54 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 21:28:39 GMT
Hierarchy of racism anyone?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2024 21:32:57 GMT
Hierarchy of racism anyone? Thought they outshone World of Twist myself. Not often they're upstaged really.
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Post by knype on Jul 9, 2024 3:46:32 GMT
No, they'll bang on about racism and right wing thugs instead. Like I said, both as bad as each other. “Both as bad as each other”. Labour has been in power for 4 days yet you have reached that conclusion already. I suggest you are prejudging them. Be open minded. They've been doing it for all of their time in opposition so they aren't going to change now
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2024 6:19:21 GMT
“Both as bad as each other”. Labour has been in power for 4 days yet you have reached that conclusion already. I suggest you are prejudging them. Be open minded. They've been doing it for all of their time in opposition so they aren't going to change now If you say so!
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 9, 2024 10:01:33 GMT
Happy that he's cracking on with things - all governments start fresh before they get bogged down with events/scandals/infighting etc so important to make the most of the coming period where he has the party onside and a degree of good will.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 9, 2024 10:53:34 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disabled that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add.
Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire.....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 9, 2024 10:54:44 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disable that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add. Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire..... I wish he would...and I imagine I'm not alone.
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 9, 2024 11:12:03 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disabled that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add. Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire..... Totally agree, I can't stand the evil bast*rd. He should be serving a long stretch at Charlie's pleasure.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 9, 2024 11:59:17 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disabled that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add. Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire..... His WEF/UN role (now almost the same) is to push for Digital ID. Everything he says is moving towards this 'solution'.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 9, 2024 12:21:26 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disabled that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add. Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire..... Totally agree, I can't stand the evil bast*rd. He should be serving a long stretch at Charlie's pleasure. that would be too good for that war mongering sack of shit
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 9, 2024 14:49:16 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jul 9, 2024 14:57:32 GMT
Yeh but at least we got the tories out mate. Who gives a fuck what happens next. YES! GO TEAM RED!! WOOHOO
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2024 16:00:28 GMT
One of the biggest possible boosts to our economy would be to change the NHS to an effective preventative health service so that fewer people were too unwell to work and more people could then contribute to society and pay tax.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 9, 2024 16:05:02 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 9, 2024 16:31:42 GMT
One of the biggest possible boosts to our economy would be to change the NHS to an effective preventative health service so that fewer people were too unwell to work and more people could then contribute to society and pay tax. I can say this words as well, I don’t disagree. So how’s that happening under Streeting, what’s the plan behind the rhetoric?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 9, 2024 16:33:31 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers. Austerity was a political choice. And a really fucking stupid one as has been proven….
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 9, 2024 16:41:58 GMT
Here comes Tony the war criminal to sow the seeds that the NHS is broken and that it's the work shy pretending to be disabled that are the issue and not people like him squirreling all his wealth in offshore tax havens. A lot of which was earned by being a shill for despot regimes I might add. Why doesn't he just fuck off and retire..... He can’t for the next five years at least He’s the one with his fist up starmer’s arse moving his lips It’s the Harry Corbett and sooty show
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2024 16:53:01 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers. You are now praising a Singapore based business for succeeding despite EU laws! Successful businesses like Dyson are built on employing cheap labour in jurisdictions with few regulations on businesses so their employees have poor rights and there are few health and safety laws to protect employees. And of course where they can avoid paying lots of tax! Greedy business owners don’t like the EU because it protects employees and consumers more than anywhere else. Dyson is one of them.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2024 16:54:58 GMT
One of the biggest possible boosts to our economy would be to change the NHS to an effective preventative health service so that fewer people were too unwell to work and more people could then contribute to society and pay tax. I can say this words as well, I don’t disagree. So how’s that happening under Streeting, what’s the plan behind the rhetoric? Positive talks with the junior doctors today is a great start. Let’s see how it goes. Hopefully we end up with a healthier population and a much better functioning Health service. To get back to anything close to how the last labour government left it would be almost a miracle.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 9, 2024 17:00:28 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers. Well that could be true if you exclude the period Q3 1997 to Q2 2010 You must have been too traumatised by the Thatcher period which preceeded and numbers went over 3M to notice and it passed you by. www.statista.com/statistics/1118923/uk-jobless-claims/
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Post by henry on Jul 9, 2024 17:04:44 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 9, 2024 17:50:05 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers. Well that could be true if you exclude the period Q3 1997 to Q2 2010 You must have been too traumatised by the Thatcher period which preceeded and numbers went over 3M to notice and it passed you by. www.statista.com/statistics/1118923/uk-jobless-claims/The period you mention was the cause of the financial crisis being so devastating in 2008. Instead of prudent management, Blair and Brown let bank lending rip and personal debt get out of control, which resulted in the impact of banks crashing being so much worse for the UK. www.statista.com/statistics/1073541/total-value-of-household-debt-in-the-united-kingdom/They did not want to curb borrowing because they wanted to keep a false boom going so as to win the next GE. It is a regrettable fact that every Labour government since WW2 has left power with the economy in a worse state than they inherited. Hopefully Starmer can do better.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 9, 2024 18:14:48 GMT
He is dead right. We have left the EU and, by stopping freedom of movement, reduced unemployment to levels not seen since the 1970s and reduced redundancies to levels not seen for decades. Why is this relevant? Because there is little as soul destroying and wasteful as paying off people made redundant and paying people dole money not to work. There was a post on the Brexit thread today about Dyson making 1,000 people redundant. He is one of the few people who has built up a manufacturing business against the odds and difficulties with EU rules. During EEC/EU membership millions of manufacturing workers were made redundant, particularly during Thatcher's era, which is a terrible waste of human resource and cost to society which could be spending the tax payers money on public services. Today we have low unemployment but very high sickness levels and long waiting lists. Years of austerity by Tories, brought on by Labour economic mismanagement in the 00s, followed by the pandemic has created another soul destroying and wasteful situation. We need to invest heavily in health and get people back to work and fit and healthy. It is business common sense, invest for a return. The health industry workers should be on a productivity bonus on how fast they can reduce long term sickness and reduce waiting lists. Treat health like a business. Successful businesses like Dyson's are built on satisfying customers. You are now praising a Singapore based business for succeeding despite EU laws! Successful businesses like Dyson are built on employing cheap labour in jurisdictions with few regulations on businesses so their employees have poor rights and there are few health and safety laws to protect employees. And of course where they can avoid paying lots of tax! Greedy business owners don’t like the EU because it protects employees and consumers more than anywhere else. Dyson is one of them. Didn't we export most of our industry when we were in the EU. It isn't a panacea
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