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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2024 17:40:02 GMT
Well done, Rachel, on ending the ban on onshore windfarms It was only ever Tory shire nimbyism and look where that got them. Need to upgrade the grid first*. www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/government-national-grid-wind-turbines-b2387383.htmlGreat Britain risks wasting a major achievement if it builds massive wind farms and nuclear sites without ensuring there are enough cables to bring the new electricity to homes and businesses, an official report has warned. It takes around 12 to 14 years to get new big transmission lines up and running, around twice the time it takes to put up a large wind farm, the report by Nick Winser said. Still, if the blades are going around who cares? * Estimates vary from £36bn to £60bn. Again, we don't seem to plan 12 to 14 years ahead(as far as it is possible)......HS2 was an exception!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2024 17:41:35 GMT
I suspect a lot of the 1.5m will be changed to planning rules to convert existing commercial spaces. That'll probably be acceptable to the incoming occupants and to be fair it's far more sustainable.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 8, 2024 17:43:27 GMT
Need to upgrade the grid first*. www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/government-national-grid-wind-turbines-b2387383.htmlGreat Britain risks wasting a major achievement if it builds massive wind farms and nuclear sites without ensuring there are enough cables to bring the new electricity to homes and businesses, an official report has warned. It takes around 12 to 14 years to get new big transmission lines up and running, around twice the time it takes to put up a large wind farm, the report by Nick Winser said. Still, if the blades are going around who cares? * Estimates vary from £36bn to £60bn. Again, we don't seem to plan 12 to 14 years ahead(as far as it is possible)......HS2 was an exception! Typical arse about face approach from government regardless of colour BJR
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2024 17:43:31 GMT
Well done, Rachel, on ending the ban on onshore windfarms It was only ever Tory shire nimbyism and look where that got them. The idea that she is running this is nonsense. And destroying the British landscape and wildlife for something that isn't happening, for the benefit of green barons, is no cause for celebration.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 8, 2024 17:46:19 GMT
It would be nice if this rush to build houses would include sufficient space for children to run around But I shan’t hold my breath if there lucky enough to have a garden You’d be able to cover it with a table cloth
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 8, 2024 17:48:02 GMT
Caught a few snippets on TV over the last couple of days. Is it me or do the new government seem to have a plan. If so it’s a refreshing change. Early days but they’re like a breathe of fresh air if it’s not all hot air. They don't have plans, they implement globalist agendas. I think the concerns me the most is the amount of building work. There won’t be any green spaces left. I liked what the lady was saying about prisons though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 17:48:45 GMT
I suspect a lot of the 1.5m will be changed to planning rules to convert existing commercial spaces. That'll probably be acceptable to the incoming occupants and to be fair it's far more sustainable. It needs to run alongside a coherent plan to completely change our high streets. Walk through most European cities and look up and there’s lived in properties everywhere, which in turn breathe life into what retail space is still there. For me that would be low hanging fruit for the government……
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 17:55:02 GMT
The Major of Tower Hamlets is giving it a go at least…..
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 8, 2024 18:03:20 GMT
Still, if the blades are going around who cares? * Estimates vary from £36bn to £60bn. The good news is that the wind farm owners only get paid for electricity that goes into the grid. So I'm pretty sure investors won't be happy if it's just blades spinning. And the almighty investors usually get what they want.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 8, 2024 18:11:34 GMT
Still, if the blades are going around who cares? * Estimates vary from £36bn to £60bn. The good news is that the wind farm owners only get paid for electricity that goes into the grid. So I'm pretty sure investors won't be happy if it's just blades spinning. And the almighty investors usually get what they want. Thanks for making my point. If the investors are going to have to wait 13+ years before they start to receive a payback they'll invest in bigger/quicker payback projects. The money for this won't come out of Centrica, EDF etc pockets, it'll come from the likes of BNP Paribas etc
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 8, 2024 18:16:28 GMT
The good news is that the wind farm owners only get paid for electricity that goes into the grid. So I'm pretty sure investors won't be happy if it's just blades spinning. And the almighty investors usually get what they want. Thanks for making my point. If the investors are going to have to wait 13+ years before they start to receive a payback they'll invest in bigger/quicker payback projects. The money for this won't come out of Centrica, EDF etc pockets, it'll come from the likes of BNP Paribas etc I think I'm missing the deeper point you're making! My point was meant to be I think the ban did more bad than good. Either onshore wind is cost effective and the ban was costing us. Or wind ain't cost effective and the ban was needless because they won't get built anyway.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 8, 2024 18:19:45 GMT
The Major of Tower Hamlets is giving it a go at least….. I don't know the ins and outs but that sounds like a Fortior type vehicle, which protects the investment and returns an income. They'll rent out at more than council rates but less than market. A compromise I guess for those on low incomes in London. That said HB and CTB will likely cover a large proportion of that.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 18:22:20 GMT
1.5m units in 5 years. That's delivering 821 units per day. You'll have to excuse my scepticism given the state of both labour and material supply chains in the construction industry. Particularly as they'll be competing with the government drive to retrofit £6bn of net zero measures per year to existing properties. Either way I'd personally steer clear of anything to do with both, it's wild west territory. Quality isn't great at the moment, it'll nosedive off the cliff edge in any attempt to achieve either. Latham & Egan were wasting their breath. I'd implore them to concentrate on brownfield and town centre development and would enthusiastically applaud them if they did. I think we can be sceptical of all Labour Policy Targets until such time we see results or not. Not having Targets which the Conservatives abandoned is ensuring failure. I think about 2.2M new houses have been built since 2010 a percentage increase below population increase I'm quite sure you know this area better than I but wasn't Egan's point to take out the adversarial element out of construction to provide better value. Have CIB adopted this principle, you suggest not. I don't know if the target is a wishful thinking and I take your point there will be a strain on manpower with the House retrofit program. I can but hope that the figure hasn't been plucked out of the air and some detail planning on what support structures are needed to make it possible
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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 18:28:51 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 8, 2024 18:29:31 GMT
Thanks for making my point. If the investors are going to have to wait 13+ years before they start to receive a payback they'll invest in bigger/quicker payback projects. The money for this won't come out of Centrica, EDF etc pockets, it'll come from the likes of BNP Paribas etc I think I'm missing the deeper point you're making! My point was meant to be I think the ban did more bad than good. Either onshore wind is cost effective and the ban was costing us. Or wind ain't cost effective and the ban was needless because they won't get built anyway. I'm not sure myself mate! The report commissioned by the last Govt said that it can take up to 15 years for new wind/nuclear installations to be connected to the grid. That's because the grid has not had major investment for the last 30+ years. Therefore, irrespective of whether onshore/offshore or nuclear is cost effective until there is capacity to take it from the point of generation to the consumer we'll be adding to the capacity problem by building more of anything. Who pays for all the investment in the grid is the point I was making!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 8, 2024 18:39:24 GMT
I think I'm missing the deeper point you're making! My point was meant to be I think the ban did more bad than good. Either onshore wind is cost effective and the ban was costing us. Or wind ain't cost effective and the ban was needless because they won't get built anyway. I'm not sure myself mate! The report commissioned by the last Govt said that it can take up to 15 years for new wind/nuclear installations to be connected to the grid. That's because the grid has not had major investment for the last 30+ years. Therefore, irrespective of whether onshore/offshore or nuclear is cost effective until there is capacity to take it from the point of generation to the consumer we'll be adding to the capacity problem by building more of anything. Who pays for all the investment in the grid is the point I was making! Oh yeah that's a big deal. Gotta be someone smart at National Grid who's been thinking about it. In the US I spoke to a lad who works on power networks and he said the main issue there is admin and legal stuff. If you build a new nuke plant on an old site it's easy, you just update a few parts. Any serious new sites are a right pain in the arse though. Which is probably good for protecting remote + beautiful areas TBF.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 8, 2024 18:42:19 GMT
It would be nice if this rush to build houses would include sufficient space for children to run around But I shan’t hold my breath if there lucky enough to have a garden You’d be able to cover it with a table cloth Loads of the new estates I've seen down south do have some nice little community play areas but you definitely don't get much in the way of garden space. You can hear and smell your neighbours' farts from all sides they're that close.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 8, 2024 18:45:33 GMT
Delivered of course under a Tory government
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 8, 2024 18:51:12 GMT
I suspect a lot of the 1.5m will be changed to planning rules to convert existing commercial spaces. That'll probably be acceptable to the incoming occupants and to be fair it's far more sustainable. It needs to run alongside a coherent plan to completely change our high streets. Walk through most European cities and look up and there’s lived in properties everywhere, which in turn breathe life into what retail space is still there. For me that would be low hanging fruit for the government…… Just went to Paris, Helsinki and Orleans. Fucking fantastic having living options over and around shops and bars. Orleans is pretty small (120k people?) but feels so alive in the evening.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2024 19:11:34 GMT
Caught a few snippets on TV over the last couple of days. Is it me or do the new government seem to have a plan. If so it’s a refreshing change. Early days but they’re like a breathe of fresh air if it’s not all hot air. It would be nice if they actually surprised us with a coherent plan. We might all actually get along a bit better instead of the division that’s really opened up in recent years Completely agree, and without saying so to point score but purely pointing out the facts, that has, sadly, been the whole point of the outgoing government's approach over the last few years or more. With help from its client media. The exploitation of division. It would be nice to put that firmly into the background for some time and just accept that the new govt is trying to fix things that are very broken, even if they're never going to please all the people all the time.
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Post by knype on Jul 8, 2024 19:17:55 GMT
It would be nice if they actually surprised us with a coherent plan. We might all actually get along a bit better instead of the division that’s really opened up in recent years Completely agree, and without saying so to point score but purely pointing out the facts, that has, sadly, been the whole point of the outgoing government's approach over the last few years or more. With help from its client media. The exploitation of division. It would be nice to put that firmly into the background for some time and just accept that the new govt is trying to fix things that are very broken, even if they're never going to please all the people all the time. The division has always and will always be there. Hence why 80% of people either didn't vote Starmer or even vote at all. Labour have MP's as equally divisive as any other party
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 8, 2024 19:18:42 GMT
It would be nice if they actually surprised us with a coherent plan. We might all actually get along a bit better instead of the division that’s really opened up in recent years Completely agree, and without saying so to point score but purely pointing out the facts, that has, sadly, been the whole point of the outgoing government's approach over the last few years or more. With help from its client media. The exploitation of division. It would be nice to put that firmly into the background for some time and just accept that the new govt is trying to fix things that are very broken, even if they're never going to please all the people all the time. I wouldn’t place it entirely at the Tory governments door but I agree with the rest for now. I gave Nathan Jones a chance for Gods sake (pun intended) so happy to give these lot at least the chance to perk up a country languishing in the deepest of doldrums. It’s what we all want isn’t it no matter which side of the fence people have been on for the last probably 5 or 6 years. It’d be better all round if the fence was at least a picket fence rather than a burglar deterrent 7 footer (6 ft if on a road side)
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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 19:19:20 GMT
Delivered of course under a Tory government Correction, a Labour controlled Council since 2022
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2024 19:22:18 GMT
My wife’s new secretary of state addressed the department today. She said he ended by saying he couldn’t care less what type of lanyard the staff are wearing!
Apparently the change is enormous, and not just attitudes to lanyards. Finally some competency and organisation.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 8, 2024 19:24:00 GMT
My wife’s new secretary of state addressed the department today. She said he ended by saying he couldn’t care less what type of lanyard the staff are wearing! Apparently the change is enormous, and not just attitudes to lanyards. Finally some competency and organisation. Cool story bro😎
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2024 19:27:52 GMT
My wife’s new secretary of state addressed the department today. She said he ended by saying he couldn’t care less what type of lanyard the staff are wearing! Apparently the change is enormous, and not just attitudes to lanyards. Finally some competency and organisation. Cool story bro😎 I know. Imagine a government that actually focuses on things other than the pattern on a civil servant’s lanyard! The mind boggles how politicians can possibly juggle as much as that at once.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2024 19:27:59 GMT
Completely agree, and without saying so to point score but purely pointing out the facts, that has, sadly, been the whole point of the outgoing government's approach over the last few years or more. With help from its client media. The exploitation of division. It would be nice to put that firmly into the background for some time and just accept that the new govt is trying to fix things that are very broken, even if they're never going to please all the people all the time. The division has always and will always be there. Hence why 80% of people either didn't vote Starmer or even vote at all. Labour have MP's as equally divisive as any other party It's the deliberate exploitation of that division as a tactic that is depressing. And that's what the last govt was doing, largely because they had nothing else to offer, especially in the last few years. I doubt you'll see Labour MPs banging on about "swarms" of immigrants, "eco-zealots", judges as "enemies of the people" or labelling everythin "woke" that they disagree with. That's the difference. But if we can put that kind of divisive language behind us, collectively it'd be better for all of us.
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Post by knype on Jul 8, 2024 19:29:04 GMT
The division has always and will always be there. Hence why 80% of people either didn't vote Starmer or even vote at all. Labour have MP's as equally divisive as any other party It's the deliberate exploitation of that division as a tactic that is depressing. And that's what the last govt was doing, largely because they had nothing else to offer, especially in the last few years. I doubt you'll see Labour MPs banging on about "swarms" of immigrants, "eco-zealots", judges as "enemies of the people" or labelling everythin "woke" that they disagree with. That's the difference. But if we can put that kind of divisive language behind us, collectively it'd be better for all of us. No, they'll bang on about racism and right wing thugs instead. Like I said, both as bad as each other.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 8, 2024 19:29:05 GMT
Delivered of course under a Tory government Correction, a Labour controlled Council since 2022 Still delivered under a Tory government though that must be a disappointment to you
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2024 19:32:25 GMT
It's the deliberate exploitation of that division as a tactic that is depressing. And that's what the last govt was doing, largely because they had nothing else to offer, especially in the last few years. I doubt you'll see Labour MPs banging on about "swarms" of immigrants, "eco-zealots", judges as "enemies of the people" or labelling everythin "woke" that they disagree with. That's the difference. But if we can put that kind of divisive language behind us, collectively it'd be better for all of us. No, they'll bang on about racism and right wing thugs instead. Like I said, both as bad as each other. We'll see. I have a feeling that the language of division might be dialled down somewhat now the Tories have gone and the new govt actually has plans to implement.
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