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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 30, 2024 6:53:53 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 7:55:27 GMT
Isn't it weird that someone is blocked from standing due to liking a tweet when they weren't a labour party member. But Luke the Nuke Israels inside man has over 1000 tweets which he needs to delete and he's fine to run. For 6 months I've been posting about the purge of the left in labour by starmer. What do Labours voters think of the last couple of days? essexstokey @wannabe oggyNot a trick question or passive aggression. Genuinely interested to get your views.
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 8:01:27 GMT
Another dangerous fucker parachuted in yesterday
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Post by roylandstoke on May 30, 2024 9:19:26 GMT
I don’t know a lot about this young woman, however I think she is making a mistake by offering mitigating circumstances for her liking of that particular tweet, and questioning the rightness of any detail included therein. Everything that tweet claimed was correct. If acknowledging the truth of the Labour party’s fear of a small but powerful, highly organised Zionist, pro genocide, apartheid supporting Israeli lobby is antisemitic, then I must be an anti Semite. To deselect this candidate whilst giving Akehurst a seat is just another reason not to vote Labour.
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Post by adri2008 on May 30, 2024 9:34:40 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 30, 2024 9:46:48 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I would be really careful in conflating British Jews with the actions of Israel. Luke Akehurst for example is not Jewish, he's a proud Zionist and a paid member of "We Believe in Israel" I agree with you that the state of Israel has a really unhealthy interference in our democracy, but I know many British Jews who want nothing to do with Israel and it holds no significance to them.....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 30, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
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Post by phileetin on May 30, 2024 10:27:39 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.
and i think that that is the reason why people should'nt vote labour because conversely the muslim community is correspondingly huge and will / does have huge sway over labour policy making .
on a completely different note ... i mentioned at work the other day that i never notice pakistani people or black african types begging ? albanian types are noticed flogging the big issue but its mainly whites sitting with the begging bowls outside shops . Why ?
could it be they are better informed re benefits , better family support or are they higher up the drug supply chain ie suppliers rather than users so don't need to beg ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 30, 2024 10:39:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 10:44:10 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.
and i think that that is the reason why people should'nt vote labour because conversely the muslim community is correspondingly huge and will / does have huge sway over labour policy making .
on a completely different note ... i mentioned at work the other day that i never notice pakistani people or black african types begging ? albanian types are noticed flogging the big issue but its mainly whites sitting with the begging bowls outside shops . Why ?
could it be they are better informed re benefits , better family support or are they higher up the drug supply chain ie suppliers rather than users so don't need to beg ?
Or there are not that many of them and most have jobs and families to provide support?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 30, 2024 10:44:12 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. and i think that that is the reason why people should'nt vote labour because conversely the muslim community is correspondingly huge and will / does have huge sway over labour policy making . on a completely different note ... i mentioned at work the other day that i never notice pakistani people or black african types begging ? albanian types are noticed flogging the big issue but its mainly whites sitting with the begging bowls outside shops . Why ? could it be they are better informed re benefits , better family support or are they higher up the drug supply chain ie suppliers rather than users so don't need to beg ?
WTAF???
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 10:45:15 GMT
What am I supposed to be looking at?
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 11:05:03 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 30, 2024 11:26:46 GMT
Isn't it weird that someone is blocked from standing due to liking a tweet when they weren't a labour party member. But Luke the Nuke Israels inside man has over 1000 tweets which he needs to delete and he's fine to run. For 6 months I've been posting about the purge of the left in labour by starmer. What do Labours voters think of the last couple of days? essexstokey @wannabe oggyNot a trick question or passive aggression. Genuinely interested to get your views. Abbott hasn’t been prevented from standing. I have never voted labour at a general election.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 30, 2024 11:30:37 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit?
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 11:50:44 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.
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Post by adri2008 on May 30, 2024 11:51:01 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? I don't mean day to day running of the country - more that criticism of Israel (and broadly anything Jewish related) seems to be an absolute taboo and a crackdown ensues immediately. Why is the default government position supportive regardless of what's occurred? - it's literally a free pass to do whatever.
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 11:55:00 GMT
Isn't it weird that someone is blocked from standing due to liking a tweet when they weren't a labour party member. But Luke the Nuke Israels inside man has over 1000 tweets which he needs to delete and he's fine to run. For 6 months I've been posting about the purge of the left in labour by starmer. What do Labours voters think of the last couple of days? essexstokey @wannabe oggyNot a trick question or passive aggression. Genuinely interested to get your views. Abbott hasn’t been prevented from standing. I have never voted labour at a general election. Only because of your constituency not having much labour support. You've been supportive of Labour on here. So no real thoughts aside from thinking Diane isn't going to be blocked from standing. No thoughts about how the investigation into her ended in December but just last Friday when quizzed starmer said it was ongoing? Or when it was discovered in March a tory donor thinks she should be shot and when quizzed starmer said an investigation (which we know finished in december) was still ongoing? What about the other candidates purged? What about Luke the Nuke being parachuted into a safe seat? This party has no integrity or morals. We've all been happy to ask difficult questions of tory supporters for the last 5 years. So now it's time for the Labour supporters and sympathisers to explain what they like about the party right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 11:57:00 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? I think that’s a very fair point. This is a list of some lobbyist groups in the UK: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pressure_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom#BusinessApparently, politicians can meet with lobbyists up to 100x in a week.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2024 12:02:22 GMT
Hard to argue with any of that. Like Oborne, I too feel embarassed that I bought into that particular narrative and now feel ashamed that I actually voted for Starmer to become leader. At the time, I truly believed that we would be seeing a return to a centrist Blairite Labour Party but in reality, we've ended up with something rather hideous and actually quite sinister.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 30, 2024 12:03:03 GMT
I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files. Sorry? I don’t follow why our tory government of the last 14 years has been dictated by jews. You sound a bit like the nutters who complain about a global jewish conspiracy! Labour policy certainly isn’t dictated only by jews. What have you got against jews influencing politics? Are there jews pushing for VAT on school fees. You seem to have an agenda
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Post by oggyoggy on May 30, 2024 12:07:43 GMT
I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? I think that’s a very fair point. This is a list of some lobbyist groups in the UK: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pressure_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom#BusinessApparently, politicians can meet with lobbyists up to 100x in a week. They must all be puppets with jews pulling the strings!
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 30, 2024 12:10:26 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? For a supposedly niche issue the amount of lobby groups/charities/organisations is phenomenal: Board of Deputies of British Jews Jewish Leadership Council The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group Friends of Israel (political parties) The Israel Britain Alliance BICOM Society Britain Israel Trade Union Dialogue Friends of Israel (geographical) Israel Advocacy Movement Israel Coalition UK Lawyers for Israel We Believe in Israel StandWithUs Faith UK Christian Assembly for Israel Habonim Dror Jewish National Fund UJIA There are others......
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Post by gawa on May 30, 2024 12:19:17 GMT
Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files. Sorry? I don’t follow why our tory government of the last 14 years has been dictated by jews. You sound a bit like the nutters who complain about a global jewish conspiracy! Labour policy certainly isn’t dictated only by jews. What have you got against jews influencing politics? Are there jews pushing for VAT on school fees. You seem to have an agenda An agenda? Elaborate on this agenda please Oggy. Adri2008 made a post about Israels influence on UK politics - which you replied to saying they only have an influence over the Israel Palestine conflict. I responded asking if you've watched The Labour Files which is an excellent documentary produced by Al Jazeera. The documentary demonstrates the influence which individuals connected to Israel had over our last two elections. You've responded to that with a load of libel and typical antisemitic weaponization: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2024 12:22:13 GMT
I don’t know a lot about this young woman, however I think she is making a mistake by offering mitigating circumstances for her liking of that particular tweet, and questioning the rightness of any detail included therein. Everything that tweet claimed was correct. If acknowledging the truth of the Labour party’s fear of a small but powerful, highly organised Zionist, pro genocide, apartheid supporting Israeli lobby is antisemitic, then I must be an anti Semite. To deselect this candidate whilst giving Akehurst a seat is just another reason not to vote Labour. Yes I agree. She didn't need to defend liking the tweet, there was nothing it in that was wrong. Watching it last night at the time and my jaw was on the floor when Derbyshire (who I really rate) asked her if she could see what was wrong with the tweet? It's like some sort of spell is placed on ordinarily intelligent and rational people and they're completely unaware that they've succumbed to it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 30, 2024 12:25:20 GMT
Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files. Sorry? I don’t follow why our tory government of the last 14 years has been dictated by jews. You sound a bit like the nutters who complain about a global jewish conspiracy!
Labour policy certainly isn’t dictated only by jews. What have you got against jews influencing politics? Are there jews pushing for VAT on school fees.
You seem to have an agenda I think you're out of order here as it's you that's conflating Israel and Jewry here not gawa. It's the classic response and sums up nicely the weaponisation of anti-Semitism over the last 5/6 years. If in doubt, just shout "anti-Semite!"
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Post by salopstick on May 30, 2024 12:31:54 GMT
and people disagreed with me about labours hard left the extreme flanks of both parties have no place
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Post by adri2008 on May 30, 2024 12:36:59 GMT
I don't really understand what's going on with Starmer - I expected a bit of a non-entity but a professionally run government. What's with the sudden authoritarian streak?
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Post by salopstick on May 30, 2024 12:37:18 GMT
people like Luke Akehurst are the reason why primaries for the big parties should happen where registered members of the party in that constituency vote on their preferred candidate also these people must have a historical or 5 year council tax connection with the constituency
you can just see him in the cabinet within a couple of years
Why You Should Nominate Me • I’m a strong supporter of Keir Starmer and will work on the NEC to make his leadership a success and reunite and rebuild the party. • I bring over 30 years of frontline campaigning experience as a candidate, councillor, organiser and activist to the NEC’s main task, planning how to beat the Tories. I organised campaigns in Hackney that took Labour from 29 seats to 50. • I am a passionate fighter for the NHS having overcome a life-threatening neurological illness caused by a tumour, five months in hospital, and subsequent disability. • I have extensive experience of decision making in the party at every level: NEC, Regional Board, CLP officer, Council Chief Whip. In every role I have been praised from across the party for fairness and defending democracy in taking decisions, openness and accountability in reporting back to members. • I was a key player as Chief Whip in the team that turned Hackney from a chaotic failing hung council to a flagship Labour council providing high quality public services for some of Britain’s poorest and most diverse communities. • I have vocally stood up to antisemitism and bullying over the last five years. We need people on the NEC who will have zero tolerance of behaviour that has shamed and damaged our party.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2024 12:42:15 GMT
Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.
and i think that that is the reason why people should'nt vote labour because conversely the muslim community is correspondingly huge and will / does have huge sway over labour policy making .
on a completely different note ... i mentioned at work the other day that i never notice pakistani people or black african types begging ? albanian types are noticed flogging the big issue but its mainly whites sitting with the begging bowls outside shops . Why ?
could it be they are better informed re benefits , better family support or are they higher up the drug supply chain ie suppliers rather than users so don't need to beg ?
Can I just get this right ... You are suggesting the reason that we very rarely see black African or Pakistani beggars on the streets, is because they are either better than white people at obtaining State benefits or because black African and Pakistani people don't actually need to beg at all because they are drug dealers? If that IS what you're suggesting, then blimey Phil ...
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