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Post by gawa on May 24, 2024 9:36:09 GMT
Son of a holocaust survivor and was instrumental in the fight against apartheid in South Africa before resigning from his party due to corruption. For most people, the biggest issues in this election are what is going on here in our own country. Not what is going on in Palestine. Cost of living crisis, NHS crisis, schools crisis, prisons crisis etc. What is happening in Palestine and Ukraine is awful and our position on it is important. But it is not the be all and end all. Whatever our position, the atrocities will continue. We cannot stop them. Plus I don’t see the problem with an immediate ceasefire agreed by both sides and the immediate release of hostages. 100% agree which is why it's good to have independants standing who oppose further austerity and failing private services, and who don't pretend inequality is a myth. Starmer wants more tory fiscal policy and neoliberalism which fuels inequality. We need MPs who fight for workers, not MPs who fight for corporations and big business.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 24, 2024 11:55:13 GMT
For most people, the biggest issues in this election are what is going on here in our own country. Not what is going on in Palestine. Cost of living crisis, NHS crisis, schools crisis, prisons crisis etc. What is happening in Palestine and Ukraine is awful and our position on it is important. But it is not the be all and end all. Whatever our position, the atrocities will continue. We cannot stop them. Plus I don’t see the problem with an immediate ceasefire agreed by both sides and the immediate release of hostages. 100% agree which is why it's good to have independants standing who oppose further austerity and failing private services, and who don't pretend inequality is a myth. Starmer wants more tory fiscal policy and neoliberalism which fuels inequality. We need MPs who fight for workers, not MPs who fight for corporations and big business. I don’t think abolishing non-dom status, nationalisation of railways, a nationalised green energy company or VAT on private school fees supports what you say whatsoever. Look at what Starmer has said, and wait for his manifesto. The economy is a mess and he is absolutely right we cannot just do everything at once. He has to prioritise and he is right to prioritise, for example, the NHS over abolishing university tuition fees.
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Post by gawa on May 24, 2024 12:33:29 GMT
100% agree which is why it's good to have independants standing who oppose further austerity and failing private services, and who don't pretend inequality is a myth. Starmer wants more tory fiscal policy and neoliberalism which fuels inequality. We need MPs who fight for workers, not MPs who fight for corporations and big business. I don’t think abolishing non-dom status, nationalisation of railways, a nationalised green energy company or VAT on private school fees supports what you say whatsoever. Look at what Starmer has said, and wait for his manifesto. The economy is a mess and he is absolutely right we cannot just do everything at once. He has to prioritise and he is right to prioritise, for example, the NHS over abolishing university tuition fees. I know you're a fan of it Oggy. Many people aren't. There is much more that which can be done and due to the situation we find ourselves in much more needs to be done. I believe inequality is going to increase further under Starmer. That's a step in the wrong direction. This country needs radical reform. Not sticking plasters from a man so wooden the birds nest in him.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 24, 2024 16:29:14 GMT
I don’t think abolishing non-dom status, nationalisation of railways, a nationalised green energy company or VAT on private school fees supports what you say whatsoever. Look at what Starmer has said, and wait for his manifesto. The economy is a mess and he is absolutely right we cannot just do everything at once. He has to prioritise and he is right to prioritise, for example, the NHS over abolishing university tuition fees. I know you're a fan of it Oggy. Many people aren't. There is much more that which can be done and due to the situation we find ourselves in much more needs to be done. I believe inequality is going to increase further under Starmer. That's a step in the wrong direction. This country needs radical reform. Not sticking plasters from a man so wooden the birds nest in him. I am certain inequality will increase. We are a capitalist society. Unless that changes, inequality will worsen. But I think it will increase at a slower pace than over the last 14 years. People said Blair was a tory in disguise. All the same things are said about Starmer. He did loads of good for our society. Have faith. I wouldn’t say I am a Starmer fan exactly. I am more optimistic about our future though with him in charge. I also think he may go back more to what he was and stood for a year or two ago once he wins. But to win, he needs to park his tanks on tory land.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 25, 2024 11:51:00 GMT
Are Labour really going with the "At this election, stability is change" slogan in the run up to July 4th?
FFS.......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 25, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
Are Labour really going with the "At this election, stability is change" slogan in the run up to July 4th? FFS....... More wishy washy no man’s land stuff from the Labour Party. Is he essentially saying “I’m not really going to change much”?
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 12:01:15 GMT
Are Labour really going with the "At this election, stability is change" slogan in the run up to July 4th? FFS....... More wishy washy no man’s land stuff from the Labour Party. Is he essentially saying “I’m not really going to change much”? Maybe there isn't much budget to change much? It'll take time to rebuild the funds the Tories gave away to their mates. At any rate it's surely better than Rishi 'everything in the garden is rosy' Sunak, he doesn't even believe it himself 🤦 To be clear, I'm no huge fan of Starmer but after the shit show of the last 14 years, if he gets in he deserves some time to at least try and rectify some of the fuck ups.
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Post by gawa on May 25, 2024 12:18:20 GMT
Inaccurate as I suspected but I'll wait final judgement until it becomes enacted in Law A joint statement from the Labour Party and Tulo (Trade Union and Labour Party Liaison Organisation) following Tuesday’s meeting said: “Labour and the affiliated unions had a constructive discussion today.
“Together we have reiterated Labour’s full commitment to the New Deal for Working People, as agreed in July.
“We will continue to work together at pace on how a Labour government would implement it in legislation.”I'm sure there are some within Labour, Mendleson for one and probably some within PLP who oppose New Deal which is possibly the source of the inaccurate rumours to create disord www.thenational.scot/politics/24320335.labours-new-deal-will-implemented-as-agreed-keir-starmer-says/ Inaccurate as I suspected. He's done what he does best. Another 3 point turn.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 25, 2024 13:08:12 GMT
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 26, 2024 8:44:07 GMT
Giz a clue huddy. What's the story here.
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Post by Dave the Rave on May 26, 2024 9:59:15 GMT
I know you're a fan of it Oggy. Many people aren't. There is much more that which can be done and due to the situation we find ourselves in much more needs to be done. I believe inequality is going to increase further under Starmer. That's a step in the wrong direction. This country needs radical reform. Not sticking plasters from a man so wooden the birds nest in him. I am certain inequality will increase. We are a capitalist society. Unless that changes, inequality will worsen. But I think it will increase at a slower pace than over the last 14 years. People said Blair was a tory in disguise. All the same things are said about Starmer. He did loads of good for our society. Have faith. I wouldn’t say I am a Starmer fan exactly. I am more optimistic about our future though with him in charge. I also think he may go back more to what he was and stood for a year or two ago once he wins. But to win, he needs to park his tanks on tory land. People like to imagine there's no complexity to politics and government and that you can just ride in on your white horse, change all the power structures, convince the wealthy to share more and everyone lives happily ever after. It's a fairytale. It will take decades and decades to prise power and influence from the aristocracy and the ultra wealthy. Starmer will at least do what he can within the confines of real life to try and make life better for ordinary, working people.
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 10:49:34 GMT
I am certain inequality will increase. We are a capitalist society. Unless that changes, inequality will worsen. But I think it will increase at a slower pace than over the last 14 years. People said Blair was a tory in disguise. All the same things are said about Starmer. He did loads of good for our society. Have faith. I wouldn’t say I am a Starmer fan exactly. I am more optimistic about our future though with him in charge. I also think he may go back more to what he was and stood for a year or two ago once he wins. But to win, he needs to park his tanks on tory land. People like to imagine there's no complexity to politics and government and that you can just ride in on your white horse, change all the power structures, convince the wealthy to share more and everyone lives happily ever after. It's a fairytale. It will take decades and decades to prise power and influence from the aristocracy and the ultra wealthy. Starmer will at least do what he can within the confines of real life to try and make life better for ordinary, working people. The only naive person here Dave is yourself. "Convince the wealthy" - The ruling party doesn't ask for permission to raise taxes you weapon. There's no convincing required. They are voted in to represent the many not the few. "It will take decades and decades" - How many Dave? We've had a century of the same 2 parties. Just another 40 years of Duopoly for change? Or how many? Or maybe if you keep voting for neoliberalism you keep getting neoliberalism? I know people like me don't understand the complexity. So maybe you can explain the complexity around neoliberalism and what it means to vote for parties which believe in this philosophy, and how we just need decades of it and a magic wand will fix everything. Or maybe what we vote for is what we will get? "Starmer will at least do what he can within the confines of real life to try and make life better for ordinary, working people." - based on what Dave? Scrapping uni fees? Gone. Green 28 billion investment? Gone. Abolishing the house of lords? Gone. Bringing energy and water back under public control? Gone. Giving workers a better deal? Gone. Scrapping private school charitable status? Gone. Ending two child benefit limit? Gone. Increasing income tax for top 5%? Gone. Defend freedom of movement? Gone. Abolishing universal credit? Gone. Stop NHS outsourcing? Gone. Increase digital tax for big tech? Gone. Introduce rent controls? Gone. Stop sale of arms to Saudia Arabia? Gone. Introduce a wealth tax? Gone. Reinstate banker bonuses caps? Gone. So the person leading the party which said it would do all of the above and has u turned on every single one we should trust because he just needs to convince the 1% to do it all and if we keep doing the same thing we've done for decades that in a few decades time it will finally work? You spent 15 years voting tory every election before the last. The party which allowed inequality to thrive and never prioritised the young or the poor. The fact you're now a keen Starmer supporter shows the move to the right which has happened to labour. This mess we now have is what you vote for. So I won't take any lectures from a tory who loves Starmer. If anything that is testament to just how far right this labour party has went.
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Post by wannabee on May 26, 2024 10:53:21 GMT
Inaccurate as I suspected but I'll wait final judgement until it becomes enacted in Law A joint statement from the Labour Party and Tulo (Trade Union and Labour Party Liaison Organisation) following Tuesday’s meeting said: “Labour and the affiliated unions had a constructive discussion today.
“Together we have reiterated Labour’s full commitment to the New Deal for Working People, as agreed in July.
“We will continue to work together at pace on how a Labour government would implement it in legislation.”I'm sure there are some within Labour, Mendleson for one and probably some within PLP who oppose New Deal which is possibly the source of the inaccurate rumours to create disord www.thenational.scot/politics/24320335.labours-new-deal-will-implemented-as-agreed-keir-starmer-says/ Inaccurate as I suspected. He's done what he does best. Another 3 point turn. What is inaccurate? And what has Starmer U-turned on re Workers Rights?
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 11:22:20 GMT
Inaccurate as I suspected. He's done what he does best. Another 3 point turn. What is inaccurate? And what has Starmer U-turned on re Workers Rights? Labours commitment to the New Deal for workers. Read the tweets from Unites General Secretary. Fire and Rehire to start with.
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Post by wannabee on May 26, 2024 11:29:49 GMT
What is inaccurate? And what has Starmer U-turned on re Workers Rights? Labours commitment to the New Deal for workers. Read the tweets from Unites General Secretary. Fire and Rehire to start with. Explain what has changed .... nothing has
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 11:33:13 GMT
Labours commitment to the New Deal for workers. Read the tweets from Unites General Secretary. Fire and Rehire to start with. Explain what has changed .... nothing has Are you insinuating that the general secretary for Unite is lying again wannabe?
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Post by wannabee on May 26, 2024 11:39:47 GMT
Explain what has changed .... nothing has Are you insinuating that the general secretary for Unite is lying again wannabe? I am neither doing that now or previously I am saying Susan shoots from the Lip Are you saying Unison and GMB are wrong Gawa? If something has changed it should be fairly straightforward to explain what
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 11:46:27 GMT
Are you insinuating that the general secretary for Unite is lying again wannabe? I am neither doing that now or previously I am saying Susan shoots from the Lip Are you saying Unison and GMB are wrong Gawa? If something has changed it should be fairly straightforward to explain what I've already told you many times. The ban on fire and rehire.
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Post by wannabee on May 26, 2024 15:22:02 GMT
I am neither doing that now or previously I am saying Susan shoots from the Lip Are you saying Unison and GMB are wrong Gawa? If something has changed it should be fairly straightforward to explain what I've already told you many times. The ban on fire and rehire. The proposals are no different to what Labour agreed with Unions a few weeks ago or last July In exceptional circumstances if a Company is facing Bankruptcy it may negotiate with Unions a Company Restructuring which may include a change to pay scaled Commenting on the Labour Party’s plan to make work pay, UNISON (UKs Biggest Union) general secretary Christina McAnea said today (Saturday):
“There will be a clear choice in July. A vote for a party that understands the huge struggles employees and their families have been facing. Or one that’s persistently let working people down these past 14 years.
“Labour’s new deal best illustrates that choice. It will make work fairer and boost the economy too.
“That’s why its measures are proving popular on the doorstep. Bad employers will no longer be able to outprice good ones by cutting corners and reducing costs by exploiting staff.
“There’ll be an end to dodgy zero-hours contracts. Care workers will get paid travel time and a new fair pay agreement will help boost recruitment in that crisis-stricken sector too.
“Plus a wave of bringing public service contracts back in-house would end the profiteering in frontline services. Labour is the only party with a plan to help working families.”
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 26, 2024 15:53:36 GMT
I've already told you many times. The ban on fire and rehire. The proposals are no different to what Labour agreed with Unions a few weeks ago or last July In exceptional circumstances if a Company is facing Bankruptcy it may negotiate with Unions a Company Restructuring which may include a change to pay scaled Commenting on the Labour Party’s plan to make work pay, UNISON (UKs Biggest Union) general secretary Christina McAnea said today (Saturday):
“There will be a clear choice in July. A vote for a party that understands the huge struggles employees and their families have been facing. Or one that’s persistently let working people down these past 14 years.
“Labour’s new deal best illustrates that choice. It will make work fairer and boost the economy too.
“That’s why its measures are proving popular on the doorstep. Bad employers will no longer be able to outprice good ones by cutting corners and reducing costs by exploiting staff.
“There’ll be an end to dodgy zero-hours contracts. Care workers will get paid travel time and a new fair pay agreement will help boost recruitment in that crisis-stricken sector too.
“Plus a wave of bringing public service contracts back in-house would end the profiteering in frontline services. Labour is the only party with a plan to help working families.”
You're wasting your time. Gawa is getting hysterical and I can only assume he wants the Tories back in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 17:19:14 GMT
NOT. A. CHANCE. that I'll be voting for Labour now, Starmer is just trolling us now ...
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 17:43:40 GMT
I've already told you many times. The ban on fire and rehire. The proposals are no different to what Labour agreed with Unions a few weeks ago or last July In exceptional circumstances if a Company is facing Bankruptcy it may negotiate with Unions a Company Restructuring which may include a change to pay scaled Commenting on the Labour Party’s plan to make work pay, UNISON (UKs Biggest Union) general secretary Christina McAnea said today (Saturday):
“There will be a clear choice in July. A vote for a party that understands the huge struggles employees and their families have been facing. Or one that’s persistently let working people down these past 14 years.
“Labour’s new deal best illustrates that choice. It will make work fairer and boost the economy too.
“That’s why its measures are proving popular on the doorstep. Bad employers will no longer be able to outprice good ones by cutting corners and reducing costs by exploiting staff.
“There’ll be an end to dodgy zero-hours contracts. Care workers will get paid travel time and a new fair pay agreement will help boost recruitment in that crisis-stricken sector too.
“Plus a wave of bringing public service contracts back in-house would end the profiteering in frontline services. Labour is the only party with a plan to help working families.”
Do we really need to do this obtuse song and dance? OK let's do the timeline for you. October 2021 June 2023 - GMB conference "We will ban fire and rehire" Feb 1 2024 - Labour conference "We will ban fire and rehire" May 8th Source - www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/08/labour-vows-to-ban-fire-and-rehire-after-war-of-words-with-unionsMay 14th: Inaccurate as I suspected but I'll wait final judgement until it becomes enacted in Law A joint statement from the Labour Party and Tulo (Trade Union and Labour Party Liaison Organisation) following Tuesday’s meeting said: “Labour and the affiliated unions had a constructive discussion today.
“Together we have reiterated Labour’s full commitment to the New Deal for Working People, as agreed in July.
“We will continue to work together at pace on how a Labour government would implement it in legislation.”I'm sure there are some within Labour, Mendleson for one and probably some within PLP who oppose New Deal which is possibly the source of the inaccurate rumours to create disord www.thenational.scot/politics/24320335.labours-new-deal-will-implemented-as-agreed-keir-starmer-says/ [/quote] May 25th New pledge released which under fire and rehire says: That is not a ban on fire and rehire. As Sharon says in this interview, "the words on the page matter. I never say we're there until we've seen the words on the page" The once again redrafted document didn't have the words agreed. It's not a complete ban on fire and rehire. It has caveats. And it's not just fire and rehire either, zero contracts ban also rolled back on. Only "exploitative" banned. I presume you're a supporter of the caveats to allow fire and rehire given you're making a real effort to defend it? And keeping zero hour contracts too? How is it any different to what we have now where fire and rehire is also only meant to be considered as a last resort?
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Post by wannabee on May 27, 2024 9:10:15 GMT
In reply to Gawa Quote:
The once again redrafted document didn't have the words agreed. It's not a complete ban on fire and rehire. It has caveats.
And it's not just fire and rehire either, zero contracts ban also rolled back on. Only "exploitative" banned.
I presume you're a supporter of the caveats to allow fire and rehire given you're making a real effort to defend it? And keeping zero hour contracts too? How is it any different to what we have now where fire and rehire is also only meant to be considered as a last resort? [/quote][/i]
Removed the large quoting but thanks for taking us down Memory Lane
Remind me again where I have said anything about the Labour policy being agreed with the Unions before July 2023?
Yes there are two minor changes which does not alter the Policy in any meaningful way
The first as I already said is in the event of an impending Bankruptcy, Management and Unions may discuss an entire restructuring package which could include altering pay scales in an attempt to save some jobs. Workers would be under no obligation to accept but the alternative may be the loss of all jobs.
On Zero Hour Contracts if a person has been employed for 12 weeks THEY have the option of making their position Permanent, some people don't want this and prefer to have the option of working for a number of employers
The difference is that in the Real World since July 2023 Labour have listened to Employers and Workers and made two small tweaks
Are you saying you prefer if a Company is in Financial difficulty the best option is to close the Company losing all jobs rather than look at options which MIGHT be available to save some jobs?
Are you also saying people on Zero Hour Contracts should be forced to accept a Full Time Position against their will?
Your first witness for the prosecution was Laura Keunssberg who you have excoriated on here yet you not want to believe her in your desperation to cast Labour in a poor light rather than the person she was interviewing Rachel Reeves. Look at the details not the headlines and put aside your prejudices
Labour are attempting to build a partnership between Employers and Employees for mutual benefit not the confrontation which the Conservatives used resulting in so many strikes
There is much more in Labour's Workers Policy than just these two items like:
Having protected rights of unfair dismissal, redundancy etc from first day of employment not after 2 years
Single Status of "Worker" not employed or self-employed which exploitive employers use to reduce benefits and status
Strengthening Redundancy and TUPE Law
Protection for Whistleblowers including of Sexual Harrassment
Strengthen Self Employed Rights
Family friendly rights to ease path to employment
Flexible Working Home/Office to become the default position
Parental Rights to be strengthened re working
Carers Leave
Bereavement Leave
The right to switch off
Genuine Living Wage
Sick Pay
Fair Tips
Unpaid Internships
And many more
If Labour are elected and implement these Workers Policies it will be the most transformative in Decades
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Post by redstriper on May 27, 2024 9:27:10 GMT
Reading that list every one of them looks like an additional concession to the employee and a cost to the employer, so just interested how that can be described as a "partnership". It reads like a skivers charter, multiple excuses for more time off at a stage where time off for sickness is already at record levels and businesses are having problems recruiting. What's in it for struggling SME businesses who will have to foot the bill, and what is he planning to do to help business generally ?
It's already almost impossible to sack anyone who takes the piss. The narrative is all about worker exploitation, what about company exploitation ?... or doesn't that matter ?
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 9:48:36 GMT
Thanks wannabe for confirming that changes were made to what was agreed and it wasn't inaccurate as you suspected.
Glad we got there in the end.
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Post by wannabee on May 27, 2024 10:45:12 GMT
Thanks wannabe for confirming that changes were made to what was agreed and it wasn't inaccurate as you suspected. Glad we got there in the end. And thanks Gawa for not disputing the changes are minor and in fact may be more beneficial to workers than originally If Labour is successful in the Election they aim to introduce legislation in parliament within 100 days the whole package being transformative to Workers Rights That would certainly be a suitable end
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Post by wannabee on May 27, 2024 10:55:50 GMT
Reading that list every one of them looks like an additional concession to the employee and a cost to the employer, so just interested how that can be described as a "partnership". It reads like a skivers charter, multiple excuses for more time off at a stage where time off for sickness is already at record levels and businesses are having problems recruiting. What's in it for struggling SME businesses who will have to foot the bill, and what is he planning to do to help business generally ? It's already almost impossible to sack anyone who takes the piss. The narrative is all about worker exploitation, what about company exploitation ?... or doesn't that matter ? Of course the Heath of the Labour Force is intrinsic in the plan which benefits Employer and Employee With the current almost 8M on the NHS waiting list, many unable to work. Labour intends not to increase Tax or NI but to raise Tax on Non Doms, Private Equity Firms and remove VAT exemption from private Schools to fund additional NHS Appointments and 6,500 New Teachers
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Post by gawa on May 27, 2024 11:00:49 GMT
Thanks wannabe for confirming that changes were made to what was agreed and it wasn't inaccurate as you suspected. Glad we got there in the end. And thanks Gawa for not disputing the changes are minor and in fact may be more beneficial to workers than originally If Labour is successful in the Election they aim to introduce legislation in parliament within 100 days the whole package being transformative to Workers Rights That would certainly be a suitable end I just don't want to drag the thread out with more walls of text based on someone getting upset that TelAvivKeith has done another u turn and then trying to claim its all fake news and inaccurate. Seen his friends killed another load of kids in Gaza last night. Tbf though they do have the right to turn of water and electric to starving kids as an act of self defence. At least Christina from unison is supportive. Wonder if she will be rewarded with a cushy place in the house of lords like Dave Prentis. Or will she follow a similar path to Angela Rayner. Who knows but can't wait to find out. It's not like unison to be in bed with the establishment. Baron Dave of Leeds was a big advocate for adopting the IHRA definition which the right wing love to weaponise. At least he got rewarded by Starmers crew for doing as told. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45149426
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Post by wannabee on May 27, 2024 20:50:46 GMT
And thanks Gawa for not disputing the changes are minor and in fact may be more beneficial to workers than originally If Labour is successful in the Election they aim to introduce legislation in parliament within 100 days the whole package being transformative to Workers Rights That would certainly be a suitable end I just don't want to drag the thread out with more walls of text based on someone getting upset that TelAvivKeith has done another u turn and then trying to claim its all fake news and inaccurate. Seen his friends killed another load of kids in Gaza last night. Tbf though they do have the right to turn of water and electric to starving kids as an act of self defence. At least Christina from unison is supportive. Wonder if she will be rewarded with a cushy place in the house of lords like Dave Prentis. Or will she follow a similar path to Angela Rayner. Who knows but can't wait to find out. It's not like unison to be in bed with the establishment. Baron Dave of Leeds was a big advocate for adopting the IHRA definition which the right wing love to weaponise. At least he got rewarded by Starmers crew for doing as told. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45149426You're obviously not replying to my post but making a General point about Starmer's policy towards Gaza Conflict which I completely disagree with and have said so several times Without going even further off topic not at all sure what point you're making about Dave Prentice who was entirely supportive of Corbyn in the link you posted and was accurate in his prediction one year ahead of GE which was the worst Labour result since 1930s. Prentice has had a very varied and distinguished career in Public Service besides the Trade Union Movement and was elevated at the same time as fellow Trade Unionist Frances O'Grady
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Post by salopstick on May 28, 2024 7:15:37 GMT
Yes, I think Corbyn was radical....but when he became leader, had responsibility, he changed his mind on the biggest issue in UK politics, possibly since the Second World War....who governs Britain....he went for the conformist view,( credit to Corbyn he does usually say what he believes) rather than his actual conviction of the undemocratic EU. Corbyn v Johnson on the EU....I think the working class would have backed Corbyn. Never mind. Big John I think you are misremembering or reinventing history In the 2016 Referendum 186 of the 196 Labour MPs declared they would campaign to remain in EU. Corbyn although Leader of the Party was simply not in a position to carry his Party to enter the 2019 Election on an outright Pro Brexit Manifesto Here is what the 2019 Labour Party Manifesto actually said they would do on Brexit if Elected Labour would rip up Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, negotiate a new one with the EU within three months, and then put the deal to a referendum within six months of coming to power. The referendum would not be advisory but “legally binding”. A deal would involve a “comprehensive” UK-wide customs arrangement with the EU; “close alignment with the single market”, and “dynamic alignment” on workers’ rights and the environment which guarantees keeping pace with any future EU protections “as a minimum”. Under Labour, the UK would also continue to participate in the EU funding programmes on science and environment and scrap Operation Yellowhammer contingency planning. Interestingly Corbyn himself refused to say if he would campaign for or against Brexit in a second Referendum The alternative The Conservative Party presented was Boris Johnson's Oven Ready Turkey Deal You can decide which would have been a better outcome In the 2016 Referendum 186 of the 196 Labour MPs declared they would campaign to remain in EU. Corbyn although Leader of the Party was simply not in a position to carry his Party to enter the 2019 Election on an outright Pro Brexit Manifesto considering leave won in 2016 it would have been very reasonable and in fact a mandate for Labour to enter on a pro brexit manifesto what we got was "tory deal shit, i will get a better one, i will put that better one to a new referendum but I wont actually support it" that is why he is not in no 10 now, you'd have thought he'd have learned when May beat him by a rizla
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