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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 4, 2024 13:51:55 GMT
and starmers cunning plan to deal with those 4 issues is ? At least reform have announced a plan . Why wouldn't Reform announce its Fantasies when everyone ignores them as they will never be in a position to implement them Why should Labour announce their Manifesto ahead of GE being called only for the Tory’s to nick them as they have run out of ideas themselves .....OR, would it be within the realms of possibility the either Labour or the Tories form a coalition with Reform....? If the policies of Reform ARE indeed focused on points that really affect UK daily life, they would be wise to consider this.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2024 13:54:33 GMT
I genuinely believe that this election represents the best time for a call to arms from the polar ends of the political spectrum. On their own, reform will just dilute the Tory vote. If Corbyn et al grew some balls, that could lead to a greater spread of the vote on the left without the simple shift to more Tories. Starmer is running on a platform of “well, who else will you vote for?” Sunak is essentially doing the same. It’s about time Corbyn sat down with Farage and campaigned together (for two differing parties) that showed the British electorate that there are actually other options.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 4, 2024 14:45:28 GMT
Why wouldn't Reform announce its Fantasies when everyone ignores them as they will never be in a position to implement them Why should Labour announce their Manifesto ahead of GE being called only for the Tory’s to nick them as they have run out of ideas themselves .....OR, would it be within the realms of possibility the either Labour or the Tories form a coalition with Reform....? If the policies of Reform ARE indeed focused on points that really affect UK daily life, they would be wise to consider this....... Labour, not a chance, Tory’s, maybe if they get so desperate to get "Personality" Nige on the Ticket Some of the "Highlights" of Reform Manifesto Exempt 2 Million NHS Staff from Tax for 3 years to cut waiting lists Vouchers to see Private GP. Consultant, Operation if you have to wait 3 days, 3 weeks, 9 weeks on NHS Estimate Cost 15Bn a year which they would fund by QE Even if the cost is accurate, I doubt it, there is no Private Capacity and QE will drive up Interest Rates Increase Income Tax Threshold from £12,571 to £20,000. Raising Income Tax Threshold in line with inflation to £15,260 would cost £44Bn this I estimate would cost about £110Bn The Tax Cuts are going to be funded by abandoning Net Zero and vastly increasing Oil and Gas Licences There are some equally loony "Policies" on Defence, Immigration and Education These are the sort of Policies that appeal to the Economically Illiterate and blame Immigrants for all our Ills.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 7:05:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2024 10:35:11 GMT
Piss off Starmer you duplicitous prick: news.sky.com/story/labour-tweets-second-attack-ad-against-rishi-sunak-despite-gutter-politics-row-12851979Starmer: “Oh it’s so sad that everyone hates politicians. Oh, poor us. Why can’t the British public bend over and lick our shoes?” Also Starmer: “Sunak likes sex offenders”. It is laughable that people like Starmer, Sunak and Braverman are running this line of tripe given that they can’t speak without saying something inflammatory about the opposition. How shocking that people become…..inflamed.
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 11:39:13 GMT
Always look down never look up. Always someone less fortunate than ourselves to blame for our countries issues.
Only good thing about this is that we've finally been able to produce working time machines in the uk. Welcome to 2014 lads where tories now wear red and blue.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2024 11:48:11 GMT
Always look down never look up. Always someone less fortunate than ourselves to blame for our countries issues. Only good thing about this is that we've finally been able to produce working time machines in the uk. Welcome to 2014 lads where tories now wear red and blue. This woman is simply awful. She actually went there and used the phrase "there is no magic money tree" earlier whilst trying to patronise us by telling us "the credit cards are maxed out" which of course is that age old bullshit trope of trying to compare government coffers to a that of an individual household..........
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 7, 2024 12:01:12 GMT
Basically another 5 years of what we have now is ahead - it'll be dressed up a bit kinder but managed decline all the same and it leaves the door wide open for some sort of populist in 2029. Farage will be licking his lips.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2024 12:27:15 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 12:44:31 GMT
Only saving grace to stop these lot getting a majority is the fact the vast majority of their base, activists and campaigners have become disillusioned by the party. They're going to really struggle to get people on the ground out canvassing for them as most of those have turned their back on the party now.
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 12:51:48 GMT
Well said Diane
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 15:59:51 GMT
Another one gone
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 7, 2024 17:11:49 GMT
Starmer is that terrified of giving the Tories any sort of target that he's decided to basically offer nothing at all. As it stands I won't bother voting at all - it's time the Tories left government but there's zero chance Labour is getting my vote by default.
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2024 15:31:18 GMT
Bear in mind that Blakeley is very much of the left, when she says this ...
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Post by gawa on Mar 11, 2024 15:38:05 GMT
Bear in mind that Blakeley is very much of the left, when she says this ... Grace Blakely is a great political commentator and a bit of a Marxist as well. Has a new book out about capitalism which sounds good. Shame I don't have the patience to read unless I'm on a sun lounger in a foreign country.
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Post by gawa on Mar 13, 2024 15:27:11 GMT
The thread from Owen Jones sums up labour under starmer.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 13, 2024 15:34:18 GMT
As a Corbynista I will be voting for Starmer though gritted teeth. He has only one job. To get this bunch out .
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Post by gawa on Mar 14, 2024 14:13:59 GMT
An interesting fact about Starmers dad whose memory Starmer uses for political gain.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 14:22:51 GMT
Christ, I hope this isn't true, if it is, then it tells you all you need to know about the integrity of Starmer ...
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Post by gawa on Mar 14, 2024 18:41:32 GMT
Keir Starmer must be the biggest achievement of his father's career. Decades later and nobody has produced a bigger tool since 😁
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Post by gawa on Mar 15, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
Another former labour mp quits the party
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Post by gawa on Mar 18, 2024 22:02:58 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Mar 18, 2024 23:06:09 GMT
Both Conservatives and Labour are now both singing the same song. If you are over say 45 you will now see that the differences on offer at one time are now a distant memory. The only thing people vote for now is who they want to fuck them over. None of them have either said nor done anything to inform the electorate of how they will make a difference yet they still are the poll leaders. Either that tells you it's a manipulation or more likely, large numbers of the electorate are as dumb as a sack of walnut shells.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
Miss Reeves can fuck the fuck off ...
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Post by gawa on Mar 20, 2024 13:27:18 GMT
Miss Reeves can fuck the fuck off ... And so can lammy
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Post by desman2 on Mar 20, 2024 13:47:36 GMT
.....OR, would it be within the realms of possibility the either Labour or the Tories form a coalition with Reform....? If the policies of Reform ARE indeed focused on points that really affect UK daily life, they would be wise to consider this....... Labour, not a chance, Tory’s, maybe if they get so desperate to get "Personality" Nige on the Ticket Some of the "Highlights" of Reform Manifesto Exempt 2 Million NHS Staff from Tax for 3 years to cut waiting lists Vouchers to see Private GP. Consultant, Operation if you have to wait 3 days, 3 weeks, 9 weeks on NHS Estimate Cost 15Bn a year which they would fund by QE Even if the cost is accurate, I doubt it, there is no Private Capacity and QE will drive up Interest Rates Increase Income Tax Threshold from £12,571 to £20,000. Raising Income Tax Threshold in line with inflation to £15,260 would cost £44Bn this I estimate would cost about £110Bn The Tax Cuts are going to be funded by abandoning Net Zero and vastly increasing Oil and Gas Licences There are some equally loony "Policies" on Defence, Immigration and Education These are the sort of Policies that appeal to the Economically Illiterate and blame Immigrants for all our Ills. By the time you wrote all that out you could have just said " just stick to the same old shit guys " By the way. I don't think peoplle blame immigrants, but they do blame immigration policy and practice. Two different things.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 20, 2024 14:04:51 GMT
Miss Reeves can fuck the fuck off ... And so can lammy If it wasn’t so down right wrong it would be bloody hilarious All those labour voters going out to put the Xs against a party that supports thatcher Its getting to the stage if you want a left leaning government vote to keep Sunak
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Post by wannabee on Mar 20, 2024 15:20:44 GMT
Labour, not a chance, Tory’s, maybe if they get so desperate to get "Personality" Nige on the Ticket Some of the "Highlights" of Reform Manifesto Exempt 2 Million NHS Staff from Tax for 3 years to cut waiting lists Vouchers to see Private GP. Consultant, Operation if you have to wait 3 days, 3 weeks, 9 weeks on NHS Estimate Cost 15Bn a year which they would fund by QE Even if the cost is accurate, I doubt it, there is no Private Capacity and QE will drive up Interest Rates Increase Income Tax Threshold from £12,571 to £20,000. Raising Income Tax Threshold in line with inflation to £15,260 would cost £44Bn this I estimate would cost about £110Bn The Tax Cuts are going to be funded by abandoning Net Zero and vastly increasing Oil and Gas Licences There are some equally loony "Policies" on Defence, Immigration and Education These are the sort of Policies that appeal to the Economically Illiterate and blame Immigrants for all our Ills. By the time you wrote all that out you could have just said " just stick to the same old shit guys " By the way. I don't think peoplle blame immigrants, but they do blame immigration policy and practice. Two different things. Your reply to my over two week old post and your other post above are saying essentially the same thing, Conservatives and Labour are making the same offering and not informing the Electorate of how they will make a difference. I disagree, Conservatives have been in power for 14 years and have presided over the highest tax burden in 70 years and simultaneously increased the National Debt from £1Trn to £2.5Trn so we have their performance record as an indicator. Labour proposed 2 major Tax Adjustments a) A Windfall Tax which eventually the Conservatives nicked and introduced a botched version with many loopholes and b) Abolishing the Non Dom Tax Loophole which the Conservatives have now apparently nicked as well. I say apparently because Hunt intends to abolish Non Dom Status in April 2025, or never if you prefer as they will very likely not be in a position to do so. Why would Labour announce any substantive policies now with no power to implement when the likelihood is that if they were popular Conservatives would nick them. When Rishi finally mercifully announces the date of GE Labour will release a fully funded Manifesto which the Electorate can consider In order to gain Media Coverage other than on GBeebies Reform announced a raft of Policies which Dutch pondered if they made sense. In my view the Policies make little sense and gave details of why I thought so. I could have replied and maybe you would have preferred I had said "No they are a load of Shite"
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 20, 2024 16:11:57 GMT
Miss Reeves can fuck the fuck off ... And so can lammy Surely you see through this!? It is all bullshit words and no policy. It is politics. They are boxing in the Tories so all they can do is go further to the right and further isolate their traditional voters, whilst the vacuous words of the labour front bench entice traditional tory voters to consider switching sides. The oldest trick in the book! People on the left won’t switch to the tories and under our shoddy electoral system have nowhere else to turn but Labour realistically. Or they don’t vote. But labour is calculating that most will vote for them still because the state of the country needs a labour government more than a tory government and there is no other option. I guarantee the Labour manifesto won’t be a Thatcherite manifesto. If it is, then is the time to be critical, super critical in fact. All of this is political smoke and mirror nonsense that first past the post encourages.
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