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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2020 9:19:42 GMT
He's laying into Johnson a bit more than he has done before. I suppose its an open goal you'd be foolish not to take. Some not so veiled digs at Corbyn now, seems to have forgotten his own role in the puddled Brexit strategy he steamrollered through. I genuinely haven't watched it but I'm guessing lots of mentions of anti-semitism and "we're under new leadership" and not a single mention on Brexit. And Britain First is trending on Twitter so I'm also guessing he's going heavily for the "I'm a patriot, vote for me if you're working class" angle? Yes draping himself in the Union Jack seems to be the strategy. Him and Smeeth who introduced him seem to genuinely feel they played no role in the election defeat. Staggering arrogance.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 9:32:42 GMT
He's laying into Johnson a bit more than he has done before. I suppose its an open goal you'd be foolish not to take. Some not so veiled digs at Corbyn now, seems to have forgotten his own role in the puddled Brexit strategy he steamrollered through. Brexit is still dodgy ground for Starmer there are a lot of ex Labour voters who will neither forgive or forget his attempts to thwart Brexit As for attacking Boris it needs to be seen to be constructive But he should hold a lot of his fire for the next leader of the tory's And concentrate on coming up with some credible policy Holy shit I actually agree with you for once 😉 Johnson’s fucked anyway, the PR job the tories have done on rishi ‘I wear a hoody I’m just like you’ sunak has been outstanding that’ll be a big challenge to stramer
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2020 9:39:45 GMT
Brexit is still dodgy ground for Starmer there are a lot of ex Labour voters who will neither forgive or forget his attempts to thwart Brexit As for attacking Boris it needs to be seen to be constructive But he should hold a lot of his fire for the next leader of the tory's And concentrate on coming up with some credible policy Holy shit I actually agree with you for once 😉 Johnson’s fucked anyway, the PR job the tories have done on rishi ‘I wear a hoody I’m just like you’ sunak has been outstanding that’ll be a big challenge to stramer If you think its just the tory's you want to wander into your local wetherspoons it's a wall to wall rishi love in
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Post by lancashirelad on Sept 22, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
He did what Starmer does, speaks well and ticks boxes. A good starting point and put down the standard template to build a vision upon with hopefully viable policies to come, that's the easy bit done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 10:14:53 GMT
I've listened to it. It didn't stir any emotion good or bad to be honest, just nothingness.
I'm confused though:
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 10:15:59 GMT
Holy shit I actually agree with you for once 😉 Johnson’s fucked anyway, the PR job the tories have done on rishi ‘I wear a hoody I’m just like you’ sunak has been outstanding that’ll be a big challenge to stramer If you think its just the tory's you want to wander into your local wetherspoons it's a wall to wall rishi love in Oh I know it is it’s fucking ‘everyone loves rishi’ even my fucking momentum mates don’t mind him Like I say, for a billionaire oxbridge bloke he’s more likeable than most, even though I assume most of that is smoke and mirrors
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 10:17:40 GMT
I've listened to it. It didn't stir any emotion good or bad to be honest, just nothingness. I'm confused though: Surely the thing to do would be to go ‘the last 4 years was dogshit I apologise for my part in it, here’s how I’m going to different than ol jezza’ Or at least that’s how I’d have played it
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2020 10:24:42 GMT
I've listened to it. It didn't stir any emotion good or bad to be honest, just nothingness. I'm confused though: Surely the thing to do would be to go ‘the last 4 years was dogshit I apologise for my part in it, here’s how I’m going to different than ol jezza’ Or at least that’s how I’d have played it He did trash the last four years though and actually sabotaged them.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 10:27:40 GMT
Surely the thing to do would be to go ‘the last 4 years was dogshit I apologise for my part in it, here’s how I’m going to different than ol jezza’ Or at least that’s how I’d have played it He did trash the last four years though and actually sabotaged them. Let’s be honest he wasn’t getting in fucking regardless. The majority of the public fucking hate JC and he should never have been allowed another go after not being able to win against may. who has as much likeabily as Fred west
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 22, 2020 10:56:57 GMT
He did trash the last four years though and actually sabotaged them. Let’s be honest he wasn’t getting in fucking regardless. The majority of the public fucking hate JC and he should never have been allowed another go after not being able to win against may. who has as much likeabily as Fred west Yep. It wasn't really about Corbyn and it wasn't really about the Bluffer, although I accept that characterisations of both played a part, especially when you have two thirds of the press saying one is the devil incarnate and the other is the great white hope. But mainly it was about never having to hear about Brexit again. Just goes to show how even a bumbling bluffer like Johnson can get a thumping majority if the conditions are right. As I've said many times on here, the vast majority of the public has little or no interest or understanding of politics beyond simple characterisations (eating a bacon sarnie weirdly; being a bit of a feckless character, etc) so simple messages like Get Brexit Done go a long way when a disinterested electorate just wants Brexit to fuck off!
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 10:59:10 GMT
Let’s be honest he wasn’t getting in fucking regardless. The majority of the public fucking hate JC and he should never have been allowed another go after not being able to win against may. who has as much likeabily as Fred west Yep. It wasn't really about Corbyn and it wasn't really about the Bluffer, although I accept that characterisations of both played a part, especially when you have two thirds of the press saying one is the devil incarnate and the other is the great white hope. But mainly it was about never having to hear about Brexit again. Yeh I’d probably go along, I have no idea what the Tory message was beyond ‘are you bored shitless of Brexit’ but fair play it worked for them
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2020 12:18:51 GMT
Surely the thing to do would be to go ‘the last 4 years was dogshit I apologise for my part in it, here’s how I’m going to different than ol jezza’ Or at least that’s how I’d have played it He did trash the last four years though and actually sabotaged them. Correct and the slimy bastard Is busy carrying out a vendetta against anyone involved
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Post by thevoid on Sept 22, 2020 12:24:00 GMT
I genuinely haven't watched it but I'm guessing lots of mentions of anti-semitism and "we're under new leadership" and not a single mention on Brexit. And Britain First is trending on Twitter so I'm also guessing he's going heavily for the "I'm a patriot, vote for me if you're working class" angle? Yes draping himself in the Union Jack seems to be the strategy. Him and Smeeth who introduced him seem to genuinely feel they played no role in the election defeat. Staggering arrogance. A British party using the national flag. Crazy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 22, 2020 12:26:21 GMT
Yes draping himself in the Union Jack seems to be the strategy. Him and Smeeth who introduced him seem to genuinely feel they played no role in the election defeat. Staggering arrogance. A British party using the national flag. Crazy. It's a rather interesting development, no?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2020 12:27:55 GMT
A British party using the national flag. Crazy. It's a rather interesting development, no? No I think it's another example of Starmer trying to ride two horses with one arse
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2020 14:09:38 GMT
It's a rather interesting development, no? No I think it's another example of Starmer trying to ride two horses with one arse An arse has two cheeks.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2020 14:13:46 GMT
No I think it's another example of Starmer trying to ride two horses with one arse An arse has two cheeks. But its not advisable to spread them to wide
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2020 15:40:49 GMT
Let’s be honest he wasn’t getting in fucking regardless. The majority of the public fucking hate JC and he should never have been allowed another go after not being able to win against may. who has as much likeabily as Fred west Yep. It wasn't really about Corbyn and it wasn't really about the Bluffer, although I accept that characterisations of both played a part, especially when you have two thirds of the press saying one is the devil incarnate and the other is the great white hope. But mainly it was about never having to hear about Brexit again. Just goes to show how even a bumbling bluffer like Johnson can get a thumping majority if the conditions are right. As I've said many times on here, the vast majority of the public has little or no interest or understanding of politics beyond simple characterisations (eating a bacon sarnie weirdly; being a bit of a feckless character, etc) so simple messages like Get Brexit Done go a long way when a disinterested electorate just wants Brexit to fuck off! It wasn't about Corbyn wants Brexit to fuck off
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 22, 2020 17:18:32 GMT
Holy shit I actually agree with you for once 😉 Johnson’s fucked anyway, the PR job the tories have done on rishi ‘I wear a hoody I’m just like you’ sunak has been outstanding that’ll be a big challenge to stramer If you think its just the tory's you want to wander into your local wetherspoons it's a wall to wall rishi love in I've been impressed with Sunak since taking over as Chancellor. In the past 6 months the shining light from this Government has been the Furlough scheme. I was even a fan of 'eat out' - clearly this might not have been the greatest idea with hindsight but at the time we were heading in the right direction and it was something different and unique thst definitely provided a shot in the arm to businesses. However, looming large on the horizon is what happens after Furlough, and if I had shares in Sunak I'd be thinking of cashing them out relatively soon.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 22, 2020 17:25:55 GMT
Just seen him on the news was quite impressed.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 17:29:50 GMT
The sane and safe pair of hands to take labour forward. Very accomplished and exactly what labour and the country needs
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 22, 2020 19:04:28 GMT
The sane and safe pair of hands to take labour forward. Very accomplished and exactly what labour and the country needs Was just thinking the same. He’s the only way they’ll win votes back because he’s quite sensible. Corbin would never win a general election he was to radical. The country needs a sensible alternative to the Conservative party. If they did they’d walk the next election.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 22, 2020 20:59:53 GMT
The sane and safe pair of hands to take labour forward. Very accomplished and exactly what labour and the country needs Was just thinking the same. He’s the only way they’ll win votes back because he’s quite sensible. Corbin would never win a general election he was to radical. The country needs a sensible alternative to the Conservative party. If they did they’d walk the next election. I think that’s the thing. Nobody knows how electable/popular this Tory government because all they’ve effectively done is beat a one legged man in arse kicking contest l. Be interesting to see how they get on against a competent opposition
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 22, 2020 21:09:50 GMT
Yes draping himself in the Union Jack seems to be the strategy. Him and Smeeth who introduced him seem to genuinely feel they played no role in the election defeat. Staggering arrogance. A British party using the national flag. Crazy. That’s quite funny. I’m sure there was some reference to the Union flag and it representing bad things about the country from some posters. Tricky choices.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 22, 2020 21:44:20 GMT
Starmer wont win. In the months leading up to the next election it'll be cameras on a dinghy in the channel with a couple of brown people in it and Mr Free Movement will be toast. Even if he wears his Union Jack boxer shorts.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2020 22:04:42 GMT
Starmer wont win. In the months leading up to the next election it'll be cameras on a dinghy in the channel with a couple of brown people in it and Mr Free Movement will be toast. Even if he wears his Union Jack boxer shorts. The closer he gets the more skeletons will start manifesting themselves from his closet, the sentences handed out to the paedo gangs particularly in the NW of the country whist he was head DPP will be revisited and scrutinised I believe the press will be digging in this direction, much will depend on who replaces Bo jo next year as Tory party leader, at least he is a credible opponent unlike Racist Grandpa and his Marxist goons.
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Post by chad on Sept 22, 2020 22:28:48 GMT
I've listened to it. It didn't stir any emotion good or bad to be honest, just nothingness. I'm confused though: Surely the thing to do would be to go ‘the last 4 years was dogshit I apologise for my part in it, here’s how I’m going to different than ol jezza’ Or at least that’s how I’d have played it Spot on. He should of laid into Corbyn and Momentum and made it clear he will take Labour back nearer the centre. Won’t happen though still too many rabid left wing union leaders to reign him in
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 23, 2020 6:52:26 GMT
Starmer wont win. In the months leading up to the next election it'll be cameras on a dinghy in the channel with a couple of brown people in it and Mr Free Movement will be toast. Even if he wears his Union Jack boxer shorts. The closer he gets the more skeletons will start manifesting themselves from his closet, the sentences handed out to the paedo gangs particularly in the NW of the country whist he was head DPP will be revisited and scrutinised I believe the press will be digging in this direction, much will depend on who replaces Bo jo next year as Tory party leader, at least he is a credible opponent unlike Racist Grandpa and his Marxist goons. It's not as if going from fronting the Peoples Vote and believing in free movement to "Britain First" and draping yourself in Union Jack in the space of 9 months will appear a little unbelievable.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 23, 2020 7:16:52 GMT
It all depends on what the press tells people to think about Starmer. Most people don't have a clue about politics and even less interest.
Made me chuckle last night on C4 News when they went to Doncaster to vox pop Starmer's leadership speech. One of the vox poppers said he'd asked some friends what they'd thought - the answer from most of them was who's Keir Starmer!
So, as always, the press will shape the opinions of people with little interest and knowledge of politics. At the moment the right wing press, which dominates reporting in this country, appears undecided about Starmer. Certainly they haven't laid into him like they did with Corbyn. Yet.
By and large they're focussing on trying not to report government incompetence at the moment, but that will end once Covid is over. We'll see then how Starmer is treated. We might also have a different PM by then...
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 23, 2020 7:41:40 GMT
It all depends on what the press tells people to think about Starmer. Most people don't have a clue about politics and even less interest. Made me chuckle last night on C4 News when they went to Doncaster to vox pop Starmer's leadership speech. One of the vox poppers said he'd asked some friends what they'd thought - the answer from most of them was who's Keir Starmer! So, as always, the press will shape the opinions of people with little interest and knowledge of politics. At the moment the right wing press, which dominates reporting in this country, appears undecided about Starmer. Certainly they haven't laid into him like they did with Corbyn. Yet. By and large they're focussing on trying not to report government incompetence at the moment, but that will end once Covid is over. We'll see then how Starmer is treated. We might also have a different PM by then... Imagine how much better this country would be if people took 20 minutes out thier weekto take some notice of the people making decisions in thier country. I’ve always found the idea of a lack of political interest baffling
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