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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 19:35:19 GMT
18 Labour MP's voted against the bill.
Labour's stance on a 2nd Scottish referendum.
At some point Starmer will have to give an opinion and a hint of the policies he wants to take into the next election. There's a reason he's getting an easy ride from the MSM currently, he's not a threat........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 19:36:31 GMT
18 Labour MP's voted against the bill. Labour's stance on a 2nd Scottish referendum. At some point Starmer will have to give an opinion and a hint of the policies he wants to take into the next election. There's a reason he's getting an easy ride from the MSM currently, he's not a threat........ Anyone would think he is a Tory stooge.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2020 21:27:41 GMT
18 Labour MP's voted against the bill. Labour's stance on a 2nd Scottish referendum. At some point Starmer will have to give an opinion and a hint of the policies he wants to take into the next election. There's a reason he's getting an easy ride from the MSM currently, he's not a threat........ God to see there are still 18 people of principle in the party.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 23, 2020 21:47:20 GMT
18 Labour MP's voted against the bill. Labour's stance on a 2nd Scottish referendum. At some point Starmer will have to give an opinion and a hint of the policies he wants to take into the next election. There's a reason he's getting an easy ride from the MSM currently, he's not a threat........ God to see there are still 18 people of principle in the party. Having principle has lost Nadia Whittome her place in the shadow cabinet. A new leadership.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2020 21:57:23 GMT
God to see there are still 18 people of principle in the party. Having principle has lost Nadia Whittome her place in the shadow cabinet. A new leadership. Yep, 'call me Kier's' new Labour was so disgusted by this frankly bizarre bill which effectively opts us out of parts of The Geneva Convention that he whipped his party into not voting against it and sacked Ministerial aides who did. Pathetic doesn't begin to sum it up.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 23, 2020 22:06:56 GMT
Having principle has lost Nadia Whittome her place in the shadow cabinet. A new leadership. Yep, 'call me Kier's' new Labour was so disgusted by this frankly bizarre bill which effectively opts us out of parts of The Geneva Convention that he whipped his party into not voting against it and sacked Ministerial aides who did. Pathetic doesn't begin to sum it up. Yes I just saw there was 3 in total. Maybe he shouted "Britain First" as he did it. Truly lost.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2020 7:23:36 GMT
Having principle has lost Nadia Whittome her place in the shadow cabinet. A new leadership. Yep, 'call me Kier's' new Labour was so disgusted by this frankly bizarre bill which effectively opts us out of parts of The Geneva Convention that he whipped his party into not voting against it and sacked Ministerial aides who did. Pathetic doesn't begin to sum it up. Kier Starmer the modern day Cheshire cat In grave danger of disappearing up his own arse Appearance over substance Kier hardie is turning in his grave having that as a namesake
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 8:17:46 GMT
It all depends on what the press tells people to think about Starmer. Most people don't have a clue about politics and even less interest. Made me chuckle last night on C4 News when they went to Doncaster to vox pop Starmer's leadership speech. One of the vox poppers said he'd asked some friends what they'd thought - the answer from most of them was who's Keir Starmer! So, as always, the press will shape the opinions of people with little interest and knowledge of politics. At the moment the right wing press, which dominates reporting in this country, appears undecided about Starmer. Certainly they haven't laid into him like they did with Corbyn. Yet. By and large they're focussing on trying not to report government incompetence at the moment, but that will end once Covid is over. We'll see then how Starmer is treated. We might also have a different PM by then... Imagine how much better this country would be if people took 20 minutes out thier weekto take some notice of the people making decisions in thier country. I’ve always found the idea of a lack of political interest baffling Indeed, the level of political apathy in this country (perhaps the Western world generally, where life is pretty cushy most of the time) is shocking. I saw a poll yesterday where over half the respondents had no idea whether the Daily Telegraph was more favourable to the Conservatives or not! You can see why simple dog whistle tactics work so effectively.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 24, 2020 9:47:00 GMT
Imagine how much better this country would be if people took 20 minutes out thier weekto take some notice of the people making decisions in thier country. I’ve always found the idea of a lack of political interest baffling Indeed, the level of political apathy in this country (perhaps the Western world generally, where life is pretty cushy most of the time) is shocking. I saw a poll yesterday where over half the respondents had no idea whether the Daily Telegraph was more favourable to the Conservatives or not! You can see why simple dog whistle tactics work so effectively. Wow, one hell of stat that. Could argue it’s what give murdoch so much power is peoples complete unwillingness to question what papers print
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 24, 2020 10:00:06 GMT
Indeed, the level of political apathy in this country (perhaps the Western world generally, where life is pretty cushy most of the time) is shocking. I saw a poll yesterday where over half the respondents had no idea whether the Daily Telegraph was more favourable to the Conservatives or not! You can see why simple dog whistle tactics work so effectively. Wow, one hell of stat that. Could argue it’s what give murdoch so much power is peoples complete unwillingness to question what papers print I dunno mate. You've seemed to have readily fallen for a load of the crap and lies they printed about Corbyn
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 11:08:52 GMT
Indeed, the level of political apathy in this country (perhaps the Western world generally, where life is pretty cushy most of the time) is shocking. I saw a poll yesterday where over half the respondents had no idea whether the Daily Telegraph was more favourable to the Conservatives or not! You can see why simple dog whistle tactics work so effectively. Wow, one hell of stat that. Could argue it’s what give murdoch so much power is peoples complete unwillingness to question what papers print It's a complete fallacy to think that they don't influence people's thinking. Especially if you're not that interested to start with and can't be arsed to go beyond the superficial. The Miliband bacon sarnie test is always very revealing in that regard! I think it was Beaverbrook who was questioned on why he owned newspapers. The interviewer tried to rile him by saying "It's all about power, without any responsibility, isn't it?" To which Beaverbrook replied, "Of course, why else would I want to be an owner!"
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Post by thevoid on Sept 24, 2020 11:39:07 GMT
18 Labour MP's voted against the bill. Labour's stance on a 2nd Scottish referendum. At some point Starmer will have to give an opinion and a hint of the policies he wants to take into the next election. There's a reason he's getting an easy ride from the MSM currently, he's not a threat........ Anyone would think he is a Tory stooge. Surely that was the last chap?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 24, 2020 12:48:35 GMT
So Nadia Whitthome was effectively sacked live on TV after Starmer's staff leaked the news via the despicable right wing Guido Fawkes website.
Jesus wept, just when you thought this new regime couldn't sink much lower.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 19:43:41 GMT
Significantly, this is the first Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll which has shown a tie. They normally result in significant leads for the Tories. redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-22-23-september-2020/You'd expect the other surveys to show a small lead for Labour, if the same pattern is repeated. Bluffer's approval rating falls further to -7% according to RWS. No great surprise.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 24, 2020 20:27:52 GMT
Indeed, the level of political apathy in this country (perhaps the Western world generally, where life is pretty cushy most of the time) is shocking. I saw a poll yesterday where over half the respondents had no idea whether the Daily Telegraph was more favourable to the Conservatives or not! You can see why simple dog whistle tactics work so effectively. Wow, one hell of stat that. Could argue it’s what give murdoch so much power is peoples complete unwillingness to question what papers print Most of the Telegraph content is stuck behind a paywall so I’m not surprised many have no clue on their partisan lean.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 6:19:48 GMT
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 25, 2020 6:41:32 GMT
Wow, one hell of stat that. Could argue it’s what give murdoch so much power is peoples complete unwillingness to question what papers print I dunno mate. You've seemed to have readily fallen for a load of the crap and lies they printed about Corbyn Haha should’ve seen that one coming shouldn’t I 😉 My main problem with corbyn as well as his ‘interesting’ view of being mates with Hamas. Just the level of borrowing which granted since rona doesn’t actually seem that much anymore. Also just small things like nationalised energy seem like a really bad idea, we’ve had something kinda similar try and get off the ground in Nottingham called Robin Hood energy and it’s been a fucking disaster. Also from a purely selfish point of view I could from a quite well off family and would quite like some of my inheritance to go to me instead of the state, not one of the main reasons but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think about it
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2020 6:42:46 GMT
So Nadia Whitthome was effectively sacked live on TV after Starmer's staff leaked the news via the despicable right wing Guido Fawkes website. Jesus wept, just when you thought this new regime couldn't sink much lower. He's sorting out the left as predicted fair play I might even vote for him
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 25, 2020 8:34:00 GMT
So Nadia Whitthome was effectively sacked live on TV after Starmer's staff leaked the news via the despicable right wing Guido Fawkes website. Jesus wept, just when you thought this new regime couldn't sink much lower. He's sorting out the left as predicted fair play I might even vote for him (thumbsup) Why not join up. They are going to need some new people to knock on doors.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2020 9:13:38 GMT
He's sorting out the left as predicted fair play I might even vote for him Why not join up. They are going to need some new people to knock on doors. I did say might, I would like to see how he performs under pressure when Boris gets the bullet in March next year.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 26, 2020 19:09:20 GMT
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 26, 2020 19:39:00 GMT
And this ultimately is the fact of the matter. For whatever problems people have with Kier he’s there to one thing, win Everything else is secondary
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 27, 2020 6:23:07 GMT
I'm sure none of that is lost on Sir Graham Brady, and a few whisperings and manoeuvrings are already taking place. No-one is as ruthless as the Tory party in getting shot of lame duck leaders. The Torygraph appears to have already decided Bluffer's shot and have noticeably started bigging up Sunak. Bluffer will no doubt be expected to deliver a barnstorming speech at virtual conference and then allowed to deal with the Brexit fallout before being shoved back into the obscurity of having hopefully no responsibility whatsoever where he so plainly belongs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 9:52:17 GMT
I've said may times on here I'm always sceptical of polls as often they are used to shape opinion not gauge it, but here are the polls across the board....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 28, 2020 9:56:14 GMT
I'm not surprised by those figures. Redfield and Wilton have generally produced poll results with healthy Tory leads, so if they are are showing tied, most of the rest are likely to show Labour leads.
It's a fair bit of a turn around from an 80 seat majority. Only polls I know, but I can't imagine it's sitting well in Tory Central.
For a man who's wanted to be PM all his life, he's not making a great job of it so far.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 28, 2020 10:17:11 GMT
I'm not surprised by those figures. Redfield and Wilton have generally produced poll results with healthy Tory leads, so if they are are showing tied, most of the rest are likely to show Labour leads. It's a fair bit of a turn around from an 80 seat majority. Only polls I know, but I can't imagine it's sitting well in Tory Central. For a man who's wanted to be PM all his life, he's not making a great job of it so far. It will be particularly worrying to them this poll lead wasnt accompanied by revelations to friendly media from a Labour MP hostile to the leadership. Followed by blanket coverage of the coverage of those revelations as a problem that wont go away despite a new poll lead. Meaning every interview becomes about the revelation/ problem that wont go away rather than the poll lead. That was all very handy for them.
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Post by felonious on Oct 7, 2020 6:56:12 GMT
A meeting of the Unite union executive has decided to cut its affiliation money to the Labour Party by about 10%, BBC Newsnight understands. Unite is the Labour Party's single biggest donor, providing the party with millions in funding every year. But there is anger in the union about Labour's direction under Sir Keir Starmer with a source saying he and his inner team were "just not listening". The Labour Party has so far not commented on the decision www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54444143Not sure whether this is good or bad news for Starmer. Funds are going to be redirected at grassroots operations.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2020 7:03:49 GMT
Good news all round I'd say.
First, the focus on grassroots unionism is absolutely right.
Second, a weakening of the link to the Unions, always portrayed as "control" by the Unions by the right-wing media, will reduce the ability of the press to attack that.
Third, it'll probably result in other donors taking their place (not that political donations should be allowed) and increase their "middle ground" electability.
Think Starmer will be ok with this all round.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2020 8:21:38 GMT
Good news all round I'd say. First, the focus on grassroots unionism is absolutely right. Second, a weakening of the link to the Unions, always portrayed as "control" by the Unions by the right-wing media, will reduce the ability of the press to attack that. Third, it'll probably result in other donors taking their place (not that political donations should be allowed) and increase their "middle ground" electability. Think Starmer will be ok with this all round. I was a rep for Unite for a bit, bloody awful organisation in my experience, largely stuck in the 70s, some of the phone calls I had with them were like something from Little Britain.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 7, 2020 8:31:25 GMT
Looking at the polls Labour are beating the Tories, and Starmer is seen as better Prime Minister material than Johnson.
Over on the far-left echo chamber that is Twitter, yesterday they had #StarmerOut trending, and today it's #ResignStarmer.
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