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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 30, 2023 15:14:10 GMT
I quite like the idea of nobody owning a car. When you want a car, you walk up to one which is parked use an app and open it with bluetooth and pay per mile (or book it in advance so you get the size you need: if you have kids/are going on a long journey with luggage). I bet it would be a lot cheaper than owning for many (particularly if it were state run). Obviously never going to happen, and there are people who need cars all the time/live in remote places so wouldn’t have a fleet of cars to use on their doorstep! This sort of functionality already exists and works, I think they even have it in London. They defo have it in Amsterdam and Berlin. It works similar to those apps for renting escooters. The technology is there for it but I don't think the population is ready for such radical change. Zipcar does it in London. And Liigu is a new car hire firm from France that doesn’t have desks and does everything by app and bluetooth. I have used them twice and they are brilliant and much cheaper than car hire competitors. We have come quite far off the topic of Starmer…
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Post by gawa on Aug 30, 2023 15:14:17 GMT
So you're as bad as they are zero tolerance commie 😂 Nothing commie about me mate I'm right wing and proud if it. The difference between me and you though is I don't mind other people having an opinion, I'm not threatened by it, I know I'm right. The far right are as bad as the far left and instead of calling others an embarrassment look at yourself. Well I tell you this is certainly an exciting turn of events. Right wing on Right wing action. Where is David Attenborough when we need him to record this rare event on the oatcake and in nature in general. I'm going team slippyblunger, gewan the lads!
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Post by paddockboothen on Aug 30, 2023 15:14:32 GMT
I’m bored (on a long car journey) so am content to assist him/her in making him/her look stupid. But you are right. Someone seems to have created lots of profiles. Some people have far too much time on their hands. Fair play 🙂 School holidays innit bruv, always seems to get a bit that way until the kids go back school, I think 6 weeks may be just too long for some of them. But you have a field day come school holidays!
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Post by Robo10 on Aug 30, 2023 15:18:27 GMT
This thread is a reminder that Mr Starmer doesnt have to be 'shit' or not - the Govt, 'leading' political figures and media mean his job is made fairly easy to win the next election with no real public support
They just want the other lot out, and SKS is the next taxi at the rank
(I like him and he will be a good PM, professional, pragmatic, calm - I couldnt care less if he would be shit on Im a Celebrity...or Love Island - hopefully the days of X Factor politics is starting to draw to an end - just competence and integrity would be admirable start...)
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 30, 2023 15:28:49 GMT
😂 Nothing commie about me mate I'm right wing and proud if it. The difference between me and you though is I don't mind other people having an opinion, I'm not threatened by it, I know I'm right. The far right are as bad as the far left and instead of calling others an embarrassment look at yourself. Well I tell you this is certainly an exciting turn of events. Right wing on Right wing action. Where is David Attenborough when we need him to record this rare event on the oatcake and in nature in general. I'm going team slippyblunger, gewan the lads! Hold on in a min, don't link me with him, he's obviously a piss head 😳 I can't stand Corbyn but I'm stubborn and it's people like that, that would make me vote for him just to prove a point.😂
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Post by elystokie on Aug 30, 2023 20:55:15 GMT
So Londoners can't have clean air because you don't get enough of a say in what happens where you live? Eh? I didn’t say that at all You brought up the subject that people from outside London shouldn’t be saying what should happen in London I merely pointed out a touch of hypocrisy as Londoners and other major cites have spent years telling the countryside how they should live there lives Maybe we all should have a say or there should be far more decentralisation There shouldn’t be a pick and chose situation Isnt it just that the government happens to 'run things' (I use the term in the loosest possible sense of the word, obviously) from London? I doubt all the Londoners get together and have a chat what happens where you live, I imagine they couldn't give a shiny shit either way. If you're not happy write to your MP it's what they're (supposed to be) there for.
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 14:16:30 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 31, 2023 15:27:49 GMT
pollution doesn't stop at a border so the charge will be inflicted on neighbouring counties soon after or alternatively if there is no decrease in pollution deaths (as defined by khan ) neighbouring boroughs will be blamed for the continuing number of cases . Perhaps the tube will be closed due to the air quality down there. the measurement of the pollution level required to stop lung disease will also probably be lowered once the infrastructure is in place as only 10% would currently(apparently) have to pay the ulez charge. X pence per mile will also be introduced because of the greater use of electric vehicles.
Future Ex mayors will probably be exempt from all such charges though ?
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 31, 2023 15:48:05 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers. What do you make of Paul Embery and Blue Labour?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 31, 2023 16:40:39 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers. I believe the situation in Leicester East is quite different to what your portraying The sitting MP Claudia Webbe elected for Labour but suspended when she was convicted of harassing a women who was having an affair with her Partner She attracted major local criticism when she was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn and resigning as an Islington Councillor City Mayor, Labour's Sir Peter Soulsby told LeicestershireLive the suspension had "been a long time coming." He said: "It has been very evident that in this constituency party there were a number of concerns about the way in which it was operating and these were of course, exacerbated during the run up to the last city council election. " it was clear the intervention the national party conducted more generally in Leicester was very much influenced by their concern about this particular constituency and its operation. www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/entire-leicester-east-labour-group-8716467?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#google_vignetteMy understanding is that it is not a Labour idealogical Left/Right dispute but an attempt to take over the CLP by people sympathetic to Hindutva The suspension was a result of meetings improperly convened to further that aim
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 31, 2023 17:00:56 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers. "A majority of those deselected belonged to ethnic minorities, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities." Why would it matter if they belong to ethnic minorities? Surely it would be just as bad if they were white 👀
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 18:10:41 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers. What do you make of Paul Embery and Blue Labour? I'll be honest I've never heard of him till this post. Seems to be quite active on twitter too so guess he's raised to popularity through there. I only watched some of the first video, maybe 20 minutes or so but he speaks well and I agree with some of his points. And at the same time I disagree with other points too. I'm more of a momentum or socialist campaign group type of Labour supporter rather than Blue Labour myself. He discuses stuff such as not talking the same language as working class people on some topics at the last election. Also mentions compromise too which I agree alot with, while we all have our own ideology we need to realise that compromise is the likely answer for most topics. I wasn't too fond of the two guys interviewing him. I'm not sure but they just came across a bit awkward and weird lol. Paul talks alot about believing in left wing economics but slightly more right when it comes to culture and family traditions and such. He seems to speak quite highly of alot of corbynomics for instance in some of the segments. I actually think he probably agrees with Farage on a number of points too. I personally believe Farage, at times, gets some unfair criticism or emphasis on some of his less politically correct views. But actually when it comes to the NHS, the economy and electoral reform he speaks some good points which I think Paul would agree with. What it highlights more to me is that there is far too much emphasis on left v right or Labour v conservative or Democrats v republicans. People's political views cannot be grouped into x or y. A left wing and right wing person can agree on one subject and disagree on another. Same goes for 2 left wing too etc.. What disappoints me about Paul though is that I think he's maybe came to prominence in recent years as he mentions twitter a bit so I get the impression he has a following there. And I get the feeling that he seems to be focusing on his niche and what differs him from other Labour members too much - sort of preaching to his church so to speak. He describes himself as a socialist and left wing on economics but I dont think he focuses on this a great deal. And writing books such as "why the modern left loathe the working class" is just ridiculous. Alot of focus from him on what he doesn't agree with from other Labour members but little emphasis or criticism directed towards Tories and what he disagrees with there. He mentions at the last election talking the working class language about levelling up, immigration etc.. but he doesn't go on to mention that it was simply that "all talk no action". As what the tories said they'd do they didn't, they made worse such as immigration. I haven't even checked the videos date but I'm going to assume it's a few years back. If so then this explains alot. I'd love to know his views on Starmer though seeing as he is big into his trade unions. Sorry I'm going off on tangents here. But yeah I agree and disagree on some things and I think in the interview I watched that he spoke pretty well. He makes me further agree with the need for political reform because it highlights that neither Labour or tory can represent all views. It need to splinter down into multiple parties representing a wider range of views with no party with a resounding majority.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 31, 2023 18:33:06 GMT
What do you make of Paul Embery and Blue Labour? I'll be honest I've never heard of him till this post. Seems to be quite active on twitter too so guess he's raised to popularity through there. I only watched some of the first video, maybe 20 minutes or so but he speaks well and I agree with some of his points. And at the same time I disagree with other points too. I'm more of a momentum or socialist campaign group type of Labour supporter rather than Blue Labour myself. He discuses stuff such as not talking the same language as working class people on some topics at the last election. Also mentions compromise too which I agree alot with, while we all have our own ideology we need to realise that compromise is the likely answer for most topics. I wasn't too fond of the two guys interviewing him. I'm not sure but they just came across a bit awkward and weird lol. Paul talks alot about believing in left wing economics but slightly more right when it comes to culture and family traditions and such. He seems to speak quite highly of alot of corbynomics for instance in some of the segments. I actually think he probably agrees with Farage on a number of points too. I personally believe Farage, at times, gets some unfair criticism or emphasis on some of his less politically correct views. But actually when it comes to the NHS, the economy and electoral reform he speaks some good points which I think Paul would agree with. What it highlights more to me is that there is far too much emphasis on left v right or Labour v conservative or Democrats v republicans. People's political views cannot be grouped into x or y. A left wing and right wing person can agree on one subject and disagree on another. Same goes for 2 left wing too etc.. What disappoints me about Paul though is that I think he's maybe came to prominence in recent years as he mentions twitter a bit so I get the impression he has a following there. And I get the feeling that he seems to be focusing on his niche and what differs him from other Labour members too much - sort of preaching to his church so to speak. He describes himself as a socialist and left wing on economics but I dont think he focuses on this a great deal. And writing books such as "why the modern left loathe the working class" is just ridiculous. Alot of focus from him on what he doesn't agree with from other Labour members but little emphasis or criticism directed towards Tories and what he disagrees with there. He mentions at the last election talking the working class language about levelling up, immigration etc.. but he doesn't go on to mention that it was simply that "all talk no action". As what the tories said they'd do they didn't, they made worse such as immigration. I haven't even checked the videos date but I'm going to assume it's a few years back. If so then this explains alot. I'd love to know his views on Starmer though seeing as he is big into his trade unions. Sorry I'm going off on tangents here. But yeah I agree and disagree on some things and I think in the interview I watched that he spoke pretty well. He makes me further agree with the need for political reform because it highlights that neither Labour or tory can represent all views. It need to splinter down into multiple parties representing a wider range of views with no party with a resounding majority. To be honest I've only seen about 5 minutes of the first video but I've seen all of the second so I can't comment in detail on the 1st one. He's an ex fireman I think he said and used to campaign for Labour. I don't know much about him but from what I've seen he seems sound and he's the kind of bloke Labour need in front of the cameras if they want to stay in power once they've gained it (which they clearly will at the next GE) Britain, or England at least is a socially conservative country and always has been and I think he can resonate with the average Joe on the street that come from traditional Labour voting areas but have become dissolutioned with the party over the last few years.
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 18:38:53 GMT
More Starmer Scumbaggery me thinks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986The national committee purged 19 of its councillors ahead of the elections - a decision slammed as "undemocratic" at the time. A majority of those deselected were from a Black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME) background, which also led to criticism. Labour sources stressed that the newly-selected candidates were representative of all communities. The well-documented internal troubles continued at the last city council elections with more quitting after Labour HQ intervened over the selection of candidates. Now, no doubt, eyes have been on the succession for the Parliamentary seat. The suspension of the whole constituency party will give Labour a short window to try to make sure choosing the candidate is done fairly and meets approval at the top. It'll mean, once again, though, a candidate could be selected who doesn't meet the approval of some members locally. Starmers Labour don't give a shit about what local people want. If you're left of centre he wants you out to replace you with conservatives wearing red ties. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour Party. .... but at least he might win an election so its all OK. Even if it means the left of the parry is purged and replaced with right wingers. I believe the situation in Leicester East is quite different to what your portraying The sitting MP Claudia Webbe elected for Labour but suspended when she was convicted of harassing a women who was having an affair with her Partner She attracted major local criticism when she was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn and resigning as an Islington Councillor City Mayor, Labour's Sir Peter Soulsby told LeicestershireLive the suspension had "been a long time coming." He said: "It has been very evident that in this constituency party there were a number of concerns about the way in which it was operating and these were of course, exacerbated during the run up to the last city council election. " it was clear the intervention the national party conducted more generally in Leicester was very much influenced by their concern about this particular constituency and its operation. www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/entire-leicester-east-labour-group-8716467?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#google_vignetteMy understanding is that it is not a Labour idealogical Left/Right dispute but an attempt to take over the CLP by people sympathetic to Hindutva The suspension was a result of meetings improperly convened to further that aim I beg to differ. Clauda Webbe is an individual. The 19 previously elected councillors removed from standing at the last election are not accountable for her actions. And the electorate answered with their votes during the election with Labour losing 22 seats, many to the tories, in an election where tories recorded record losses. Many of those candidates who lost the council election were not the choice of the local Labour group. And now they have went one further by suspending the whole group, once again so the NEC can interfere against local Labour members to shoehorn in the people they want, not the people the local community want. Now if this was a one off incident then yes certainly give the benefit of the doubt but it isn't. Under Starmer Labour have been purging candidates left right and centre. It's not the first and it won't be the last constituency to lose seats due to Starmers purge of the left. Had the NEC not interfered in Uxbridge we'd likely have had a labour MP there right now - morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/starmer-backed-neo-liberal-replaces-uxbridge-clps-preferred-candidate
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 18:46:09 GMT
I'll be honest I've never heard of him till this post. Seems to be quite active on twitter too so guess he's raised to popularity through there. I only watched some of the first video, maybe 20 minutes or so but he speaks well and I agree with some of his points. And at the same time I disagree with other points too. I'm more of a momentum or socialist campaign group type of Labour supporter rather than Blue Labour myself. He discuses stuff such as not talking the same language as working class people on some topics at the last election. Also mentions compromise too which I agree alot with, while we all have our own ideology we need to realise that compromise is the likely answer for most topics. I wasn't too fond of the two guys interviewing him. I'm not sure but they just came across a bit awkward and weird lol. Paul talks alot about believing in left wing economics but slightly more right when it comes to culture and family traditions and such. He seems to speak quite highly of alot of corbynomics for instance in some of the segments. I actually think he probably agrees with Farage on a number of points too. I personally believe Farage, at times, gets some unfair criticism or emphasis on some of his less politically correct views. But actually when it comes to the NHS, the economy and electoral reform he speaks some good points which I think Paul would agree with. What it highlights more to me is that there is far too much emphasis on left v right or Labour v conservative or Democrats v republicans. People's political views cannot be grouped into x or y. A left wing and right wing person can agree on one subject and disagree on another. Same goes for 2 left wing too etc.. What disappoints me about Paul though is that I think he's maybe came to prominence in recent years as he mentions twitter a bit so I get the impression he has a following there. And I get the feeling that he seems to be focusing on his niche and what differs him from other Labour members too much - sort of preaching to his church so to speak. He describes himself as a socialist and left wing on economics but I dont think he focuses on this a great deal. And writing books such as "why the modern left loathe the working class" is just ridiculous. Alot of focus from him on what he doesn't agree with from other Labour members but little emphasis or criticism directed towards Tories and what he disagrees with there. He mentions at the last election talking the working class language about levelling up, immigration etc.. but he doesn't go on to mention that it was simply that "all talk no action". As what the tories said they'd do they didn't, they made worse such as immigration. I haven't even checked the videos date but I'm going to assume it's a few years back. If so then this explains alot. I'd love to know his views on Starmer though seeing as he is big into his trade unions. Sorry I'm going off on tangents here. But yeah I agree and disagree on some things and I think in the interview I watched that he spoke pretty well. He makes me further agree with the need for political reform because it highlights that neither Labour or tory can represent all views. It need to splinter down into multiple parties representing a wider range of views with no party with a resounding majority. To be honest I've only seen about 5 minutes of the first video but I've seen all of the second so I can't comment in detail on the 1st one. He's an ex fireman I think he said and used to campaign for Labour. I don't know much about him but from what I've seen he seems sound and he's the kind of bloke Labour need in front of the cameras if they want to stay in power once they've gained it (which they clearly will at the next GE) Britain, or England at least is a socially conservative country and always has been and I think he can resonate with the average Joe on the street that come from traditional Labour voting areas but have become dissolutioned with the party over the last few years. I certainly think he'd win alot of votes and do well if he ever stood for election, he has an appeal to alot of people. He would get slaughtered by the media though due to some of his views. And I mean by both right and left wing media. He wouldn't be my personal choice of candidate but neither is Starmer lol. Certainly a personality who could win over some votes from the right though.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 31, 2023 19:08:17 GMT
I believe the situation in Leicester East is quite different to what your portraying The sitting MP Claudia Webbe elected for Labour but suspended when she was convicted of harassing a women who was having an affair with her Partner She attracted major local criticism when she was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn and resigning as an Islington Councillor City Mayor, Labour's Sir Peter Soulsby told LeicestershireLive the suspension had "been a long time coming." He said: "It has been very evident that in this constituency party there were a number of concerns about the way in which it was operating and these were of course, exacerbated during the run up to the last city council election. " it was clear the intervention the national party conducted more generally in Leicester was very much influenced by their concern about this particular constituency and its operation. www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/entire-leicester-east-labour-group-8716467?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#google_vignetteMy understanding is that it is not a Labour idealogical Left/Right dispute but an attempt to take over the CLP by people sympathetic to Hindutva The suspension was a result of meetings improperly convened to further that aim I beg to differ. Clauda Webbe is an individual. The 19 previously elected councillors removed from standing at the last election are not accountable for her actions. And the electorate answered with their votes during the election with Labour losing 22 seats, many to the tories, in an election where tories recorded record losses. Many of those candidates who lost the council election were not the choice of the local Labour group. And now they have went one further by suspending the whole group, once again so the NEC can interfere against local Labour members to shoehorn in the people they want, not the people the local community want. Now if this was a one off incident then yes certainly give the benefit of the doubt but it isn't. Under Starmer Labour have been purging candidates left right and centre. It's not the first and it won't be the last constituency to lose seats due to Starmers purge of the left. Had the NEC not interfered in Uxbridge we'd likely have had a labour MP there right now - morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/starmer-backed-neo-liberal-replaces-uxbridge-clps-preferred-candidateAnd I beg to differ from you Claudia Webbe was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn which you are accusing Starmer of even though no Candidate is yet selected The main objections to Webbe came from the same people that have been suspended now They attempted to rig the next selection process by only inviting certain people to CLP meetings who had Hindutva sympathies Having failed, one of the leading voices Rita Patel has set up a new Party, One Leicester It's very toxic and partly played out on the streets a few months ago I think you may be familiar with this type of Politics Edit: it's why the Mayor released a coded Statement which the people of Leicester will well understand that "the Labour and Conservative Councillors" will represent all people in Leicester
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 20:01:04 GMT
I beg to differ. Clauda Webbe is an individual. The 19 previously elected councillors removed from standing at the last election are not accountable for her actions. And the electorate answered with their votes during the election with Labour losing 22 seats, many to the tories, in an election where tories recorded record losses. Many of those candidates who lost the council election were not the choice of the local Labour group. And now they have went one further by suspending the whole group, once again so the NEC can interfere against local Labour members to shoehorn in the people they want, not the people the local community want. Now if this was a one off incident then yes certainly give the benefit of the doubt but it isn't. Under Starmer Labour have been purging candidates left right and centre. It's not the first and it won't be the last constituency to lose seats due to Starmers purge of the left. Had the NEC not interfered in Uxbridge we'd likely have had a labour MP there right now - morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/starmer-backed-neo-liberal-replaces-uxbridge-clps-preferred-candidateAnd I beg to differ from you Claudia Webbe was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn which you are accusing Starmer of even though no Candidate is yet selected The main objections to Webbe came from the same people that have been suspended now They attempted to rig the next selection process by only inviting certain people to CLP meetings who had Hindutva sympathies Having failed, one of the leading voices Rita Patel has set up a new Party, One Leicester It's very toxic and partly played out on the streets a few months ago I think you may be familiar with this type of Politics Edit: it's why the Mayor released a coded Statement which the people of Leicester will well understand that "the Labour and Conservative Councillors" will represent all people in Leicester And I plead to vary again with you. I'm not accusing Starmer of purging people from standing. I'm telling you he purged 19 candidates from standing for Councillor in Leicester this year and that he did the same in the recently lost Uxbridge election. And he's done it in many more areas too I've referenced on this thread. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. And just because it happened on this one seat under Corbyn after the last MP was suspended - does not mean that its OK. I'd have criticised him too. But if we're comparing Starmer and Corbyn when it comes to purging candidates then its like getting your sterling exchanged to lira. For every candidate Corbyn purged there's another 20 by Starmer. The main objecter to Webbe was John Thomas who has died. Keith Vaz who soilicitated male prostitutes and bought them drugs was a close friend of John Thomas so it's no surprise he quit. What surprises me though is that Keith Vaz is still involved as an honours president of Leicesters CLP and is involved in running their election campaigns. You'd have thought Starmer would have purged him along with the councillors. This gives alot more detail into the motives - www.workersliberty.org/story/2023-03-26/behind-labours-purge-leicester-councillorsBy the way if I'm incorrect and Jeremy Corbyn purged significant numbers of labour members and candidates as leader then do please correct me. I'm pretty sure it's incomparable between the two myself but happy to be corrected.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 31, 2023 20:42:42 GMT
There's a lot of begging going on on here 😂
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Post by wannabee on Aug 31, 2023 23:17:01 GMT
And I beg to differ from you Claudia Webbe was parachuted into Leicester East by Corbyn which you are accusing Starmer of even though no Candidate is yet selected The main objections to Webbe came from the same people that have been suspended now They attempted to rig the next selection process by only inviting certain people to CLP meetings who had Hindutva sympathies Having failed, one of the leading voices Rita Patel has set up a new Party, One Leicester It's very toxic and partly played out on the streets a few months ago I think you may be familiar with this type of Politics Edit: it's why the Mayor released a coded Statement which the people of Leicester will well understand that "the Labour and Conservative Councillors" will represent all people in Leicester And I plead to vary again with you. I'm not accusing Starmer of purging people from standing. I'm telling you he purged 19 candidates from standing for Councillor in Leicester this year and that he did the same in the recently lost Uxbridge election. And he's done it in many more areas too I've referenced on this thread. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. And just because it happened on this one seat under Corbyn after the last MP was suspended - does not mean that its OK. I'd have criticised him too. But if we're comparing Starmer and Corbyn when it comes to purging candidates then its like getting your sterling exchanged to lira. For every candidate Corbyn purged there's another 20 by Starmer. The main objecter to Webbe was John Thomas who has died. Keith Vaz who soilicitated male prostitutes and bought them drugs was a close friend of John Thomas so it's no surprise he quit. What surprises me though is that Keith Vaz is still involved as an honours president of Leicesters CLP and is involved in running their election campaigns. You'd have thought Starmer would have purged him along with the councillors. This gives alot more detail into the motives - www.workersliberty.org/story/2023-03-26/behind-labours-purge-leicester-councillorsBy the way if I'm incorrect and Jeremy Corbyn purged significant numbers of labour members and candidates as leader then do please correct me. I'm pretty sure it's incomparable between the two myself but happy to be corrected. I very much agree with Workers Liberty assessment that you linked There is an entirely Toxic situation going on in Leicester East and it is extremely dangerous Perhaps the NEC could have handled it better but in trying to on the surface create a balance may have outed those that shouldn't have been There are two problems going on, firstly there is a very vocal pro Modi Hindutva faction which are very intent on importing their malevolent Politics to Leicester East Secondly the dark shadow of disgraced ex MP Keith Vaz still weilds considerable influence and is doing so for his own benefit Several of the deselected Labour Councillors defected to the Conservatives and duly retained their seats. Good luck to the Conservative Party in restraining them in the future because they have no allegiance to either Labour or Conservative principals but to the Hindutva Mantra The real danger is that their divisive message may spill over onto the streets of Leicester as it did some months ago With regard to whether Corbyn manipulated the selection process of prospective MPs, of course he did as previous and current leader Starmer has/will. It's Politics, why wouldn't you want a core of like thinking MPs elected. For the record I'd much rather Corbyn was in a position to lead AND WIN the next GE than Starmer, that ship has sailed. unherd.com/2019/11/how-the-hard-left-has-seized-control-of-labour/This is my last post on this subject, you may have the last word.
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2023 23:29:11 GMT
And I plead to vary again with you. I'm not accusing Starmer of purging people from standing. I'm telling you he purged 19 candidates from standing for Councillor in Leicester this year and that he did the same in the recently lost Uxbridge election. And he's done it in many more areas too I've referenced on this thread. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. And just because it happened on this one seat under Corbyn after the last MP was suspended - does not mean that its OK. I'd have criticised him too. But if we're comparing Starmer and Corbyn when it comes to purging candidates then its like getting your sterling exchanged to lira. For every candidate Corbyn purged there's another 20 by Starmer. The main objecter to Webbe was John Thomas who has died. Keith Vaz who soilicitated male prostitutes and bought them drugs was a close friend of John Thomas so it's no surprise he quit. What surprises me though is that Keith Vaz is still involved as an honours president of Leicesters CLP and is involved in running their election campaigns. You'd have thought Starmer would have purged him along with the councillors. This gives alot more detail into the motives - www.workersliberty.org/story/2023-03-26/behind-labours-purge-leicester-councillorsBy the way if I'm incorrect and Jeremy Corbyn purged significant numbers of labour members and candidates as leader then do please correct me. I'm pretty sure it's incomparable between the two myself but happy to be corrected. I very much agree with Workers Liberty assessment that you linked There is an entirely Toxic situation going on in Leicester East and it is extremely dangerous Perhaps the NEC could have handled it better but in trying to on the surface create a balance may have outed those that shouldn't have been There are two problems going on, firstly there is a very vocal pro Modi Hindutva faction which are very intent on importing their malevolent Politics to Leicester East Secondly the dark shadow of disgraced ex MP Keith Vaz still weilds considerable influence and is doing so for his own benefit Several of the deselected Labour Councillors defected to the Conservatives and duly retained their seats. Good luck to the Conservative Party in restraining them in the future because they have no allegiance to either Labour or Conservative principals but to the Hindutva Mantra The real danger is that their divisive message may spill over onto the streets of Leicester as it did some months ago With regard to whether Corbyn manipulated the selection process of prospective MPs, of course he did as previous and current leader Starmer has/will. It's Politics, why wouldn't you want a core of like thinking MPs elected. For the record I'd much rather Corbyn was in a position to lead AND WIN the next GE than Starmer, that ship has sailed. unherd.com/2019/11/how-the-hard-left-has-seized-control-of-labour/This is my last post on this subject, you may have the last word. Word
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 4, 2023 20:44:03 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer has said he is happy to be branded a “fiscal conservative” as he repeatedly refused to commit to greater spending on the NHS and other public services.
What has happened to the Labour Party.
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Post by professorplump on Sept 5, 2023 6:59:48 GMT
Keir Starmer may be the leader but it's Tony Blair who's pulling the strings.
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Post by slippyblunger on Sept 5, 2023 7:01:38 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer has said he is happy to be branded a “fiscal conservative” as he repeatedly refused to commit to greater spending on the NHS and other public services. What has happened to the Labour Party. Labour, Tory 2 cheeks of the same arse mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2023 11:14:23 GMT
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Post by slippyblunger on Sept 5, 2023 11:16:16 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2023 11:27:00 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though. Please stop lying.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 5, 2023 11:33:17 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though. Are they fuck Corbyn has never been an anti Semite he like a lot of people with integrity and decency are understandably Anti Zionist There is a difference despite what the genocidal present government of Israel and its supporters would have you believe
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Post by slippyblunger on Sept 5, 2023 12:00:36 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though. Are they fuck Corbyn has never been an anti Semite he like a lot of people with integrity and decency are understandably Anti Zionist There is a difference despite what the genocidal present government of Israel and its supporters would have you believe 6 million jews died mate I have no time for anti semitic behaviour from Corbyn, his vile crew or anyone of the same racist mindset. Humans are humans and we should all be treated as equal and I won't accept anything less.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2023 12:02:29 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though. Are they fuck Corbyn has never been an anti Semite he like a lot of people with integrity and decency are understandably Anti Zionist There is a difference despite what the genocidal present government of Israel and its supporters would have you believe No point in arguing with the Clown mate.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 5, 2023 12:08:38 GMT
Corbyn and his crew are anti semites though. Are they fuck Corbyn has never been an anti Semite he like a lot of people with integrity and decency are understandably Anti Zionist There is a difference despite what the genocidal present government of Israel and its supporters would have you believe This illusory truth effect is f'kin tiresome
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