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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2020 7:27:46 GMT
Given what Boris has walked into there’s not a person regardless of their party who’d walk out smelling of roses.
It’s easy to sit back and say I’d do this, I’d do that when they’re not in a position to govern the country. Personally I’d have more respect for Starmer and his party if they mucked in and helped out and stopped all the play ground arguing, there’s enough crap going on without these Idiots adding to it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2020 7:38:27 GMT
Given what Boris has walked into there’s not a person regardless of their party who’d walk out smelling of roses. It’s easy to sit back and say I’d do this, I’d do that when they’re not in a position to govern the country. Personally I’d have more respect for Starmer and his party if they mucked in and helped out and stopped all the play ground arguing, there’s enough crap going on without these Idiots adding to it. Possibly. But having a man who doesn't do detail or bother reading his briefs in charge at a time of national crisis, Covid and Brexit, doesn't strike me as a sensible choice. We'll never know how Starmer would have managed because we've got another five years of the Bluffer (possibly!) But, I'd hazard a guess that not having a bumbling bluffing blustering details-free approach might be of benefit!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 7:57:01 GMT
Personally I’d have more respect for Starmer and his party if they mucked in and helped out and stopped all the play ground arguing, there’s enough crap going on without these Idiots adding to it. How should they 'muck in' by telling mother's at their wits end to 'stop carping?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 9:06:49 GMT
If this prat has nothing to say and can only resort to goading other posters is it time for Admin to give him a holiday?...I am a new poster but have followed Sheiks posts and he gets away with murder ...swearing..goading..insulting..#comeonadmin Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 9:08:43 GMT
Given what Boris has walked into there’s not a person regardless of their party who’d walk out smelling of roses. It’s easy to sit back and say I’d do this, I’d do that when they’re not in a position to govern the country. Personally I’d have more respect for Starmer and his party if they mucked in and helped out and stopped all the play ground arguing, there’s enough crap going on without these Idiots adding to it. Can you imagine if this was Corbyn running the show.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 9:09:55 GMT
If this prat has nothing to say and can only resort to goading other posters is it time for Admin to give him a holiday?...I am a new poster but have followed Sheiks posts and he gets away with murder ...swearing..goading..insulting..#comeonadmin Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field. You should have been permanently banned years ago with your right wing utter filth so not sure where you're going with this.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 20, 2020 9:20:12 GMT
Given what Boris has walked into there’s not a person regardless of their party who’d walk out smelling of roses. It’s easy to sit back and say I’d do this, I’d do that when they’re not in a position to govern the country. Personally I’d have more respect for Starmer and his party if they mucked in and helped out and stopped all the play ground arguing, there’s enough crap going on without these Idiots adding to it. Can you imagine if this was Corbyn running the show. Ok I’m no fan of corbyn ( I’m really not) but I’m interested how you think this could’ve gone worse
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 9:30:55 GMT
Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field. You should have been permanently banned years ago with your right wing utter filth so not sure where you're going with this. I know where I am going with this " your right wing utter filth" that's hilarious potty mouth
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 9:48:38 GMT
You should have been permanently banned years ago with your right wing utter filth so not sure where you're going with this. I know where I am going with this " your right wing utter filth" that's hilarious potty mouth Some of your posts over the years have been far right, racist filth. Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are. I don't mind you continuing to post, that's entirely up to those who run the site but to chase round the messageboard demanding others be banned like some sort of bizarre arbiter of morality is beyond parody. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself but you clearly have zero shame.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 9:58:58 GMT
I know where I am going with this " your right wing utter filth" that's hilarious potty mouth Some of your posts over the years have been far right, racist filth. Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are. I don't mind you continuing to post, that's entirely up to those who run the site but to chase round the messageboard demanding others be banned like some sort of bizarre arbiter of morality is beyond parody. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself but you clearly have zero shame. "I don't mind you continuing to post" that's big of you "Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are" you are admin aren't you that would explain a lot, have you ever been banned ?
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Post by mattyd2 on Sept 20, 2020 10:00:23 GMT
If this prat has nothing to say and can only resort to goading other posters is it time for Admin to give him a holiday?...I am a new poster but have followed Sheiks posts and he gets away with murder ...swearing..goading..insulting..#comeonadmin Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field. I see he's still at it. Totally unchecked, breaking the rules at will. Well...in the words of Irvine Berlin..." There may be trouble ahead"
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 10:02:12 GMT
Can you imagine if this was Corbyn running the show. Ok I’m no fan of corbyn ( I’m really not) but I’m interested how you think this could’ve gone worse
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 20, 2020 10:07:08 GMT
Ok I’m no fan of corbyn ( I’m really not) but I’m interested how you think this could’ve gone worse Our covid response has been a disaster. Corbyn couldn’t have done any worse than this
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 10:09:52 GMT
Some of your posts over the years have been far right, racist filth. Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are. I don't mind you continuing to post, that's entirely up to those who run the site but to chase round the messageboard demanding others be banned like some sort of bizarre arbiter of morality is beyond parody. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself but you clearly have zero shame. "I don't mind you continuing to post" that's big of you "Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are" you are admin aren't you that would explain a lot, have you ever been banned ? Get some dignity man, you and the filthy grass begging for people to be banned is not a good look.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 10:16:05 GMT
"I don't mind you continuing to post" that's big of you "Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are" you are admin aren't you that would explain a lot, have you ever been banned ? Get some dignity man, you and the filthy grass begging for people to be banned is not a good look. BOOM
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 10:17:20 GMT
Our covid response has been a disaster. Corbyn couldn’t have done any worse than this Fortunately we will never know
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Post by mattyd2 on Sept 20, 2020 10:17:42 GMT
"I don't mind you continuing to post" that's big of you "Everyone has seen them, everyone knows what you are" you are admin aren't you that would explain a lot, have you ever been banned ? Get some dignity man, you and the filthy grass begging for people to be banned is not a good look. Just to clarify everyone. The filthy grass he refers to is me. I have sent info to John Cauldwell relating to appalling things Sheikhmomo said about him here on a public board in his home town. If that makes me a filthy grass then so be it. Am I proud of what I have done...HELL YEAH. After years of being on the receiving end if Sheikhs abuse, where he divulged my identity and posted links to my Twitter account for which I got a ton of abuse too good damn right I'll grass on the fool.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 10:18:55 GMT
Get some dignity man, you and the filthy grass begging for people to be banned is not a good look. Just to clarify everyone. The filthy grass he refers to is me. I have sent info to John Cauldwell relating to appalling things Sheikhmomo said about him here on a public board in his home town. If that makes me a filthy grass then so be it. Am I proud of what I have done...HELL YEAH. After years of being on the receiving end if Sheikhs abuse, where he divulged my identity and posted links to my Twitter account for which I got a ton of abuse too good damn right I'll grass on the fool. Get some dignity man.
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Post by mattyd2 on Sept 20, 2020 10:23:03 GMT
Just to clarify everyone. The filthy grass he refers to is me. I have sent info to John Cauldwell relating to appalling things Sheikhmomo said about him here on a public board in his home town. If that makes me a filthy grass then so be it. Am I proud of what I have done...HELL YEAH. After years of being on the receiving end if Sheikhs abuse, where he divulged my identity and posted links to my Twitter account for which I got a ton of abuse too good damn right I'll grass on the fool. Get some dignity man. Says the bloke who refuses to meet when asked...yeah right.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 20, 2020 10:24:23 GMT
If this prat has nothing to say and can only resort to goading other posters is it time for Admin to give him a holiday?...I am a new poster but have followed Sheiks posts and he gets away with murder ...swearing..goading..insulting..#comeonadmin Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field. Curtain Twicher
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 20, 2020 10:27:00 GMT
Admin continually ignore his rule breaking despite it been reported to them not sure what hold he has over them, it may be down to politics but it certainly is not a level playing field. Curtain Twicher What is a twicher ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 10:35:06 GMT
There's nothing boring about being a centrist type, although it's often caricatured as such, especially by the more florid types! In recent times the choice appeared to be between an inept, over-privileged, bumbling Brexit obsessed Bluffer who can't even work out how to stick to his own agreement without breaking the law and a backbench Marxist with an antiSemitism problem and little experience of running anything let alone a country. The centre ground, more or less, strikes me as the sensible place to be, shorn of the extremes of the headbangers at either end and much more likely to find a pragmatic way which works for more people more of the time. I hope this is where Starmer is leading his party. The signs are good so far. What was Labour offering when they were soundly rejected by the electorate in 2010 and 2015 out of interest? And what were the "Marxist" policies of the previous incumbent you were so against? You think the signs are good for Starmer, is that based on his "forensic" performances in PMQ's or something I'm genuinely missing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 10:38:37 GMT
Glad I’m not the only one 😂 That's the tragic thing. I think most people are of the pragmatic, centrist type but the country is going through a period where the headbangers at the extremes seem to hold sway. Hopefully, not for long and the country can get back on track and regain some of the respect and admiration it's undoubtedly pissed up the wall in the last few years. Spoken like a true "centrist" Its a funny old world where bombing the shit out of a country thousands of miles from home makes you a "moderate" and opposing it makes you a "headbanger" Marting Luther King summed it up nicely, if he'd waited for moderates to jump in assist with the civil rights movement black people would still be sitting at the back of the bus.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 10:38:59 GMT
There's nothing boring about being a centrist type, although it's often caricatured as such, especially by the more florid types! In recent times the choice appeared to be between an inept, over-privileged, bumbling Brexit obsessed Bluffer who can't even work out how to stick to his own agreement without breaking the law and a backbench Marxist with an antiSemitism problem and little experience of running anything let alone a country. The centre ground, more or less, strikes me as the sensible place to be, shorn of the extremes of the headbangers at either end and much more likely to find a pragmatic way which works for more people more of the time. I hope this is where Starmer is leading his party. The signs are good so far. What was Labour offering when they were soundly rejected by the electorate in 2010 and 2015 out of interest? And what were the "Marxist" policies of the previous incumbent you were so against? You think the signs are good for Starmer, is that based on his "forensic" performances in PMQ's or something I'm genuinely missing? There was certainly nothing in his performance on Marr this morning that could give anyone with an inkling of socialism in their bones any hope for the future.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 20, 2020 11:24:45 GMT
Our covid response has been a disaster. Corbyn couldn’t have done any worse than this Fortunately we will never know You see you can’t even answer how this could possibly be worse under a different government. The problem with Johnson he’s always been obsessed with power without any idea what to do with it. His incompetence has costed countless lives and livelihoods
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 20, 2020 11:26:27 GMT
That's the tragic thing. I think most people are of the pragmatic, centrist type but the country is going through a period where the headbangers at the extremes seem to hold sway. Hopefully, not for long and the country can get back on track and regain some of the respect and admiration it's undoubtedly pissed up the wall in the last few years. Spoken like a true "centrist" Its a funny old world where bombing the shit out of a country thousands of miles from home makes you a "moderate" and opposing it makes you a "headbanger" Marting Luther King summed it up nicely, if he'd waited for moderates to jump in assist with the civil rights movement black people would still be sitting at the back of the bus..... You can be centrist and still care deeply about social issues
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2020 12:32:03 GMT
Perhaps you're right, prestwich.
Perhaps it'll take several more governments of "centrists" or right-wing Conservatism before enough people wake up to realise that neither is working for the UK?
Personally, I don't see it because, as I've said before, England is a pretty right-wing country these days; the press is ranged almost completely against any kind of left-wing approach (which it will label as Marxism at any opportunity); and, given the option, the country has just overwhelmingly rejected what you're after.
Based on that, and given that we need a government of some description, I'd rather have the least worst option in power, than a fantastic opposition which never gets the chance to implement anything.
It's also perfectly reasonable to be a "centrist" and enjoy improvements in education and healthcare while, at the same time, condemn social inequality and "bombing the shit out of countries thousands of miles from home". Wanting a pragmatic, competent and effective government which works for most of the people most of the time doesn't mean you agree with everything it does nor feel the need to blindly defend it at all times.
I do think the signs are good for Starmer so far, if you're looking at his chances of being elected, which are borne out by his performance ratings and the subsequent rise in electability of the Labour party, if polls are to be relied upon. As I said before, we'll have to wait and see whether that lasts. Lots of context will need to be borne in mind: Brexit, the ongoing competence or otherwise of the government, whether the Bluffer stays as PM, deeper scrutiny of Labour policy etc etc.
But so far he's taken a party which was 26% behind in the polls in the first poll after his appointment to one which is now tied or thereabouts, and with better personal approval ratings than the Bluffer and rated as a better choice for PM. By anyone's criteria, those are good signs for him and the party.
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 13:05:05 GMT
NEW LEADERSHIP? Not very original is it after Bliars NEW LABOUR
Back to Blairism for the boys in red...I bet momentum aren't happy about this direction.
Why not SAY NOTHING AND SIT ON THE FENCE
Fits in with his appearance on Andy Marr show perfectly.
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 13:26:23 GMT
Just to clarify everyone. The filthy grass he refers to is me. I have sent info to John Cauldwell relating to appalling things Sheikhmomo said about him here on a public board in his home town. If that makes me a filthy grass then so be it. Am I proud of what I have done...HELL YEAH. After years of being on the receiving end if Sheikhs abuse, where he divulged my identity and posted links to my Twitter account for which I got a ton of abuse too good damn right I'll grass on the fool. Get some dignity man. You really are a tool I thought the Caudwell post got taken down quickly. You are even becoming an embarrassment to Admin. .They won't protect you for ever
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 13:28:27 GMT
You really are a tool I thought the Caudwell post got taken down quickly. You are even becoming an embarrassment to Admin. .They won't protect you for ever Logged into the right account this time 'fella'. 😁 How do you get away with it?
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