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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 23, 2020 5:59:09 GMT
Not much in the way of subtlety or variety!
But when it came to carrying threat and menace they possessed it in superabundance.
Holdings graceful,effortless hostility was always a highlight for me.
Were the later WI's incarnations (Marshall,Bishop,Ambrose;Walsh et al,) just as good?
The prime years McGrath/Warne era axis of the Aussies must come very close?
Or maybe Pakistan's Wasim/Waqar/Imran/Qadir quartet,albeit appearing together briefly,pips them?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 23, 2020 7:46:07 GMT
Not much in the way of subtlety or variety! But when it came to carrying threat and menace they possessed it in superabundance. Holdings graceful,effortless hostility was always a highlight for me. Were the later WI's incarnations (Marshall,Bishop,Ambrose;Walsh et al,) just as good? The prime years McGrath/Warne era axis of the Aussies must come very close? Or maybe Pakistan's Wasim/Waqar/Imran/Qadir quartet,albeit appearing together briefly,pips them? If my mother was at the other end she'd be a target made me smile |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 23, 2020 9:37:43 GMT
Warne/McGrath for me. Backed up by a prime Gillespie and Lee.
The strongest test match attack in terms of brain, braun, pace and magic.
I love the old footage of Holding running in like a deer springing through the open forests of Scotland but pure pace on it's own I can find a bit tedious.
If we were putting together the all time 4 man attack.
McGrath - Seam
Holding - Pace
Anderson - Swing
Warne - Spin
Test matches over in 3 days.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 23, 2020 10:11:19 GMT
Although you could boil a kettle in between Bob Willis' deliveries he was something to watch.
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Post by hoffgreen on Mar 23, 2020 10:13:48 GMT
Should have got a VC for bravery under enemy fire.
Holding was poetry in motion and so were Thommo and Lillee
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 23, 2020 10:30:42 GMT
Should have got a VC for bravery under enemy fire. Holding was poetry in motion and so were Thommo and Lillee Prime Lillee was a thing to behold,his achievements were incredible.Staggering to think he had a serious back injury and had to remodel his action. Hadlee was another colossal performer,practically carrying the NZ attack on his own. |
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Post by yeokel on Mar 23, 2020 10:33:56 GMT
Sir Francis Drake?  Sir Francis Drake just before bowling over the Spanish Armada. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 23, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
Ambrose and Walsh were quite a sight to see also, was (un)lucky enough to watch them bowl us out in half a day when I was kid.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 23, 2020 12:27:22 GMT
Grew up watching Northants in the seventies and the two bowlers that spring to mind are
Safraz nawaz who was one of the first great swing bowlers
And bishan bedi the Indian spinner who would tie a end up plus you could always have a gamble in the interval what colour head covering he'd come out In
And early in the seventies ot to see the great Colin Milburn now he could hit a ball
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 12:43:56 GMT
Warne/McGrath for me. Backed up by a prime Gillespie and Lee. The strongest test match attack in terms of brain, braun, pace and magic. I love the old footage of Holding running in like a deer springing through the open forests of Scotland but pure pace on it's own I can find a bit tedious. If we were putting together the all time 4 man attack. McGrath - Seam Holding - Pace Anderson - Swing Warne - Spin Test matches over in 3 days. If you are not putting M D Marshall into any team that is picked you might need to think again, pace and swing in any conditions, he took 33 wickets in a test series in India. Whatever statistic you look at he is the best of all time. www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20587744/mike-selvey-malcolm-marshall |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 23, 2020 12:47:58 GMT
Warne/McGrath for me. Backed up by a prime Gillespie and Lee. The strongest test match attack in terms of brain, braun, pace and magic. I love the old footage of Holding running in like a deer springing through the open forests of Scotland but pure pace on it's own I can find a bit tedious. If we were putting together the all time 4 man attack. McGrath - Seam Holding - Pace Anderson - Swing Warne - Spin Test matches over in 3 days. If you are not putting M D Marshall into any team that is picked you might need to think again, pace and swing in any conditions, he took 33 wickets in a test series in India. Whatever statistic you look at he is the best of all time. www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20587744/mike-selvey-malcolm-marshallNope I'm not. My team. My rules. You can still pick him though 😄 |
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Post by deadwait on Mar 23, 2020 12:49:19 GMT
Trueman and Statham were formidable in their time.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 23, 2020 12:51:40 GMT
Warne/McGrath for me. Backed up by a prime Gillespie and Lee. The strongest test match attack in terms of brain, braun, pace and magic. I love the old footage of Holding running in like a deer springing through the open forests of Scotland but pure pace on it's own I can find a bit tedious. If we were putting together the all time 4 man attack. McGrath - Seam Holding - Pace Anderson - Swing Warne - Spin Test matches over in 3 days. If you are not putting M D Marshall into any team that is picked you might need to think again, pace and swing in any conditions, he took 33 wickets in a test series in India. Whatever statistic you look at he is the best of all time. www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20587744/mike-selvey-malcolm-marshallThat attack of Marshall,Patterson,Ambrose and Walsh has to be right up their in the pantheon of greats. Marshall was a very clever bowler too,not just sustainedly hostile,he new how to utilize the conditions. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 23, 2020 13:01:46 GMT
From the days when they said all you had to do was go to Nottingham and whistle,and a fast bowler would pop up from the pits.
The magnificent Harold Larwood:
Bowled in conjunction with Bill Voce,but it was Larwood's relentless accuracy and speed that truly made Leg theory work.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 13:48:46 GMT
That attack of Marshall,Patterson,Ambrose and Walsh has to be right up their in the pantheon of greats. Marshall was a very clever bowler too,not just sustainedly hostile,he new how to utilize the conditions. Yep for a while Patterson was by far the quickest bowler in the world saw alot of him at Lancashire who also had Akram too. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 23, 2020 13:59:17 GMT
Before I even opened it the thought “WIndies” was there.
Dickie Bird christened him with the nickname. The story I heard was they had nicknamed Marshall ‘death’ and someone said ‘if Marshall is death, what is Holding?”
All apologies to cricinfo for the following.
It began intimidatingly far away.
He turned and began the most elegant long striding run of them all, feet kissing the turf silently, his head turning gently and ever so slightly from side to side, rhythmically, like that of a cobra hypnotizing it’s prey.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 14:02:15 GMT
From the days when they said all you had to do was go to Nottingham and whistle,and a fast bowler would pop up from the pits. The magnificent Harold Larwood: Bowled in conjunction with Bill Voce,but it was Larwood's relentless accuracy and speed that truly made Leg theory work. Time to dig the bodyline dvd out of storage thats one day of isolation filled  There is also a great book the bodyline hypocrisy if you are interested in this era, breaks a few myths and shows what a rough deal Larwood got. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 23, 2020 14:05:58 GMT
From the days when they said all you had to do was go to Nottingham and whistle,and a fast bowler would pop up from the pits. The magnificent Harold Larwood: Bowled in conjunction with Bill Voce,but it was Larwood's relentless accuracy and speed that truly made Leg theory work. Time to dig the bodyline dvd out of storage thats one day of isolation filled There is also a great book the bodyline hypocrisy if you are interested in this era, breaks a few myths and shows what a rough deal Larwood got. Bodyline was so controversial it was declared a national/diplomatic incident in Australia? Larwood tho' reviled at the time,returned to Australia as one of the 'ten pound poms' years later. Just from his run and glorious action you know it's coming out of his hand at a rate of knots. |
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Post by crowey on Mar 23, 2020 14:33:31 GMT
.... sheer pace & intimidation I don’t think you can go beyond DKL & Tommo, much as I love all the Windies boys, especially Michael Holding being a Derbyshire supporter
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 16:59:28 GMT
Time to dig the bodyline dvd out of storage thats one day of isolation filled There is also a great book the bodyline hypocrisy if you are interested in this era, breaks a few myths and shows what a rough deal Larwood got. Bodyline was so controversial it was declared a national/diplomatic incident in Australia? Larwood tho' reviled at the time,returned to Australia as one of the 'ten pound poms' years later. Just from his run and glorious action you know it's coming out of his hand at a rate of knots. Yes the aussies sent a telegram to the MCC and possibly the Queen complaining Larwood was bowling too fast and Don couldnt hit it, still get hours of phone off that with all my Aussie mates, along with jokes about the Queen sacking their PM  From memory one of the myths of leg theory was the english used it a lot but in truth that wasnt the case. |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 24, 2020 14:05:59 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 24, 2020 17:22:09 GMT
The West Indies were good but I would still go for the Australian attack of Lillee and Thompson, backed up by Merv Hughes.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 24, 2020 17:52:14 GMT
Bodyline was so controversial it was declared a national/diplomatic incident in Australia? Larwood tho' reviled at the time,returned to Australia as one of the 'ten pound poms' years later. Just from his run and glorious action you know it's coming out of his hand at a rate of knots. Yes the aussies sent a telegram to the MCC and possibly the Queen complaining Larwood was bowling too fast and Don couldnt hit it, still get hours of phone off that with all my Aussie mates, along with jokes about the Queen sacking their PM From memory one of the myths of leg theory was the english used it a lot but in truth that wasnt the case. I heard a great story about Harold Larwood from the early 1930's. Cricketers, although famous, weren't necessarily recognisable, unless you had seen them play, or perhaps collected sporting cigarette cards. Harold Larwood went on holiday for a short break and stayed at a pub in a small village in Devon. He was using an assumed name and was clearly hoping for a quiet time. The pub landlord became aware of who his guest actually was and perhaps Larwood let it slip. The Landlord saw a great opportunity, as the village cricket team were playing their great local rivals that coming weekend, and he invited Larwood to play "incognito". On the day of the match Larwoods team were fielding and he came on to bowl a few overs and was up against a fairly good opening batsman. The umpire behind the stumps was from the opposition village and had already shown some alleged bias with some dubious decisions. Larwood sent down a few warm up or loosening balls. In his second over he sent down a fast straight ball and clearly got the batsman Leg Before without argument. But. "No Ball" said the Umpire. Without comment Larwood went back to his mark and ran up again and delivered an outswinger which the batsman edged to slip where it was caught low down. The ball had certainly carried but. "Not Out" said the Umpire. Again Larwood turned away without speaking to the umpire and when he bowled the last ball of his over he sent down a faster delivery which clean bowled his opponent, middle stump, with the wicket's centre peg catapulted out of its position. Larwood started to walk to his fielding position as the Batsman looked round at his shattered stumps, and as he passed the umpire Larwood simply said to him, perhaps sarcastically, "We nearly got him that time didn't we!" |
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