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Post by Eggybread on Mar 18, 2020 17:54:54 GMT
Liverpool is a great city mate with a huge identity ,London also has some fantastic culture,history,buildings and nightlife and bars. Im afraid SOT lags way behind these my friend. Whilst I appear to have watched a different program to Mr Westland I'm not sure what relevance your post has to his point He's evidently on about crime rates. Just watched the programme...wish I hadn't. All that the officers did was SLAG OFF Stoke on Trent ! I know it isn't a perfect city but I'm sure isn't as bad as they make it ? Have they ever been to Liverpool or London ?
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 18, 2020 18:01:37 GMT
Does London have more problems than Stoke ? I'm quite sure it does ?
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 18, 2020 18:08:16 GMT
Slagging off is not unique to Stoke having been all over the country it's a prerequisite for the job š
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Post by elystokie on Mar 18, 2020 18:13:22 GMT
Eggybread....I wasn't comparing city to city I was merely pointing out that we have far less issues than the bigger cities Elystokie....my main observation was how the officers continually put Stoke on Trent down...it was non stop and quite depressing Anyway we all have different opinions eh I took their comments to be relating to crime and them lacking the resources to do as much as they would wish to about it, I heard lots of positive comments about the people. Given that they probably see the worst of the behaviours of our less considerate/more troublesome residents I took that to be very much a positive. Having had negative experiences with some of her majesties finest in the past at a family and personal level I was pleasantly surprised
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Post by elystokie on Mar 18, 2020 18:27:49 GMT
Whilst I appear to have watched a different program to Mr Westland I'm not sure what relevance your post has to his point He's evidently on about crime rates. Just watched the programme...wish I hadn't. All that the officers did was SLAG OFF Stoke on Trent ! I know it isn't a perfect city but I'm sure isn't as bad as they make it ? Have they ever been to Liverpool or London ? "Eggybread I wasn't comparing city to city I was merely pointing out that we have far less issues than the bigger cities" "Does London have more problems than Stoke? I'm quite sure it does ?"
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 18, 2020 18:56:33 GMT
Just watched the programme...wish I hadn't. All that the officers did was SLAG OFF Stoke on Trent ! I know it isn't a perfect city but I'm sure isn't as bad as they make it ? Have they ever been to Liverpool or London ? "Eggybread I wasn't comparing city to city I was merely pointing out that we have far less issues than the bigger cities" "Does London have more problems than Stoke? I'm quite sure it does ?" Same kinds of crimes just on a smaller scale as per population. We have around 2000 cops london has many times that not sure but with the City of London and Met I'll guess at about 35k or so but they dont deal with a lot of "low level" crime its recorded and closed. Most if not all forces do this to a degree so minor thefts etc are not investigated at all in person just on the phone or online to obtain details.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 0:17:00 GMT
Just watched the programme...wish I hadn't. All that the officers did was slag off Stoke on Trent ! I know it isn't a perfect city but I'm sure isn't as bad as they make it ? Have they ever been to Liverpool or London ? The officers all seemed so fed up and disalusioned with their job...if it's so bad they could leave but I'm sure they all want to hang onto their Police pension. I'll watch it again next week and hope for less doom and gloom. How odd, just watched it and thought they all loved the City and its people but were appalled by what the vindictive, vicious and targeted cuts have made it become. One things for sure the true cost of austerity and its cuts to law enforcement and social support are only just beginning to be revealed. The true scale of the impact of austerity, the depression, the social disorder, the lack of support, the misery and ultimately loss of life is only in its early stages
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Post by misterj on Mar 20, 2020 18:07:40 GMT
Thought generally the coppers came across quite well, professional but also compassionate. Canāt imagine many people in society would gladly swap places with them, the city looked as if its really struggling sadly - on a sliding scale downwards due to redundancies, austerity, the virus etc etc Strange times, desperate times, frightening.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 20, 2020 20:47:50 GMT
"Eggybread I wasn't comparing city to city I was merely pointing out that we have far less issues than the bigger cities" "Does London have more problems than Stoke? I'm quite sure it does ?" Same kinds of crimes just on a smaller scale as per population. We have around 2000 cops london has many times that not sure but with the City of London and Met I'll guess at about 35k or so but they dont deal with a lot of "low level" crime its recorded and closed. Most if not all forces do this to a degree so minor thefts etc are not investigated at all in person just on the phone or online to obtain details. Is that 2000 in North Staffs?
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 20, 2020 20:50:14 GMT
Same kinds of crimes just on a smaller scale as per population. We have around 2000 cops london has many times that not sure but with the City of London and Met I'll guess at about 35k or so but they dont deal with a lot of "low level" crime its recorded and closed. Most if not all forces do this to a degree so minor thefts etc are not investigated at all in person just on the phone or online to obtain details. Is that 2000 in North Staffs? Lol no 2000 in the county minus holidays, sick leave, courses, CID and permanent injured in offices etc at any one time there is about a hundred on duty covering the whole county if they are lucky.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 20, 2020 20:52:00 GMT
Is that 2000 in North Staffs? Lol no 2000 in the county minus holidays, sick leave, courses, CID and permanent injured in offices etc at any one time there is about a hundred on duty covering the whole county if they are lucky. Ah right, ta.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 20, 2020 21:00:47 GMT
Lol no 2000 in the county minus holidays, sick leave, courses, CID and permanent injured in offices etc at any one time there is about a hundred on duty covering the whole county if they are lucky. Ah right, ta. Uniformed cop around 6-7 hundred covering 5 shifts minus extractions. 100 on days 100noons 100 nights 200 on days off or around that number. So you can see why they will struggle to police any extra responsibility. Given the national situation mutual aid is probably out of the question. There is MACA but they cant Police they can stand outside number 10 transport prisoners and work in custody serving foods, but they cant go and respond to domestics or crime we are a police state policing with the concent of the public. Extra ordinary circumstances and a brave man to call martial law to allow military to police the streets. I cant ever see any pm doing that unless we are under terrorist attack. This 20k troops will be medics, transport not cops.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 23:06:31 GMT
Mmmm. That painted a pretty grim picture. Nothing to deny or argue with though. Hopefully future episodes might show some positive stuff about our home town.
The state of Hanley police station though ...... i wouldn't imagine that many employees would tolerate those conditions ..
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Post by lordb on Mar 21, 2020 23:17:12 GMT
I have to say tho mate, generally speaking they did the city and their profession proud in my eyes, came across very well I thought. They did pal now knowing it as I do I know they have been chosen very carefully, I know the insp who was showing people around the fire station very well we joined around the same time. And I can tell you 100% hes a top bloke, my issue is with the chief Morgan. He was the worst Chief I've ever seen in Staffs he single handedly undermined the moral across the whole county virtually over night. When I first joined John Giffard was the gaffer. On my first day at HQ he came in a spoke to us and I shit you not he knew our names and took an interest. He would come over and talk to you while outside having a fag at lunch time no bullshit no PC bollocks just chat. Now Morgans idea was create "policy" to guide cops. And this is the issue cops are governed by law and legislation not policy. So you act under the law and fall fowl of policy he has a policy for everything. So you dont break the law or commit a crime but you're investigated and disciplined under policy. You have dumb cops who fuck up but imho you train them to get it right but Staffs increased policy for everyone throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But who checks policy your Sgt, then another Sgt then an inspector then the auditors and guess what you get different opinions and get shit on. I never saw my insp other than parade and my Sgt a bit more. Now when I left I had at least 3 Sgts and 2 Insp checking my work daily and telling me how to work. I used discretion and common sense but that contradicts policy. So you lose that ability and become a robot no compassion and work covering your arse daily and it becomes a grind. I started at Hanley with 5 on my shirt they changed the way they worked and amalgamated so my shift rose to 21. No extra cops just " bigger" area of responsibility. The issue was I knew my thieves, druggies etc on my patch. Now all of a sudden I was in uncharted areas and I was lost and had no clue who the burglar could be. We did object prior to change but we were ignored. Guess what they changed again a few years later ti get community policing back which they had dismantled in the first place. Over 1 million pound was spunked up the wall with body armour and who took the blame no fucker despite " us" telling them the issues. Morgan has increased the burden is anonymous and has now fucked off to the College of Policing leaving his bestie to crack on jobs for the boys. When I left my shift was 12 and a quarter were medicated for depression including myself and I still am. Take a look at the latest poll and moral is fucked. I loved the job but hated the pricks running it, my Sgt was my boss and I ran through brick walls for him gladly the others can fuck themselves. One of the best cops in Stoke has been suspended for 12 months now, the top cop in Tunstall because of a vendetta from HQ and it stinks. Rant over š¤¬ Very good rant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 23:25:22 GMT
The surprising thing about animosity between police and fire service is very true, I knew about that years ago. If a police car passes an ambulance, they wave to each other. That doesn't happen between police and fire. Strange.
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 22, 2020 0:43:53 GMT
The surprising thing about animosity between police and fire service is very true, I knew about that years ago. If a police car passes an ambulance, they wave to each other. That doesn't happen between police and fire. Strange. It goes back to the previous fire brigade strikes where the police were perceived as helping the army Green Godessā with liaison officers.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 22, 2020 8:14:42 GMT
Watched this on catch up the other night.
Absolutely depressing as fuck.
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