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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 3, 2020 11:19:57 GMT
Yesterday it was confirmed what we have all known that Black and Minority Ethnic population have been hit proportionally the hardest. This morning it’s being reported that BME have proportionally the highest number of fines for breaking lock down rules. Am I being stupid here but there must be some correlation between the 2 sets of statistics. I’m not suggesting that it’s the only reason for high infection rates amongst BME but it must contribute to the overall statistics. In answer to the central question of your post, it's quite possible you are being stupid yes. It wouldn't be the first time you'd posted something stupid, and perhaps more tellingly, it's been liked by carps - never a great indicator of an intelligent, thought-out post
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Post by stokeson on Jun 3, 2020 11:21:19 GMT
So, Boris held a party or something for his wench a few days before everyone was urged to stop doing such things. And your point is? (Except that you don't seem to be able to make comments of your own) And, WTF is a “baby shower”? WTF is a "baby shower" .Better ask Boris .Hes had 4/5/6/7/8:-------
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 3, 2020 11:24:49 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 3, 2020 11:25:52 GMT
So, Boris held a party or something for his wench a few days before everyone was urged to stop doing such things. And your point is? (Except that you don't seem to be able to make comments of your own) And, WTF is a “baby shower”? The point is you don't see the irony.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 3, 2020 11:27:54 GMT
just watched pmqs borris was shown up for the lying fool that he is !!
tried to say kier hadn't offered support when kier wrote to him in private and guess what he refused to reply to him !!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 3, 2020 11:28:39 GMT
Anyway, Johnson yet again getting his arse handed back on a plate here...he really is awful.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 3, 2020 11:30:27 GMT
So, Boris held a party or something for his wench a few days before everyone was urged to stop doing such things. And your point is? (Except that you don't seem to be able to make comments of your own) And, WTF is a “baby shower”? The point is you don't see the irony. Thanks for replying. I wish you would type more, and post fewer tweets and then a debate or argument can be held. And you are right, I don't see the irony. If he'd done it afterwards then there is a 'story'. But this was before, therefore there is no story in my opinion.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 3, 2020 11:30:45 GMT
I have no idea why, but I can't see half the links posted on The Oatie. Is it because I use a PC and most use a phone? I'm baffled. BTW, where Boris gone to again? Has the lying bastard gone back into his fridge or is he taking time off to shag his new wench? OS. The main problem is the Twitter embeds, if you've got low internet quality or an old PC it causes the embed not to work if it hasn't loaded within a few seconds. I used to have trouble with them in work due to shite Internet speed but we recently changed & moved the router and now they load fine. My PC is an old one but my download speed is well over 100 mbps. I don't use Twitter or have an account on it. I can't blame it on my browser because it happens with my Firefox which I always use, IE, and also Chrome. I do have Adblocker so maybe that's what's doing it. I'll try turning it off. Turned it off and still no joy. The main culprits seem to be links posted by huddy and crouchietater. I've looked at that cog up the corner and I haven't got a clue what to do with it. Come on guys... I'm in the dark here! OS.
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Post by stokeson on Jun 3, 2020 11:32:40 GMT
just watched pmqs borris was shown up for the lying fool that he is !! tried to say kier hadn't offered support when kier wrote to him in private and guess what he refused to reply to him !! Bluster and gahhff thoughout. When questioned about the numbers had none to hand. On track and trace he talked about hitting 200,000 tests (a lie) when the real number was 1749 in 4 days (a Disgrace.)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 3, 2020 11:35:06 GMT
I mean there's no denying, regardless of what political side of the fence we are on, politicians are pretty weird by nature. You've got comrade Jezza having affairs and shagging big Diane Abbott in his free time and Boris getting girls 25 years younger than him preggerz for fun. Meanwhile far left privileged white elite are damaging the very black communities they claim to want to protect through hostile protests, while also resenting their own race, plastering anti white propaganda over social media. To top it off we've got the most chaotic global pandemic in history, Trump or an 80 year old with Dementia (you ain't black if you don't vote for him) running the most powerful state in the world and China trying to take over the planet. Literally the world has gone well and truly barmy.
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Post by stokeson on Jun 3, 2020 11:39:04 GMT
I mean there's no denying, regardless of what political side of the fence we are on, politicians are pretty weird by nature. You've got comrade Jezza having affairs and shagging big Diane Abbott in his free time and Boris getting girls 25 years younger than him preggerz for fun. Meanwhile far left privileged white elite are damaging the very black communities they claim to want to protect through hostile protests, while also resenting their own race, plastering anti white propaganda over social media. To top it off we've got the most chaotic global pandemic in history, Trump or an 80 year old with Dimentia (you ain't black if you don't vote for him) running the most powerful state in the world and China trying to take over the planet. Literally the world has gone well and truly barmy. Mate. Dont drink before lunchtime.............
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 3, 2020 11:40:44 GMT
You can't go around stating the blatantly obvious you are forgetting these people are not white you bigoted racist ;) . Glad to hear that there is the prospect of some intelligent enquiry going on here to establish possible REASONS (its always good to consider that there may be more than 1!!!) that may contribute towards higher rates of infection amongst BAME communiities. I'm trying to learn more about this myself having relatives are who understandably concerned about their health prospects. Other contributory factors could be 1/ Inadequate housingMany experts suspect that poverty plays a significant role in the trend – in the UK, it's an uncomfortable truth that people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be of low socioeconomic status. NHS GP Dr Gero Baiarda explains how living in poverty – specifically living in inadequate housing in densely populated, urban areas – creates conditions where the virus can be contracted more easily. 'Fifteen percent of Black African and 30% of Bangladeshi families live in overcrowded housing, compared to only 2% of the White British population according to government figures. Effective isolation is therefore extremely difficult.' 2/ Working in high-risk jobsRelatedly, people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be working in the jobs that are currently keeping society going. Over 18% of the doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners, transport and catering staff who sustain the NHS in this time of crisis are from black and Asian backgrounds. Working day-to-day with critically ill patients, and in many cases with reportedly inadequate protective equipment, makes these workers more likely to be exposed to the virus. NHS GP Dr Adwoa Danso explains that not only are BAME individuals disproportionately represented among NHS staff, but they’re also more likely to work lower down the ranks. This only increases the risks they face: 'BAME individuals within the NHS are less likely to be promoted compared with their white counterparts [per a 2015 NHS equality analysis.] BAME communities are also largely responsible for keeping things moving on our roads and rails. In London specifically, over 25% of transport workers currently operating our buses and tubes are from BAME backgrounds. Dr Baiarda explains: 'They have done an invaluable job in keeping the capital moving during the pandemic, but in so doing, have been potentially exposed daily to COVID-19 carried by infected but asymptomatic commuters.' People in this demographic are also over-represented in things like shop and care work. These are roles that, of course, cannot be done from home, requiring people to be out and about in society and dealing with potential exposure to the virus. 3/ Vitamin D deficiencyA newer theory that has emerged in recent weeks surrounds vitamin D, also known as the 'sunshine vitamin'. Generated from sunlight exposure, vitamin D is crucial to the immune system, as well as healthy muscles, bones and teeth. BAME communities are prone to vitamin D deficiency, because higher levels of melanin in the skin lead to lower levels of vitamin D absorption. This is only exacerbated in colder countries like the UK, which see less sunlight. He believes that there may be a connection between lower levels of the vitamin in BAME communities and higher levels of COVID-19 cases. Good opportunity to learn more if we are going to comment on the subject methinks! Cue: a photo of a black person with a big house/and group of black people standing near each other no doubt!! Just about to post a very similar response but less well researched. The only thing I'd add is it might interesting for the oatcake study on this to take into account non covid era stop a search/ conviction stats to see if the higher ticketing percentage is defintely as a result of greater rule breaking or maybe another factor of profiling. A glance at the 18/ 19 s and s data makes interesting reading. White people were stopped at a rate of 4/1000 Black people were stopped at a rate of 38/1000
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Post by elystokie on Jun 3, 2020 11:42:01 GMT
Weather is shit cant believe boris and Cummins have allowed it to rain. I think it'll be a while before anyone will believe Boris is part of any decision making process.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 3, 2020 11:42:31 GMT
just watched pmqs borris was shown up for the lying fool that he is !! tried to say kier hadn't offered support when kier wrote to him in private and guess what he refused to reply to him !! Boris turned round and said he hadn't written back Because he phoned him and had a lengthy conversation Kier's face was a picture when it was revealed about the phone call This country is undergoing one of its biggest crisis since the second World War Does the opposition hold the government to account No it spends the whole of question Time shoring up its core vote by virtue signaling all the way through
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 3, 2020 11:44:00 GMT
wtf happened to social distancing? since that mop-haired idiot let the dogs out it's almost disappeared
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 3, 2020 11:53:50 GMT
You can't go around stating the blatantly obvious you are forgetting these people are not white you bigoted racist . Can I ask then...Do you believe that the Black and Ethnic Minority communities are hardest hit by Coronavirus because they are the ones most likely to have broken lockdown and social distancing guidelines, as evidenced by the fact that they have proportionally received the highest number of fines for breaking lockdown rules? Not on it's own obviously however it could well be a contributing factor, or is that to rational ?, in a similar way to the "protesters" who crammed into Trafalgar square last weekend were endangering their and other peoples lives, the lockdown rules were implemented for a reason !
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 3, 2020 12:00:35 GMT
You can't go around stating the blatantly obvious you are forgetting these people are not white you bigoted racist . Glad to hear that there is the prospect of some intelligent enquiry going on here to establish possible REASONS (its always good to consider that there may be more than 1!!!) that may contribute towards higher rates of infection amongst BAME communiities. I'm trying to learn more about this myself having relatives are who understandably concerned about their health prospects. Other contributory factors could be 1/ Inadequate housingMany experts suspect that poverty plays a significant role in the trend – in the UK, it's an uncomfortable truth that people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be of low socioeconomic status. NHS GP Dr Gero Baiarda explains how living in poverty – specifically living in inadequate housing in densely populated, urban areas – creates conditions where the virus can be contracted more easily. 'Fifteen percent of Black African and 30% of Bangladeshi families live in overcrowded housing, compared to only 2% of the White British population according to government figures. Effective isolation is therefore extremely difficult.' 2/ Working in high-risk jobsRelatedly, people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be working in the jobs that are currently keeping society going. Over 18% of the doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners, transport and catering staff who sustain the NHS in this time of crisis are from black and Asian backgrounds. Working day-to-day with critically ill patients, and in many cases with reportedly inadequate protective equipment, makes these workers more likely to be exposed to the virus. NHS GP Dr Adwoa Danso explains that not only are BAME individuals disproportionately represented among NHS staff, but they’re also more likely to work lower down the ranks. This only increases the risks they face: 'BAME individuals within the NHS are less likely to be promoted compared with their white counterparts [per a 2015 NHS equality analysis.] BAME communities are also largely responsible for keeping things moving on our roads and rails. In London specifically, over 25% of transport workers currently operating our buses and tubes are from BAME backgrounds. Dr Baiarda explains: 'They have done an invaluable job in keeping the capital moving during the pandemic, but in so doing, have been potentially exposed daily to COVID-19 carried by infected but asymptomatic commuters.' People in this demographic are also over-represented in things like shop and care work. These are roles that, of course, cannot be done from home, requiring people to be out and about in society and dealing with potential exposure to the virus. 3/ Vitamin D deficiencyA newer theory that has emerged in recent weeks surrounds vitamin D, also known as the 'sunshine vitamin'. Generated from sunlight exposure, vitamin D is crucial to the immune system, as well as healthy muscles, bones and teeth. BAME communities are prone to vitamin D deficiency, because higher levels of melanin in the skin lead to lower levels of vitamin D absorption. This is only exacerbated in colder countries like the UK, which see less sunlight. He believes that there may be a connection between lower levels of the vitamin in BAME communities and higher levels of COVID-19 cases. Good opportunity to learn more if we are going to comment on the subject methinks! Cue: a photo of a black person with a big house/and group of black people standing near each other no doubt!! Well done I am not denying the contributing factors you have posted, however breaking the lockdown rules are surely a contributing or doesn't that fit the agenda ? plenty of pictorial evidence to back up the lack of social distancing are available.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 3, 2020 12:03:28 GMT
Glad to hear that there is the prospect of some intelligent enquiry going on here to establish possible REASONS (its always good to consider that there may be more than 1!!!) that may contribute towards higher rates of infection amongst BAME communiities. I'm trying to learn more about this myself having relatives are who understandably concerned about their health prospects. Other contributory factors could be 1/ Inadequate housingMany experts suspect that poverty plays a significant role in the trend – in the UK, it's an uncomfortable truth that people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be of low socioeconomic status. NHS GP Dr Gero Baiarda explains how living in poverty – specifically living in inadequate housing in densely populated, urban areas – creates conditions where the virus can be contracted more easily. 'Fifteen percent of Black African and 30% of Bangladeshi families live in overcrowded housing, compared to only 2% of the White British population according to government figures. Effective isolation is therefore extremely difficult.' 2/ Working in high-risk jobsRelatedly, people from BAME backgrounds are more likely to be working in the jobs that are currently keeping society going. Over 18% of the doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners, transport and catering staff who sustain the NHS in this time of crisis are from black and Asian backgrounds. Working day-to-day with critically ill patients, and in many cases with reportedly inadequate protective equipment, makes these workers more likely to be exposed to the virus. NHS GP Dr Adwoa Danso explains that not only are BAME individuals disproportionately represented among NHS staff, but they’re also more likely to work lower down the ranks. This only increases the risks they face: 'BAME individuals within the NHS are less likely to be promoted compared with their white counterparts [per a 2015 NHS equality analysis.] BAME communities are also largely responsible for keeping things moving on our roads and rails. In London specifically, over 25% of transport workers currently operating our buses and tubes are from BAME backgrounds. Dr Baiarda explains: 'They have done an invaluable job in keeping the capital moving during the pandemic, but in so doing, have been potentially exposed daily to COVID-19 carried by infected but asymptomatic commuters.' People in this demographic are also over-represented in things like shop and care work. These are roles that, of course, cannot be done from home, requiring people to be out and about in society and dealing with potential exposure to the virus. 3/ Vitamin D deficiencyA newer theory that has emerged in recent weeks surrounds vitamin D, also known as the 'sunshine vitamin'. Generated from sunlight exposure, vitamin D is crucial to the immune system, as well as healthy muscles, bones and teeth. BAME communities are prone to vitamin D deficiency, because higher levels of melanin in the skin lead to lower levels of vitamin D absorption. This is only exacerbated in colder countries like the UK, which see less sunlight. He believes that there may be a connection between lower levels of the vitamin in BAME communities and higher levels of COVID-19 cases. Good opportunity to learn more if we are going to comment on the subject methinks! Cue: a photo of a black person with a big house/and group of black people standing near each other no doubt!! Well done I am not denying the contributing factors you have posted, however breaking the lockdown rules are surely a contributing or doesn't that fit the agenda ? plenty of pictorial evidence to back up the lack of social distancing are available. Breaking the lockdown rules obviously contributes. Unless your name is Dominic, in that instance you and your family get issued with magic cloaks.
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Post by chad on Jun 3, 2020 12:04:18 GMT
just watched pmqs borris was shown up for the lying fool that he is !! tried to say kier hadn't offered support when kier wrote to him in private and guess what he refused to reply to him !! Bit selective there aren’t you. Boris didn’t reply to the letter because he phoned him up and had a long conversation with him, which Starmer didn’t deny Did you not hear that bit
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 3, 2020 12:07:01 GMT
Well done I am not denying the contributing factors you have posted, however breaking the lockdown rules are surely a contributing or doesn't that fit the agenda ? plenty of pictorial evidence to back up the lack of social distancing are available. Breaking the lockdown rules obviously contributes. Unless your name is Dominic, in that instance you and your family get issued with magic cloaks. Dirty Dom. should have been sacked and charged I totally agree.
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Post by chad on Jun 3, 2020 12:08:34 GMT
wtf happened to social distancing? since that mop-haired idiot let the dogs out it's almost disappeared The rules are still there. The mop haired idiot didn’t tell people to protest in Trafalgar Square or pack the beaches that’s people being stupid. Unfortunately you can’t legislate for that
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 3, 2020 12:11:41 GMT
Is there evidence of this or....
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Post by stokeson on Jun 3, 2020 12:16:33 GMT
wtf happened to social distancing? since that mop-haired idiot let the dogs out it's almost disappeared The rules are still there. The mop haired idiot didn’t tell people to protest in Trafalgar Square or pack the beaches that’s people being stupid. Unfortunately you can’t legislate for that The mop haired idiot seems to have no view on the "black lives matter" (not going to be on a podium near Boris any day soon) movement. Had to be prompted by Starmmer to even mention it.Most of the protesters wore gloves and masks which were not in evidence during the MPs "Mogg Conga"...........
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Post by whakka on Jun 3, 2020 12:19:10 GMT
Weather is shit cant believe boris and Cummins have allowed it to rain. I think it'll be a while before anyone will believe Boris is part of any decision making process. just the people that dont want too.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 3, 2020 12:25:45 GMT
I mean there's no denying, regardless of what political side of the fence we are on, politicians are pretty weird by nature. You've got comrade Jezza having affairs and shagging big Diane Abbott in his free time and Boris getting girls 25 years younger than him preggerz for fun. Meanwhile far left privileged white elite are damaging the very black communities they claim to want to protect through hostile protests, while also resenting their own race, plastering anti white propaganda over social media. To top it off we've got the most chaotic global pandemic in history, Trump or an 80 year old with Dimentia (you ain't black if you don't vote for him) running the most powerful state in the world and China trying to take over the planet. Literally the world has gone well and truly barmy. Mate. Dont drink before lunchtime............. I thought that's what everyone was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 12:27:20 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jun 3, 2020 12:27:53 GMT
Is there evidence of this or.... I am sure Ian Hislop will give chapter and verse on Friday on HIGNFY, it's the last in the series so I am sure they will be laying it on in shovel loads.
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Post by whakka on Jun 3, 2020 12:33:55 GMT
So, Boris held a party or something for his wench a few days before everyone was urged to stop doing such things. And your point is? (Except that you don't seem to be able to make comments of your own) And, WTF is a “baby shower”? The point is you don't see the irony. favourite comeback, it's just as lame as the shite you keep posting.
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Post by chad on Jun 3, 2020 12:35:04 GMT
Is there evidence of this or.... It’s on Twitter. What more do you want
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Post by whakka on Jun 3, 2020 12:35:24 GMT
just watched pmqs borris was shown up for the lying fool that he is !! tried to say kier hadn't offered support when kier wrote to him in private and guess what he refused to reply to him !! really? I thought the complete opposite.
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