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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:02:49 GMT
Do as we say, not as we do.
We are beyond reproach.
Thousands of you lot (scum) fined for breaking rules, but not us. We'll do what the fuck we want. And theres not a thing you can do about it.
We'll show you slides of number of deaths compared to other countries, until it is clear as day we are off the charts worse than every other country, we'll then remove that slide. Because you can't make comparison to other countries, you idiots just don't understand.
Using "guided by the science" to deflect all blame, and profess to be squeaky clean at every step.
Hanging care homes out to dry. Gross negligence leading to thousands needless dying. Then blatantly lie and say they were at the forefront of you action plan from the start. Even when pointed out with factual evidence that proves that is bollocks. Just lie and move on. Apparently that isnt a big deal and it just gets swept under the carpet.
Send schools back without seeking all evidence and expert guidance on what the actual risks are. Well, all schools apart from private schools. Kids of the scum can be risked.
Months after being advised that track and trace was the way to control and stay on top of this virus, still be absolutely nowhere near having a suitable system in place. Instead of doing that, just tell every fucker to "stay alert" and put the emphasis on the public (scum).
This government is the fucking pits.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 23, 2020 11:06:20 GMT
The 'Big Deal' is that the origins of the idea of an NHS were not exclusively from Labour. The foundations of the present NHS were not exclusively from Labour. Every major party was promoting the idea of the NHS it was Labour who cut the ribbon. There was opposition to an NHS from many quarters, GP's being the most powerful and battled Labour to retain their private status, which still continues today. Churches and charities opposed the idea of local hospitals becoming State run. The Conservatives did vote against certain aspects and amendments bearing in mind the 'final' 1946 bill was an amalgamation of previous Acts. The main reason for dissent from the conservatives was the cost. How prophetic. Anyone walking around in 2020 saying the NHS was created by Labour is ill informed or just a bullshitting. Yet another myth believed by the pitiful. File it next to Iain Duncan Smith cheering cuts to benefits. NHSđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤ŁWodger has been home schooling. About time! IDS has the Shitas touch, everything he touches... I think IDS reversing Labour's policy led by Yvette Copper to ban Job Centres issuing food bank vouchers was a pretty good thing. Obviously Labour point at their figures and say less people needed foodbanks when we were in power which is not only a lie but a lie on the back of struggling people who they denied food bank vouchers to. Of course it's sad, almost criminal but not half as sad as those, like you and PP and Momo and Huddy who will go to their graves believing the opposite of what really happened because someone with a red rosette told you so. Sorrowful. "Chris Mould, Executive Chairman of the Trussell Trust the organisation behind the foodbanks network. He said:
In the early days of foodbanks we had local arrangements with Job Centres.
The ban on Department of Work and Pensions staff from issuing vouchers came in just before Christmas in 2008. It meant extra hassle and extra obstacle for those getting help. They could still get hold of vouchers from other places like Citizens Advice Bureaus but it was harder for them.
The reason for the ban given was equity. The DWP said that as there wasn't a foodbank everywhere they wouldn't refer anyone to a foodbank as we didn't have one in every town. On the same basis they stopped giving details of Salvation Army hostels. They also said it wasn't there job to help people as they were an eligibility service not a social service. But they were the ones responsible who made the decisions. They knew if someone's benefit was being delayed.
It was a disagreement we had with the Labour Government. We thought it was just plain good sense to issue a voucher if it was needed. We had a campaign against the ban. It was very, very helpful to us that Iain Duncan Smith lifted the ban even though it was against the wishes of officials in the DWP."
Yvette Cooper should resign
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2020 11:18:48 GMT
'Rishi?' 'Can't hear you Rishi'?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:20:09 GMT
Yes , here we are in the biggest Health crisis in a century and the Government effort is focussed on keeping alive the career of a favoured advisor. Shameful but unsurprising with this lot. I'm glad I stayed at home while self-isolating just so that Cummings had empty roads to drive along. On the 23rd April Cummings missus did an interview with the Mail saying how her Dominic was so ill for 10 days that he couldn't get out of bed as they self isolated in their home in London. Leaving aside the Mail could have made that up then the twat doesn't seem to be beyond getting his wife to do his lying for him. It's so endemic amongst that lot I honestly don't think the fuckers even know when they're lying to themselves anymore - never mind the country.
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Post by butlerstbob on May 23, 2020 11:21:41 GMT
I'm sure it's been said before but this government is full of absolutely massive cunts, isn't it? I don't usually get involved in politics to much Dave, especially on this thread but no matter which side your on, red or blue etc they are All massive cunts. I don't trust a single one of them! And this latest episode with Cummings it is just down right disgusting!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 11:26:47 GMT
Or many a truth is said in jest incoherent ramblings His " ramblings" certainly get a response
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 11:29:35 GMT
Or many a truth is said in jest. You speak like you know him John. An alter ego perhaps?? No , I don't know him, probably engaged with him on here less than most....he certainly does get a response and makes people feel better.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 23, 2020 11:31:13 GMT
Twitter is fucked generally. Cummings currently not trending yet Stephen Kinnock is. Bot diseased cess pit. That's not true, Sheikhster. Currently trending in the top 30 in the UK involving politics... 21 - Ian Blackford. 20 - Mr Raab. 19 - Alistar Campbell. 18 - Sunak. 15 - Stephen Kinnock. 14 - Laura Kuenssberg. 12 - Number 10. 11 - Mr Gove. 07 - Downing Street. 04 - #SackDom 03 - Rishi. 02 - Durham. 01 - #dominicgoings.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:31:40 GMT
I've just been looking through the official advice and all it says is, if you or anybody in your household displays symptoms, then everyone should self isolate.
I'm struggling to find the section where it says "unless you have a kid(s), in which case, travel to elderly relatives, no matter how far away, and seek their assistance".
I'll keep looking.
Potential game changer this. Millions have kids.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:31:48 GMT
His " ramblings" certainly get a response Laughter usually........
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:33:21 GMT
Anyone remember near the start of this when the Scottish medical woman travelled to her second home after advising people not to travel. She rightfully resigned. However, she nor her family had shown any symptoms or knowingly been in contact with anyone with the disease. She did get some support from the Scottish government and she did apologise for ignoring her own advice. (No one here is really defending Cummins are they, just a spot of fishing) If I recall even before she resigned Sturgeon called her out - but said her work was invaluable - and said while she couldn't condone what she'd done she wanted her continued support. As you say Calderwood herself apologised. Have we heard an apology from Cummings and a similar admonishment from Johnson? These fuckers just don't do shame or contrition.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 23, 2020 11:33:55 GMT
Yes , here we are in the biggest Health crisis in a century and the Government effort is focussed on keeping alive the career of a favoured advisor. Shameful but unsurprising with this lot. I'm glad I stayed at home while self-isolating just so that Cummings had empty roads to drive along. On the 23rd April Cummings missus did an interview with the Mail saying how her Dominic was so ill for 10 days that he couldn't get out of bed as they self isolated in their home in London. Leaving aside the Mail could have made that up then the twat doesn't seem to be beyond getting his wife to do his lying for him. It's so endemic amongst that lot I honestly don't think the fuckers even know when they're lying to themselves anymore - never mind the country. The article in question: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249237/Dominic-Cummings-lifts-lid-isolation-wife-young-son-ill-coronavirus.html
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 11:40:17 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing in mind their family lived miles away what should they have done?
It's a genuine question.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2020 11:41:04 GMT
'Rishi?' 'Can't hear you Rishi'? Number 10 Spokesman:"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood he would BECOME unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for." Mary Wakefield (the wife of Cummings):"That evening as I lay on the sofa a happy thought occurred to me. If this was the virus then my husband who works 16 hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine a fortnight in bed with mild symptoms, more fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me, heâs an extremely kind man whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later he said âI feel weirdâ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldnât get out of bed. Day in day out for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe but only in a limited shallow way. After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew? I sat on his bed staring at his chest trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader weâd bought on Amazon indicated he should be in hospital, but his lips werenât blue and he could talk in full sentences. Such as âplease stop staring at my chest sweet heartâ. My son in his doctorâs uniform administered Ribena."
So why is there nothing in her account about a 265 mile car journey and if the entire purpose of the journey was to get his son looked after by somebody else, why was his son administering Ribena to him? internewscast.com/fury-at-dominic-cummings-wife-using-bbc-radio-4s-thought-for-the-day/
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:41:22 GMT
You speak like you know him John. An alter ego perhaps?? No , I don't know him, probably engaged with him on here less than most....he certainly does get a response and makes people feel better. Does he? I liken him to the drunk in a pub who butts in on other people's conversations to start an arguement. Almost any engagement and you wish you hadn't because it was never going to be a rational discussion and if you hit him or shout at him then you're automatically in the wrong. You're best just smiling politely and moving away. An attention seeker at best.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:43:46 GMT
'Rishi?' 'Can't hear you Rishi'? Number 10 Spokesman:"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood he would BECOME unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for." Mary Wakefiled (the wife of Cummings):"That evening as I lay on the sofa a happy thought occurred to me. If this was the virus then my husband who works 16 hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine a fortnight in bed with mild symptoms, more fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me, heâs an extremely kind man whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later he said âI feel weirdâ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldnât get out of bed. Day in day out for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe but only in a limited shallow way. After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew? I sat on his bed staring at his chest trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader weâd bought on Amazon indicated he should be in hospital, but his lips werenât blue and he could talk in full sentences. Such as âplease stop staring at my chest sweet heartâ. My son in his doctorâs uniform administered Ribena."
So why is there nothing in her account about a 265 mile car journey and if the entire purpose of the journey was to get his son looked after by somebody else, why was his son administering Ribena to him? internewscast.com/fury-at-dominic-cummings-wife-using-bbc-radio-4s-thought-for-the-day/I'm going to go out on a limb here Paul and say it's because they're a pair of lying charlatans.....
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:43:56 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing on mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. Leaving his position aside surely if you're genuinely that ill setting out to drive 280 miles with a small child is reckless at best?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:46:45 GMT
On the 23rd April Cummings missus did an interview with the Mail saying how her Dominic was so ill for 10 days that he couldn't get out of bed as they self isolated in their home in London. Leaving aside the Mail could have made that up then the twat doesn't seem to be beyond getting his wife to do his lying for him. It's so endemic amongst that lot I honestly don't think the fuckers even know when they're lying to themselves anymore - never mind the country. The article in question: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249237/Dominic-Cummings-lifts-lid-isolation-wife-young-son-ill-coronavirus.htmlAnd if they genuinely thought that what they did by going to Durham was within the rules (as is their defence now) then why not say so at the time?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 11:47:47 GMT
So now theyâre saying he didnât have it.
This lot are absolutely fucking shameful.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 11:47:51 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing on mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. Leaving his position aside surely if you're genuinely that ill setting out to drive 280 miles with a small child is reckless at best? You've said what he SHOULDN'T do, what SHOULD he have done, nobody seems to have an answer...
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Post by Davef on May 23, 2020 11:51:58 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing in mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. They should've done what every other parent in the country had to do. Was there any Government advice to parents in this situation other than "Stay at Home"? How many single parents have been in this situation?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2020 11:52:08 GMT
So now theyâre saying he didnât have it. This lot are absolutely fucking shameful. Link mate?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 11:52:30 GMT
His " ramblings" certainly get a response Laughter usually........ I don't think that anyone has attempted to answer his point about the origin of the virus and , in this global world, the role of the Chinese government in allowing the conditions to create the virus, trying to cover it up, acting slowly, and not banning flights/ travel out...Good job it didn't happen in the UK , because think that there would be a different response from some on the EE board.....as I say , many a true word said in jest/ laughter.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 23, 2020 11:52:35 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing in mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. stay home and self-isolate and call the doctor if it gets worse. If you need some food or medical supplies delivered then get a friend to drop them at your door. There is literally half a million people who signed up to be volunteer helpers at the governments request. My ex has suspected coronavirus and she just stayed home with the our kids while I dropped food around. Its really not that hard to work out what to do.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 11:54:30 GMT
No , I don't know him, probably engaged with him on here less than most....he certainly does get a response and makes people feel better. Does he? I liken him to the drunk in a pub who butts in on other people's conversations to start an arguement. Almost any engagement and you wish you hadn't because it was never going to be a rational discussion and if you hit him or shout at him then you're automatically in the wrong. You're best just smiling politely and moving away. An attention seeker at best. Unlike the man in the pub, it's really easy not to give him attention on a message board. Sometimes when people are drunk they tell the truth without inhibition.
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Post by henry on May 23, 2020 11:55:25 GMT
'Rishi?' 'Can't hear you Rishi'? Number 10 Spokesman:"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood he would BECOME unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for." Mary Wakefield (the wife of Cummings):"That evening as I lay on the sofa a happy thought occurred to me. If this was the virus then my husband who works 16 hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine a fortnight in bed with mild symptoms, more fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me, heâs an extremely kind man whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later he said âI feel weirdâ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldnât get out of bed. Day in day out for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe but only in a limited shallow way. After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew? I sat on his bed staring at his chest trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader weâd bought on Amazon indicated he should be in hospital, but his lips werenât blue and he could talk in full sentences. Such as âplease stop staring at my chest sweet heartâ. My son in his doctorâs uniform administered Ribena."
So why is there nothing in her account about a 265 mile car journey and if the entire purpose of the journey was to get his son looked after by somebody else, why was his son administering Ribena to him? internewscast.com/fury-at-dominic-cummings-wife-using-bbc-radio-4s-thought-for-the-day/It's all made up, they are all fucking lying.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 11:56:19 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing in mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. They should've done what every other parent in the country had to do. Was there any Government advice to parents in this situation other than "Stay at Home"? How many single parents have been in this situation? You were allowed to leave the house for a medical emergency..
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 11:58:09 GMT
Leaving his position aside surely if you're genuinely that ill setting out to drive 280 miles with a small child is reckless at best? You've said what he SHOULDN'T do, what SHOULD he have done, nobody seems to have an answer... Stay home. If his wife's account in the Mail is to be believed she had it first and then he did. They weren't both ill at the same time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 11:59:02 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 11:59:40 GMT
They should've done what every other parent in the country had to do. Was there any Government advice to parents in this situation other than "Stay at Home"? How many single parents have been in this situation? You were allowed to leave the house for a medical emergency..
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