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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2020 12:00:01 GMT
'Rishi?' 'Can't hear you Rishi'? Number 10 Spokesman:"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood he would BECOME unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for." Mary Wakefield (the wife of Cummings):"That evening as I lay on the sofa a happy thought occurred to me. If this was the virus then my husband who works 16 hour days as a rule, would have to come home. I let myself imagine a fortnight in bed with mild symptoms, more fool me. My husband did rush home to look after me, he’s an extremely kind man whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in day out for ten days he had a high fever, with spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe but only in a limited shallow way. After a week we reached peak corona uncertainty, day six is a turning point I was told, when you either get better or head for ICU. Was Dom fighting off the bug or was he heading for a ventilator, who knew? I sat on his bed staring at his chest trying to count his breaths per minute. The little oxygen reader we’d bought on Amazon indicated he should be in hospital, but his lips weren’t blue and he could talk in full sentences. Such as ‘please stop staring at my chest sweet heart’. My son in his doctor’s uniform administered Ribena."
So why is there nothing in her account about a 265 mile car journey and if the entire purpose of the journey was to get his son looked after by somebody else, why was his son administering Ribena to him? internewscast.com/fury-at-dominic-cummings-wife-using-bbc-radio-4s-thought-for-the-day/There's not only his conduct to consider here but the depth of the Government cover up of it. It will be interesting to see who the lamb to the slaughter is this afternoon because every question will be around this. Even in this day an age where people don't resign for murder, when an advisor becomes the story they have to go. I think he's toast, even with this shameful mob in his corner.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:00:08 GMT
In no way am I trying to defend Cummings here but if both he and his wife were very ill with Coronavirus and not able to look after their children bearing in mind their family lived miles away what should they have done? It's a genuine question. stay home and self-isolate and call the doctor if it gets worse. If you need some food or medical supplies delivered then get a friend to drop them at your door. There is literally half a million people who signed up to be volunteer helpers at the governments request. My ex has suspected coronavirus and she just stayed home with the our kids while I dropped food around. Its really not that hard to work out what to do. The question is what if they thought they were going to be too ill to look after their children though. It's easy to criticise but without a solution...
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2020 12:01:48 GMT
Ambiguous but doesn't say that he didn't go down with it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:02:45 GMT
stay home and self-isolate and call the doctor if it gets worse. If you need some food or medical supplies delivered then get a friend to drop them at your door. There is literally half a million people who signed up to be volunteer helpers at the governments request. My ex has suspected coronavirus and she just stayed home with the our kids while I dropped food around. Its really not that hard to work out what to do. The question is what if they thought they were going to be too ill to look after their children though. It's easy to criticise but without a solution... Call the fucking PM. Or if he was in ICU call someone at Downing Street. He had a load of options. More than me or you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:03:36 GMT
Ambiguous but doesn't say that he didn't go down with it. It implies it though. And if wasn’t ill then it’s a terrible defence anyway.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:04:11 GMT
The question is what if they thought they were going to be too ill to look after their children though. It's easy to criticise but without a solution... Call the fucking PM. Or if he was in ICU call someone at Downing Street. He had a load of options. More than me or you. Do we know he didn't call Raab?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:06:09 GMT
Call the fucking PM. Or if he was in ICU call someone at Downing Street. He had a load of options. More than me or you. Do we know he didn't call Raab? Not a clue. There is not one single acceptable reason they did it though Hackett. Not one.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:07:13 GMT
Do we know he didn't call Raab? Not a clue. There is not one single acceptable reason they did it though Hackett. Not one. So keeping children safe isn't a valid reason...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 23, 2020 12:08:25 GMT
I don't think that anyone has attempted to answer his point about the origin of the virus and , in this global world, the role of the Chinese government in allowing the conditions to create the virus, trying to cover it up, acting slowly, and not banning flights/ travel out...Good job it didn't happen in the UK , because think that there would be a different response from some on the EE board.....as I say , many a true word said in jest/ laughter. John - the British Govt were slow to respond, fiddled the numbers, didn't ban flights in and out etc - a lot of it did happen in the UK. It's just that it didn't start here but we sure helped it take hold Any right minded person - left or right - would like to better understand precisely how this started and help prevent further outbreaks. As only conspiracy theorists believe it was in any way deliberate then that would be best achieved with the co-operation of the Chinese - demonising and isolating them won't help - it just encourages a seige mentality that won't help anyone. Yelling 'Lab or Slab" repeatedly like a demented loon doesn't add anything either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:11:01 GMT
Not a clue. There is not one single acceptable reason they did it though Hackett. Not one. So keeping children safe isn't a valid reason... It goes against the isolation rules. And they were clearly safe. And if they weren’t they had options where they lived.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2020 12:11:12 GMT
The Health Secretary now.
These twats are just a moral free zone, above their own laws. Tossrags.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:14:46 GMT
So keeping children safe isn't a valid reason... It goes against the isolation rules. And they were clearly safe. And if they weren’t they had options where they lived. You were allowed to leave your house for a medical emergency, domestic violence or to keep your children safe. The DCMO said so in one of the briefings.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:15:12 GMT
Wes Streeting just won Twitter for the day.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:15:46 GMT
It goes against the isolation rules. And they were clearly safe. And if they weren’t they had options where they lived. You were allowed to leave your house for a medical emergency, domestic violence or to keep your children safe. The DCMO said so in one of the briefings. And none of them apply here.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2020 12:18:26 GMT
I don't think that anyone has attempted to answer his point about the origin of the virus and , in this global world, the role of the Chinese government in allowing the conditions to create the virus, trying to cover it up, acting slowly, and not banning flights/ travel out...Good job it didn't happen in the UK , because think that there would be a different response from some on the EE board.....as I say , many a true word said in jest/ laughter. John - the British Govt were slow to respond, fiddled the numbers, didn't ban flights in and out etc - a lot of it did happen in the UK. It's just that it didn't start here but we sure helped it take hold Any right minded person - left or right - would like to better understand precisely how this started and help prevent further outbreaks. As only conspiracy theorists believe it was in any way deliberate then that would be best achieved with the co-operation of the Chinese - demonising and isolating them won't help - it just encourages a seige mentality that won't help anyone. Yelling 'Lab or Slab" repeatedly like a demented loon doesn't add anything either. I think he makes a basic point about the actually origin of the virus....and the initial actions of the Chinese government have had more implications in the UK and worldwide than anything that the UK government could have done or did do. Just a simple point that he is making. Perhaps he repeats " slab or lab" to emphasise his basic point, I don't know, as I say , I don't need to defend him. If it had originated on the UK then this government would have been slaughtered, in my opinion. After this is over, how do we prevent or lessen the risk of another, more devastating outbreak of a novel virus , I wonder?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:19:58 GMT
You were allowed to leave your house for a medical emergency, domestic violence or to keep your children safe. The DCMO said so in one of the briefings. And none of them apply here. Well that's Cummings argument isn't it. I think it'll come out that he got permission from no. 10 but we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2020 12:21:02 GMT
The Health Secretary now. These twats are just a moral free zone, above their own laws. Tossrags. Find childcare? Who was looking after his son then? They've said that it his parents didn't and number 10 said ... "he went to a house nearby but separate from his extended family, his sister shopped for the family and left everything outside."
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:21:45 GMT
And none of them apply here. Well that's Cummings argument isn't it. I think it'll come out that he got permission from no. 10 but we'll have to wait and see. The argument has changed. He broke the rules and the senior Tory MPs defending him are absolutely shameful and making a mockery of all of this. Why are you swallowing their lies?
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Post by Davef on May 23, 2020 12:22:40 GMT
They should've done what every other parent in the country had to do. Was there any Government advice to parents in this situation other than "Stay at Home"? How many single parents have been in this situation? You were allowed to leave the house for a medical emergency.. Who drives 280 miles for a medical emergency when they're stricken with illness? The bleeding air ambulances don't travel that far!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:23:40 GMT
Fun fact
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:26:01 GMT
You were allowed to leave the house for a medical emergency.. Who drives 280 miles for a medical emergency when they're stricken with illness? The bleeding air ambulances don't travel that far! So what would you have done if you were too ill too look after your children and your family lived 280 miles away?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2020 12:26:34 GMT
He's got a point
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2020 12:27:26 GMT
Who drives 280 miles for a medical emergency when they're stricken with illness? The bleeding air ambulances don't travel that far! So what would you have done if you were too ill too look after your children and your family lived 280 miles away? Even if we indulge this absurd narrative they have family in London.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2020 12:27:39 GMT
Here’s another
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 23, 2020 12:30:06 GMT
Not a clue. There is not one single acceptable reason they did it though Hackett. Not one. So keeping children safe isn't a valid reason... At what point was his child at risk and not being looked after by anyone?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:30:28 GMT
So what would you have done if you were too ill too look after your children and your family lived 280 miles away? Even if we indulge this absurd narrative they have family in London. All I'm saying is there are 2 sides to every story. It's totally different to Neil Ferguson having it away with someone and breaking lockdown imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:34:38 GMT
😂
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Post by brumstokie on May 23, 2020 12:37:13 GMT
So what would you have done if you were too ill too look after your children and your family lived 280 miles away? Even if we indulge this absurd narrative they have family in London. He was in the very privileged position to be able to contact his employer & ask for help from the considerable resources he had available. You would have thought an intelligent man like Cummings would have realised that.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 23, 2020 12:37:42 GMT
So keeping children safe isn't a valid reason... At what point was his child at risk and not being looked after by anyone? If they both had coronavirus how would they know their symptoms wouldn't rapidly deteriotate enough so they wouldn't be able to keep their children safe. They made a very difficult judgement call at the time, maybe it was right or maybe it was wrong but there's a lot of people judging who have not been in that position and who do not have an alternative solution.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2020 12:38:12 GMT
This is a leap of faith to link the two but it’s interesting??
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