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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:05:10 GMT
Why does charity begin at home? Never really understood that phrase I'll be honest..... I understand it and agree with it. If I saw someone struggling and in need of help, my first thought wouldn't be to check their passport and family tree. That would be weird.....
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 14, 2020 16:07:56 GMT
So...how is that useful or helpful in anyway to people in the UK at the moment??? So if someone comes to burn down your house, you wouldn't try to put the fire out, rather you would be content to sit their watching it burn while pointing your finger in the direction of the person you thought responsible. If someone came to burn my house down they would get both barrels from a shotgun, no need to put any fire out, we know who is responsible for this plague why do you think the Chinese authorities rejecting an independent investigation into it's origins and the actions taken by the host country to control the spread of it ? So what are you suggesting with your shotgun analogy? That we nuke Bejing? And if we did would that get rid of Covid 19 in the UK? I think we're meant to be looking for solutions not bigger problems.
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 16:08:51 GMT
I understand it and agree with it. If I saw someone struggling and in need of help, my first thought wouldn't be to check their passport and family tree. That would be weird..... I don't think that's what's been got at here.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:12:31 GMT
If I saw someone struggling and in need of help, my first thought wouldn't be to check their passport and family tree. That would be weird..... I don't think that's what's been got at here. Not sure to be honest. That's the problem with crapslinger's projecting I guess......
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 16:13:45 GMT
Hindsight bullshit. People were expecting triage here. But call me naive if you want, I was also expecting everyone to be welcome and then decisions to be made not a blanket ban. That seems absolutely fucking ridiculous nigh shameful. I've no idea what you are meaning to say here Yes hindsight bullshit, we were expecting the worst, tried to prepare the best we could with additional hospitals and then somebody wanting people to admit they messed up, what would have happened if we hadn't built the Nightingale's and NHS hospitals were overrun, people would have wanted them to say 'they messed up' wouldn't they, no matter what decisions they take a certain group will always be shouting in hindsight. Not at all. It's a bad argument used by people who haven't got anything else. No one in their right mind would have expected there to be advice like that for care homes. That isn't hindsight, it's just being a decent human being.
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Post by henry on May 14, 2020 16:13:49 GMT
Some potholes have been fixed
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 16:15:26 GMT
I'm no statistician, but most studies on mortality rate peg it at around 1%. Is it too crude a method to look at how many deaths there have been (40,000) times that by 100 and say that 4,000,000 people in the UK are likely to have had coronavirus, or in some cases, will still have it? I mean, i know it's not exactly the kind of method you'd get peer-reviewed on, but is it likely to be miles out- something around 6% of the population? Well according to a report in Spain based on a test of 60,000, the amount of people they reckon have got it in Spain is 5%. So no, have a PhD.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 16:15:33 GMT
What are your thoughts on that? Him and Chairman Mo are more concerned how illegal immigrants are going to survive in our country without any income from working here illegally , charity begins at home for our own not someone here illegally, time to bring in id cards I already provided you with a link where migrant workers in our Health Service saving lives, who some hypocritical MP's will clap tonight, (including the entire current cabinet who voted for it), are expected to pay a surcharge to access the Health Service.
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Post by crapslinger on May 14, 2020 16:19:30 GMT
Him and Chairman Mo are more concerned how illegal immigrants are going to survive in our country without any income from working here illegally , charity begins at home for our own not someone here illegally, time to bring in id cards Ever person has a right to live with a relative standard of living to others, don't they. There are reasons for these people to be classed as 'illegal'. Those reasons should be sympathised with rather than vilification of the person. I'd rather focus be on the problem, not the consequence. Indeed they do, so they can go back to their home countries and do just that ! if they are illegally ie. breaking the law they have no rights to claim benefits of any description, work here, access any free healthcare etc. if they are allowed to do so they are putting an unnecessary and unlawful strain on our resources, ie. the legal tax payers.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 14, 2020 16:20:49 GMT
Some potholes have been fixed This made me smile.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 14, 2020 16:35:44 GMT
Some potholes have been fixed This made me smile. Today's briefing is like a party political broadcast isn't it.
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
The way they brush off any question about the carehome disaster is shameful......
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Post by 828492 on May 14, 2020 16:56:29 GMT
Today's briefing is like a party political broadcast isn't it. That Grant Shapps is an impressive person isn’t he? It’s like having three people up there.
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 16:58:41 GMT
Today's briefing is like a party political broadcast isn't it. That Grant Shapps is an impressive person isn’t he? It’s like having three people up there. See no evil,Speak no evil ,Hear no evil.....
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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 17:08:07 GMT
That Grant Shapps is an impressive person isn’t he? It’s like having three people up there. See no evil,Speak no evil ,Hear no evil..... Well speaking of party politics you may want to check the latest opinion polls on current voting intentions The Tories are polling 50% Labour 32% Seems like the majority of the country would still prefer this Government over the alternative. Wonder why that is. Could be that the alternative still aren’t trusted
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 14, 2020 17:11:05 GMT
Positive that the death figure is decreasing, extending the furlough scheme and the manner that it’s done is good, allowing part time and requesting business to contribute.
That being said I still dislike them dropping the international comparison when it was ok to show it for 7 weeks. Slimy behaviour.
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 17:14:09 GMT
See no evil,Speak no evil ,Hear no evil..... Well speaking of party politics you may want to check the latest opinion polls on current voting intentions The Tories are polling 50% Labour 32% Seems like the majority of the country would still prefer this Government over the alternative. Wonder why that is. Could be that the alternative still aren’t trusted In a time of national crisis (a pandemic ) people are 70% more likely to support the party in power so dont get your hopes up......
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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 17:17:51 GMT
Well speaking of party politics you may want to check the latest opinion polls on current voting intentions The Tories are polling 50% Labour 32% Seems like the majority of the country would still prefer this Government over the alternative. Wonder why that is. Could be that the alternative still aren’t trusted In a time of national crisis (a pandemic ) people are 70% more likely to support the party in power so dont get your hopes up...... But when they’re doing such an awful job and constantly lying don’t you find it odd that they are still so much more trusted than Labour 🤔
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 17:19:03 GMT
China ambassador on sky news saying there's no cover up but we're not allowing WHO in to assist with internal investigation. Unbelievable
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 17:21:13 GMT
In a time of national crisis (a pandemic ) people are 70% more likely to support the party in power so dont get your hopes up...... But when they’re doing such an awful job and constantly lying don’t you find it odd that they are still so much more trusted than Labour 🤔 What part of "the party in power ." dont you understand?
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Post by citynickscfc on May 14, 2020 17:21:32 GMT
Ever person has a right to live with a relative standard of living to others, don't they. There are reasons for these people to be classed as 'illegal'. Those reasons should be sympathised with rather than vilification of the person. I'd rather focus be on the problem, not the consequence. Indeed they do, so they can go back to their home countries and do just that ! if they are illegally ie. breaking the law they have no rights to claim benefits of any description, work here, access any free healthcare etc. if they are allowed to do so they are putting an unnecessary and unlawful strain on our resources, ie. the legal tax payers. What a wonderful human being you are. Like people can just go back to their own country and 'do just that'. Self righteous bafoonery. I hope you never have to justify your right of residence ever. Maybe then you might realise it's just a piece of rock flying around infinite space at 67,000 mph, and no one has the right to tell you you are worth less than any other life.
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Post by citynickscfc on May 14, 2020 17:24:20 GMT
I'm sorry. They lied, deceived, and knowingly construed whatever financially based exertions into the British public. It's clear the world economy needs an adjustable/sustainable system and change that suits it's population and not the minority. Instead, we have people pretending that government's lieing and deceiving the people they serve is ok, normal, and 'in the public's interest'. It's bewildering, small minded, and if I'm honest it's typical of the society we have been conditioned to accept. The British government answer to the pressures of the economy, not of the people. Remember that next time you vote in this broken, capitulated system with your 'voice'. Remember children's agency as an example, pretending you have made a difference meanwhile you okay with your consumables. Yes, the British government should be held accountable, I too would welcome a revolution of sorts should the people choose to acknowledge the complete lack of care, responsibility and reliability the supposed'democratic'system in the UK represents. Without question, they must certainly should be held accountable. Oh by the way, enjoy the government's distraction techniques i.e. making other'news' more important- see above the smear campaign. So let me get this straight, Gods said we've wasted money on the temporary hospitals, hospitals they were building to protect the people, using money we could ill afford, and you say it was a decision based on the economy and not to protect people ? I think you're mini rant was aimed at a higher level of discussion around the scale and type of economies etc. ? I've said on here before we should be looking at de-growth and localised production systems. There will be reviews into what has happened, mistakes will and have been made, but this hasn't been a normal event by any stretch of the imagination, lessons will be learnt. No, there is no god, sorry. There are however small minded human beings who simply herpderp their life saying things like 'if you don't vote you don't get a say' and 'they took our jaaaawbs' etc. Lessons will not be learnt because changes won't happen, unless we started in my mini rant as you put it people decide to get educated or at least decide to open their minds to the situation. It's called agency and every person's right, simply put.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 14, 2020 17:25:57 GMT
China ambassador on sky news saying there's no cover up but we're not allowing WHO in to assist with internal investigation. Unbelievable Bit like the current government saying there's nothing to hide regarding Russian interference in the electoral process but not releasing the report. Unbelievable.
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Post by citynickscfc on May 14, 2020 17:27:34 GMT
It's positive but then what? Sell it to the highest bidder? It's important as here in Finland they are also 'ahead' as you put it, be seems every country is doing the space race crap isn't it? Spinning their own version of the vaccine acquired, however concern here is that it will simply be sold to the highest bidder. What protection in the UK is there for preventing that ?? It's likely smaller countries will be last, and I'm guessing it will be sold out of the UK also should it be of economic interest, again not exactly positive unless the info can be openly shared... Right? AstraZeneca who would be making (sorry are already making) the vaccine being worked on by the Oxford lab have confirmed that they will make the vaccine at cost (0% profit), it would be rolled out across the UK and then the world on this basis should the vaccine prove to be successful. Well that is brilliant, but who sets the cost? I do hope it's well sourced and not estimated to be overpriced just like ventilators have been for example, amongst many many other pharmaceutical products, government services, local services etc
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Post by citynickscfc on May 14, 2020 17:28:36 GMT
It's positive but then what? Sell it to the highest bidder? It's important as here in Finland they are also 'ahead' as you put it, be seems every country is doing the space race crap isn't it? Spinning their own version of the vaccine acquired, however concern here is that it will simply be sold to the highest bidder. What protection in the UK is there for preventing that ?? It's likely smaller countries will be last, and I'm guessing it will be sold out of the UK also should it be of economic interest, again not exactly positive unless the info can be openly shared... Right? Oxford have forgone royalties on the vaccine for the length of the pandemic. www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-04-30-landmark-partnership-announced-development-covid-19-vaccineAdditionally: “Under the new agreement, as well as providing UK access as early as possible if the vaccine candidate is successful, AstraZeneca will work with global partners on the international distribution of the vaccine, particularly working to make it available and accessible for low and medium income countries.” Excellent news and will be well received by many many countries if so.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 14, 2020 17:29:19 GMT
In a time of national crisis (a pandemic ) people are 70% more likely to support the party in power so dont get your hopes up...... But when they’re doing such an awful job and constantly lying don’t you find it odd that they are still so much more trusted than Labour 🤔 Yep - that's what you get when the majority of the press is owned by self interested conservatively aligned, tax avoiding, billionaire scumbags.
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Post by Los Alfareros on May 14, 2020 17:33:05 GMT
Everyday 1st world Covid-19 problems coming to the fore.... my iphone does not recognise my "face id" when I'm out and about with my mask on.
On the plus side, I find middle age women in the supermarket with facemask and latex gloves on a strange turn on.
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 17:33:12 GMT
I don't know if it's just come out wrong because the chinese ambassador is speaking in English, but when he was asked if you develop a vaccine will you share it with the world who needs it most first, he was umm,umm,umm. Then he said adder a but of dithering we would like to share what we have achieved with the rest of the world. Have achieved? Have achieved?
Is that why the death rates have suddenly gone right down in China?
He comes across a right slimey little shit that bloke.
He said he will let world wide scientists into china once it's the right time and not now.
There's something right dodgy about that little fuck.
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 17:39:00 GMT
He's now trying defend the question on why 13 American journalists over there to investigate the origins of the virus have been sent back to america. He was then asked why two chinese jounalists have disappeared when they were making a video of it.
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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 17:47:00 GMT
But when they’re doing such an awful job and constantly lying don’t you find it odd that they are still so much more trusted than Labour 🤔 Yep - that's what you get when the majority of the press is owned by self interested conservatively aligned, tax avoiding, billionaire scumbags. Fine if that’s what you want to believe I respect your view
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