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Post by wagsastokie on May 13, 2020 19:31:02 GMT
Ah the organ grinders pet has arrived It's grinder's. like to keep you on your toe's
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Post by sportsman on May 13, 2020 19:32:00 GMT
So basically all them lining the front of benidorm drinking beers with their tops off are fucked? You've mentioned this several times today, what are you referring to, I thought there were strict measures in place? Good old Facebook pictures mate 😉
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Post by sportsman on May 13, 2020 19:43:00 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 13, 2020 20:17:12 GMT
Heard an excellent comment on the radio tonight. The point was being made that if the Premier League was to resume under controlled conditions, then it was likely that those would be the safest workplace conditions available anywhere, with repeated regular testing, minimal conditions of risk, outdoors, with access to first rate medical back up services. Players were effectively getting a fair, or even very good deal. It was then suggested that if some players were unhappy with that situation, and felt afraid or intimidated in being asked to play, maybe they could consider getting another job.Nice one. Pampered pricks. Or the premier league and the 20 supposedly super rich owners could wake up and smell the coffee , namely that they have created a model which despite unprecedented income is hopelessly addicted to short term cash , so much so they are prepared to divert precious state resource of testing , people and focus to enable them to pay their debts and secure their place on the next gravy train at the cost of the safety of their employees . candidly it’s abhorrent they need very clear guidance the state will not enable you to dodge this accountability , sort your own house , cut costs , remove the weakest links , create a model which you can fund if need be and come back when people are not dying at a rate of 100s a day or infecting 20,000 + a week , to help their logic by Xmas the disease will has already wiped out a full Stamford bridge stadium , will have wiped out a full anfield and old Trafford at current trajectory .
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Post by smallthorner on May 13, 2020 20:41:19 GMT
Heard an excellent comment on the radio tonight. The point was being made that if the Premier League was to resume under controlled conditions, then it was likely that those would be the safest workplace conditions available anywhere, with repeated regular testing, minimal conditions of risk, outdoors, with access to first rate medical back up services. Players were effectively getting a fair, or even very good deal. It was then suggested that if some players were unhappy with that situation, and felt afraid or intimidated in being asked to play, maybe they could consider getting another job.Nice one. Pampered pricks. Or the premier league and the 20 supposedly super rich owners could wake up and smell the coffee , namely that they have created a model which despite unprecedented income is hopelessly addicted to short term cash , so much so they are prepared to divert precious state resource of testing , people and focus to enable them to pay their debts and secure their place on the next gravy train at the cost of the safety of their employees . candidly it’s abhorrent they need very clear guidance the state will not enable you to dodge this accountability , sort your own house , cut costs , remove the weakest links , create a model which you can fund if need be and come back when people are not dying at a rate of 100s a day or infecting 20,000 + a week , to help their logic by Xmas the disease will has already wiped out a full Stamford bridge stadium , will have  wiped out a full anfield and old Trafford at current trajectory . Think a lot of high profile professional sports are going to have a massive shakeup. Sky subscriptions alone will get a massive decrease. High cost sport will go onto most people's backburner. I've got a feeling family run, low cost (relatively), socially responsible clubs like SCFC will come out of this better than most.
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Post by whatsashig on May 13, 2020 20:52:13 GMT
It appears to me that there is confusion and worry for everyone, some might make sense of the guidance some might not, but a decision in ones head will be made as to do what’s best, if that’s for themselves and including others all the better, it’s difficult times and I hope folk are making conscience decisions with almost all aspects of ‘normal’ life (getting bread=food). Pulling apart guidance and finding something that don’t make sense in these guidelines is only getting in the way of your own guidelines of what you can make of it, my point of view is you just need to minimise interaction (bit shite I know) and stay away from people cus it’s NOT spreading the thing that’s important, and it dunt take much thinking to get an inkling of how to reduce that. Minimise risk as best as you can, and I hate risk assessments
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Post by BristolMick on May 13, 2020 20:54:46 GMT
Or the premier league and the 20 supposedly super rich owners could wake up and smell the coffee , namely that they have created a model which despite unprecedented income is hopelessly addicted to short term cash , so much so they are prepared to divert precious state resource of testing , people and focus to enable them to pay their debts and secure their place on the next gravy train at the cost of the safety of their employees . candidly it’s abhorrent they need very clear guidance the state will not enable you to dodge this accountability , sort your own house , cut costs , remove the weakest links , create a model which you can fund if need be and come back when people are not dying at a rate of 100s a day or infecting 20,000 + a week , to help their logic by Xmas the disease will has already wiped out a full Stamford bridge stadium , will have  wiped out a full anfield and old Trafford at current trajectory . Think a lot of high profile professional sports are going to have a massive shakeup. Sky subscriptions alone will get a massive decrease. High cost sport will go onto most people's backburner. I've got a feeling family run, low cost (relatively), socially responsible clubs like SCFC will come out of this better than most. I wish Sky offered an EFL only subscription. I’d do that in an instant. Have hardly watched a Premier League game on the box since we were relegated. Couldn’t give a toss about them. BM
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Post by sportsman on May 13, 2020 21:15:08 GMT
So that's the first country abroad lying their arses off.
Sky saying Mexico are lying through their teeth and reporting their figures should be at least 5 times greater than they are reporting.
Over to you rest of Europe.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2020 21:19:05 GMT
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Post by raythesailor on May 13, 2020 21:19:39 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ?
Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS.
I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ?
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Post by smallthorner on May 13, 2020 21:22:03 GMT
Think a lot of high profile professional sports are going to have a massive shakeup. Sky subscriptions alone will get a massive decrease. High cost sport will go onto most people's backburner. I've got a feeling family run, low cost (relatively), socially responsible clubs like SCFC will come out of this better than most. I wish Sky offered an EFL only subscription. I’d do that in an instant. Have hardly watched a Premier League game on the box since we were relegated. Couldn’t give a toss about them. BM Yes... I think there is going to be a few squeaky bums in the premier league corridors of power along with the owners of course. And.. dont know about anybody else of course... but the longer this goes on the more football becomes not important. Hey.. Harry Kane... would you be prepared to take a 20% cut in your salary for the next twelve months? Maybe Harry would. But a lot of salaried staff in small to medium sized companies in the UK will be asked the question very soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:23:52 GMT
I’ll look in more detail at the data but the takeaway from this is that any hope of the UK being 50% infected is starting to fall into the realms of wishful thinking. I’ll have a scan for what tests they used and accompanying specificity/sensitivity. We need our numbers back but I can’t see how we will be the exception at this point. Just so I understand this correctly, is this a study where they test random people, and those showing antibodies are those that have had it. And by testing a large enough sample, you can predict how much of the total population has had the virus to date. Is that correct? I can't believe its as low as 5%. Or maybe it's the blindly optimistic side of me that wont believe its that low. That's depressing.
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Post by sportsman on May 13, 2020 21:24:12 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ? Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS. I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ? It's been coming for a bit now. The tone has changed to sniping, scandal and lies. You soon won't know who to trust. Wish they'd get onto other countries like sky news have done in Mexico and find out the real truth abroad as much as they are doing here. We can than have a proper comparison and work our way through it.
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Post by chad on May 13, 2020 21:25:28 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ? Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS. I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ? You can see why it’s bought up. There is a staggering difference in the figures between white and others. I’m far from convinced it’s deliberately racial but it does need investigating.
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Post by BristolMick on May 13, 2020 21:29:33 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ? Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS. I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ? Was it racial ‘discrimination’ mate or just reporting the fact that more people of certain origins have been impacted more? Is it because they are highly represented on the frontline or because their origin is more susceptible? BM
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2020 21:30:05 GMT
Here's a prediction.
The economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
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Post by raythesailor on May 13, 2020 21:33:29 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ? Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS. I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ? You can see why it’s bought up. There is a staggering difference in the figures between white and others. I’m far from convinced it’s deliberately racial but it does need investigating. Totally agree. It may be a genetic thing. It maybe the proportion of the social demographic of front line workers who we have the utmost respect for. One thing I feel it is not is Racial Discrimination.
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2020 21:38:00 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
That would require the general attitude to 50000/60000 dead to become blasé.
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Post by Davef on May 13, 2020 21:38:03 GMT
Anybody seen ITV news at ten tonight ? Now the gutter journalists are trying to bring racial discrimination into the fatality statistics in the NHS. I can not begin to believe there is any truth in this and have to wonder who and why this has been bought up ? You can see why it’s bought up. There is a staggering difference in the figures between white and others. I’m far from convinced it’s deliberately racial but it does need investigating. The role of Vitamin D, it's role in the immune system and D deficiency amongst ethnic groups has been investigated. While the number of deaths in the BAME community can't be put entirely down to that, ITV have made no attempt to investigate anything, basing their entire report on a survey.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 13, 2020 21:45:17 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
You may be right but I’ll trump you with by late October nobody will care about the economy as the second wave rips through the uk and the whole framework of the current government and social order is challenged but the premier league will still be taking about resumption and the government will be saying despite 100,000 deaths you can’t compare countries
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2020 21:48:58 GMT
I’ll look in more detail at the data but the takeaway from this is that any hope of the UK being 50% infected is starting to fall into the realms of wishful thinking. I’ll have a scan for what tests they used and accompanying specificity/sensitivity. We need our numbers back but I can’t see how we will be the exception at this point. Just so I understand this correctly, is this a study where they test random people, and those showing antibodies are those that have had it. And by testing a large enough sample, you can predict how much of the total population has had the virus to date. Is that correct? I can't believe its as low as 5%. Or maybe it's the blindly optimistic side of me that wont believe its that low. That's depressing. 5% of the U.K. population would be 3.25ish million. As a whole number that would put it up with the higher estimates wouldn’t it? Bar the 50% thing. And if it that is true then it’s way more potent than we think too. 1-2% die from it.
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Post by BristolMick on May 13, 2020 21:50:07 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
You may be right but I’ll trump you with by late October nobody will care about the economy as the second wave rips through the uk and the whole framework of the current government and social order is challenged but the premier league will still be taking about resumption and the government will be saying despite 100,000 deaths you can’t compare countries 100,000? We’ll be lucky! BM
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Post by sportsman on May 13, 2020 21:52:31 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
You may be right but I’ll trump you with by late October nobody will care about the economy as the second wave rips through the uk and the whole framework of the current government and social order is challenged but the premier league will still be taking about resumption and the government will be saying despite 100,000 deaths you can’t compare countries Are you saying you can compare countries still when sky's first country to look at mexico is at least 5 times higher than what their government are reporting and that there's that many deaths you couldn't start to try and count?
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Post by adri2008 on May 13, 2020 21:56:24 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
That would require the general attitude to 50000/60000 dead to become blasé. I think the attitude already has changed somewhat. The daily death toll seems to be met with a shrug of the shoulders now. For many people it's not been close enough to home to have a proper impact so it's become a mere figure
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 13, 2020 21:57:43 GMT
You can see why it’s bought up. There is a staggering difference in the figures between white and others. I’m far from convinced it’s deliberately racial but it does need investigating. Totally agree. It may be a genetic thing. It maybe the proportion of the social demographic of front line workers who we have the utmost respect for. One thing I feel it is not is Racial Discrimination. Surely the sheer proportion of our BAME citizens who are in low wage front line jobs and live in poverty, particularly in London indicates their might be something more to play here and that's before you factor in the status of migrants with no recourse to pubic funds or maybe subject to NHS charges. One thing is for certain, where one group of people is four times more likely to die from a virus than another, then we're in full public enquiry territory.
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2020 22:04:45 GMT
Here's a prediction. T he economic story will be bigger than the health story before the month of June is out.
That would require the general attitude to 50000/60000 dead to become blasé. Yes. It may lack the tragedy but it will touch an awful lot more lives and run a lot longer and cratering the economy costs lives too.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 13, 2020 22:09:13 GMT
That would require the general attitude to 50000/60000 dead to become blasé. Yes. the economy costs lives too. Austerity and the terror it wrought on the poor didn't seem to bother too many people over the last ten years. I suppose the only hope is that the pain and misery is more evenly shouldered this time around.
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2020 22:11:07 GMT
That would require the general attitude to 50000/60000 dead to become blasé. I think the attitude already has changed somewhat. The daily death toll seems to be met with a shrug of the shoulders now. For many people it's not been close enough to home to have a proper impact so it's become a mere figure It's so true. 7 Grenfell Tower's worth of dead people whistled up again in the last 24 hours and most of haven't even blinked. Comfortably numb. The economic story will touch more of our lives and it will endure for far longer.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 13, 2020 22:17:31 GMT
I’ll look in more detail at the data but the takeaway from this is that any hope of the UK being 50% infected is starting to fall into the realms of wishful thinking. I’ll have a scan for what tests they used and accompanying specificity/sensitivity. We need our numbers back but I can’t see how we will be the exception at this point. Just so I understand this correctly, is this a study where they test random people, and those showing antibodies are those that have had it. And by testing a large enough sample, you can predict how much of the total population has had the virus to date. Is that correct? I can't believe its as low as 5%. Or maybe it's the blindly optimistic side of me that wont believe its that low. That's depressing. Yeah they’ve got data from all over Spain, until I read the paper (I’m not sure it’s out yet) but I think based on the fact this is round one of a multiple surveys they’re doing on the same participants and the sample is 60,000 there is decent randomisation going on. And yes, this is an estimate of exposure based on antibody prevalence within that sample. It is very similar to the prelim results mooted by Whitty and data emerging from elsewhere. It suggests a crude fatality of ~1%. Sorry it’s fuzzy, tapatalk messes up the images but you can see Madrid/Castilla la Mancha as the central hotspot and then drops in prevalence elsewhere. I’m not too surprised in all honestly, a lot was being made of poorly designed, rushed antibody studies with high false positives and bad sampling techniques. The larger studies are starting to come in now with better tests, and methodology and reinforcing the fact this is a really serious infection. The Santa Clara study (arguably the most infamous) which argued for less than 0.1% CFR based on their extrapolations of a biased sample is sinking fast. As a slight devil’s advocate, the test used here could be crap too. Hopefully I can dig out what it is and what validation it’s had. I really want to see our numbers. Edit: The paper is out in Spanish, currently doing my best with skills not used for about 8 years 😂
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2020 22:25:37 GMT
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