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Post by Davef on May 12, 2020 22:01:08 GMT
I'd love to see the odds of catching this virus simply by taking your golf ball out of a hole.
They''d be a damn sight higher than doing your weekly shop that's for sure.
Apart from staying at home, there aren't many safer things you can do right now than play golf.
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Post by thisisouryear on May 12, 2020 22:06:50 GMT
I'd love to see the odds of catching this virus simply by taking your golf ball out of a hole. They''d be a damn sight higher than doing your weekly shop that's for sure. Apart from staying at home, there aren't many safer things you can do right now than play golf. www.amazon.co.uk/slp/trash-grabber/gaf8swpzmezw96j
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 12, 2020 22:09:44 GMT
Our business does 2 man deliveries to customers room of choice. We've put guidelines in place to enable this to happen. Measures include homeowners needing to leave all internal doors open so as to help with distancing and to ensure the delivery crew can complete delivery without touching anything other than the product they are delivering. Delivery teams will have PPE in the forms of masks and gloves and customers can choose to have door-step delivery if they would prefer and equally they can defer delivery until such a time as they feel its safe to accept it. There is no need for them to sign for the product anymore, on paper or glass and the crew will photograph the product either in the room or at the door step. The only thing our delivery teams are not doing, that they would ordinarily, is to install the product in the home due to the need to limit the amount of time in someone's house. I suppose, if the homeowner was to leave all doors open, house viewers could walk around the house whilst not touching anything and whilst maintaining social distancing. Health v economy again I suppose. A strong housing market is a key factor in a strong economy. If the housing market is dead on its arse, many areas of retail are also, particularly the industry I work in. I get that Dave but it's people's perception which is the issue here ... "If next door can have a string of viewings round yesterday, where complete strangers have been coming and going, then nobody's going to stop my mum popping round here for 15 minutes today." I get that. I really do and it's why I would have preferred a further 2 or 3 weeks with an even more draconian lockdown. In truth, the measures were in place up to today should be the measures we are adopting tomorrow and the initial lockdown should have been more draconian. Again, as it has from the outset in truth, it comes down to people doing what they think is right for them and others whilst ignoring what others may or may not be doing. Persinally, I do believe that it is easier to adhere to social distancing measures with strangers than it is with family or friends because familiarity inevitably breeds complacency.
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Post by crapslinger on May 12, 2020 22:11:36 GMT
I'd love to see the odds of catching this virus simply by taking your golf ball out of a hole. They''d be a damn sight higher than doing your weekly shop that's for sure. Apart from staying at home, there aren't many safer things you can do right now than play golf. Depends on who has handled your balls.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 12, 2020 22:14:54 GMT
I think the idea is you won't. "Do not touch the flagstick under any circumstances. Hole liners are likely to be in place, so your ball will be deemed has holed if any part of it is below the level of the green. Some clubs may opt to have their hole liners above the level of the green, so your ball is "in the hole" if it strikes the liner". New Rules for GolfWonder about the science on the flag it’s in the open air subject to the Elements but you shouldn’t touch , but you can touch a park bench named as a can do activity , it’s no a moan just a inconsistency in risk , same for gate handles etc .ideally you’d touch none but it should say that . If you touch them, you should wash your hands. Golfers are notorious for touching their mouths, often licking a finger so as to clean your ball before putting or teeing off. Those natural golfing habits are where the dangers lie in my opinion. Measures have been taken so as to ensure members don't touch anything other than their clubs and their ball.
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Post by numpty40 on May 12, 2020 22:31:51 GMT
That's exactly the worry isn't it and what will be the consequences? I get the economy needs to get going but it seems they're trying to do it a hell of a pace, without much consideration for how one action could influence another. People will soon see the absurdity of it all when, even with the best will in the world, they're subjected to danger in unsafe work situations or on the commute. Add in a stream of pointy shoed estate agents bringing prospective clients up and down your road and other anomalies and it's chaos yet again. Certainly when we next have a sunny weekend, for those with Gardens at least there will be a mass disobedience of regulations as families meet again at appropriate social distance because people will see the hypocrisy of it all. What the Police will do is anyone's guess but I heavily suspect that that is exactly what the Government want. Their 'we told you but you didn't listen' moment. It's the only explanation that makes the slightest sense. So what do you want? Full lockdown, no lockdown or something in between?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 12, 2020 22:44:34 GMT
Wonder about the science on the flag it’s in the open air subject to the Elements but you shouldn’t touch , but you can touch a park bench named as a can do activity , it’s no a moan just a inconsistency in risk , same for gate handles etc .ideally you’d touch none but it should say that . If you touch them, you should wash your hands. Golfers are notorious for touching their mouths, often licking a finger so as to clean your ball before putting or teeing off. Those natural golfing habits are where the dangers lie in my opinion. Measures have been taken so as to ensure members don't touch anything other than their clubs and their ball. Dave I undsertand and as a mucky golfer mystkk I get it but here are other similaor hazards on the street , the park , the beech Thar require similar precautions was my only observation
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2020 22:45:13 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2020 22:48:27 GMT
People will soon see the absurdity of it all when, even with the best will in the world, they're subjected to danger in unsafe work situations or on the commute. Add in a stream of pointy shoed estate agents bringing prospective clients up and down your road and other anomalies and it's chaos yet again. Certainly when we next have a sunny weekend, for those with Gardens at least there will be a mass disobedience of regulations as families meet again at appropriate social distance because people will see the hypocrisy of it all. What the Police will do is anyone's guess but I heavily suspect that that is exactly what the Government want. Their 'we told you but you didn't listen' moment. It's the only explanation that makes the slightest sense. So what do you want? Full lockdown, no lockdown or something in between? I was convinced it would have been another full three weeks in lockdown and that would have been my choice. Then there might be something additional around education they could offer for a better phased return to work, more time for proper procedures to be put in place in workplaces and a slow and safe increase in public transport capacity. What we've got is a contradictory dogs breakfast which in some circumstances will put lives at risk and that is a fact. There was simply no need at all to do what they did on Sunday in the way that they did it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2020 22:49:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2020 22:54:14 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2020 22:54:59 GMT
I'd love to see the odds of catching this virus simply by taking your golf ball out of a hole. They''d be a damn sight higher than doing your weekly shop that's for sure. Apart from staying at home, there aren't many safer things you can do right now than play golf. What if you don't play golf?
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Post by JoeinOz on May 12, 2020 22:56:26 GMT
Eurovision Song Contest was cancelled. Only just realised that. At least something good came from all this.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2020 22:57:59 GMT
They're happy to take my money when it suits them. Cake and eat it springs to mind. It's perfectly legal just like it is to play golf or to get people to come and view my house if its up for sale, so I'm going and nobody is going to stop me ;-)
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 12, 2020 22:59:02 GMT
I'd love to see the odds of catching this virus simply by taking your golf ball out of a hole. They''d be a damn sight higher than doing your weekly shop that's for sure. Apart from staying at home, there aren't many safer things you can do right now than play golf. What if you don't play golf? Stay at home? Or should that be stay alert?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2020 23:01:50 GMT
I put a couple of links on a few weeks ago when incidents of this started turning up but it looks like a cluster of kids have got it now and sadly a 14 year old boy has died. Worth keeping vigilant for the signs, I guess... www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18441432.cluster-child-cases-new-inflammatory-disease-linked-coronavirus-detected-south-east-london/A "cluster" of cases of a new, rare inflammatory disease have been detected in south east London, affecting over 40 children and causing the death of a 14-year-old boy. Dozens of children have been treated in a specialist hospital for a "hyper inflammatory" disease, similar to Kawasaki disease, described as a "new phenomenon" linked to coronavirus. I read somewhere that health professionals said it was just coincidence and nothing to do with Covid. I'll try and find a link.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2020 23:07:52 GMT
What if you don't play golf? Stay at home? Or should that be stay alert? Stay bent over and get fucked from behind I think is the message from the government if you're being made redundant and can't access the furlough scheme.
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Post by mattintheprem on May 12, 2020 23:35:53 GMT
Stay at home? Or should that be stay alert? Stay bent over and get fucked from behind I think is the message from the government if you're being made redundant and can't access the furlough scheme. There is going to be a huge number of redundancies over the next few months, it will be in the millions, once in a lifetime opportunity for businesses to trim the wage bill & blame the virus whether its true or not. Once a few big companies have hit the headlines (P&O already gone early with their announcements) the rest will follow swiftly behind when its safe to bury bad news. House prices will then probably tumble as well, probably not a bad thing in the long run but its going to be a grim couple of years at least.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2020 23:39:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2020 23:42:07 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 12, 2020 23:44:41 GMT
This is so important and really has to be addressed going forwards.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 12, 2020 23:48:11 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 13, 2020 0:02:08 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 13, 2020 0:13:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 5:47:10 GMT
Can't believe what I'm reading. Its a terrible tragedy and it looks like it's going to get worse. Like you say shocking. This paragraph summed it up really: "Public Health England (PHE), the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) have repeatedly passed the buck about who should carry out the tests, according to correspondence with care homes seen by the Guardian."
Who knows, maybe the government or someone has to seriously look at how effective the NHS is? A poisoned chalice but someone is going to have to grab the bull by the horns.... That's what the governments job is mate, grabbing the bull by the horns and working out how the testing is done. Not sure why you've attacked the nhs there. You and the other boris johnson fanciers are a bunch of utter lunatics
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Post by crapslinger on May 13, 2020 6:38:54 GMT
Like you say shocking. This paragraph summed it up really: "Public Health England (PHE), the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) have repeatedly passed the buck about who should carry out the tests, according to correspondence with care homes seen by the Guardian."
Who knows, maybe the government or someone has to seriously look at how effective the NHS is? A poisoned chalice but someone is going to have to grab the bull by the horns.... That's what the governments job is mate, grabbing the bull by the horns and working out how the testing is done. Not sure why you've attacked the nhs there. You and the other boris johnson fanciers are a bunch of utter lunatics boris johnson fanciers how old are you
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2020 6:41:10 GMT
We've had a 'mare handling this virus, be in no doubt about that. I suppose when the dust settles there will be an enquiry 5 years in the making by which time everything and everyone will have moved on.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 13, 2020 6:47:25 GMT
Like you say shocking. This paragraph summed it up really: "Public Health England (PHE), the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) have repeatedly passed the buck about who should carry out the tests, according to correspondence with care homes seen by the Guardian."
Who knows, maybe the government or someone has to seriously look at how effective the NHS is? A poisoned chalice but someone is going to have to grab the bull by the horns.... That's what the governments job is mate, grabbing the bull by the horns and working out how the testing is done. Not sure why you've attacked the nhs there. You and the other boris johnson fanciers are a bunch of utter lunatics Lunatics may be cured But there's no hope for fanasist's I'll attack the NHS its become an unwieldy monolith Speaking to a staff nurse the other day thirty years experience And her biggest complaint there is two many chiefs and not enough Indians When she started there were three levels of people she had to report to Now she's a couple of runs up there's now four It needs wholesale reforms concentrating on front line staffing You don't need managers managing the managers who are managing the mangers who are in turn expecting answers from there assistant managers It needs to go back to a service that is run by clinical need without political interference By clinical professionals
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 13, 2020 6:48:53 GMT
They're happy to take my money when it suits them. Cake and eat it springs to mind. It's perfectly legal just like it is to play golf or to get people to come and view my house if its up for sale, so I'm going and nobody is going to stop me ;-) Just need to get my mum and dad to put their house on the market so I can go and see them.
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Post by potteringermany on May 13, 2020 6:56:51 GMT
Probably the most significant post on this thread!It's cost the lives of about 30,000 Brits.
The WHO advised what to do on 5th Jan. The UK didn't bother increasing testing (or resporatory) equipment, but was doing the same as Germany until the 12th March and then just started testing in hospitals. From that point on, Britain has been flying blind, not knowing how many or where any cases were.
When Germany got to this point, they locked down - they had, and still have, a much better overview of where the cases are and can put out the fires. Britain has to wait until nearly all fires are out until they can start again. The lockdown in the end was due to pressure from other European leaders (especially Macron who threatened to shut down the complete boarder to the UK). We owe him greatly.
What I don't understand is why there weren't some harder questions from ministers to the SAGE people. Do we know what the real "R" rate is? How long will immunity last and how many would die if it was only say 1 month? And the other point that Hunt doesn't mention is that although they were expecting an influenza, why weren't the other issues such as testing capacity, resporatory, PPE capacity strategies followed?
The biggest myth out there is that the UK didn’t have testing capacity early or enough to contain an outbreak. Single Unis with expert staff were donating 25k’s worth of capacity. Diagnostic labs who contacted PHE and the government about converting went ignored. It’s a complete fallacy, we centralised testing and showed not even the slightest hint of innovation displayed in Korea and Germany by not disseminating testing. As I’ve said many times, testing 250k at this point is nowhere near as effective as testing less than 10% of that with some contact tracing. I concede our contact tracing wouldn’t have been Korea levels but it would not have been ineffective. Instead we literally stopped trying to contain it and here we are. The talk now simply has to be about that contact tracing ability, the testing capacity numbers now are more than adequate. It’s the information directing those tests that are key now. ESOF, just been thinking about what Jeremy Hunt said. Can you tell a simpleton, what the differences are between pandemic flu and pandemic corona and the differences between the preparation? Thanks.
He seems to say that, that caused the major mistake, but when I look at the WHO guidelines, what they say are clear and we simply didn't follow them. And surely, as soon as the virus arrived in Italy in January, it would have been known what type of pandemic we were talking about.
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