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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 15, 2022 11:03:17 GMT
They don't release the figures over the weekend anymore, so yesterday's number was for Saturday, Sunday & Monday combined.
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Post by knype on Mar 15, 2022 11:11:15 GMT
Indeed it does. Great for herd immunity Exactly! They should stop publishing the figures altogether to be honest!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2022 14:49:53 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 15, 2022 15:56:06 GMT
You might think that there might be some evidence that mask wearing is an effective tool in reducing the spread of the virus. Oh there is. We can compare non mask wearing England with mask wearing Scotland. Fortunately we can see this very clearly… Hard to make a case for mask wearing from this information. But, then again, Sturgeon’s case is pretty much do something different to Boris regardless of what data says.
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Post by noustie on Mar 15, 2022 16:00:06 GMT
You might think that there might be some evidence that mask wearing is an effective tool in reducing the spread of the virus. Oh there is. We can compare non mask wearing England with mask wearing Scotland. Fortunately we can see this very clearly… Hard to make a case for mask wearing from this information. But, then again, Sturgeon’s case is pretty much do something different to Boris regardless of what data says. Just had a note from school about parents evening phonecalls rather than face to face too - absolute fucking joke.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 15, 2022 16:46:59 GMT
You might think that there might be some evidence that mask wearing is an effective tool in reducing the spread of the virus. Oh there is. We can compare non mask wearing England with mask wearing Scotland. Fortunately we can see this very clearly… Hard to make a case for mask wearing from this information. But, then again, Sturgeon’s case is pretty much do something different to Boris regardless of what data says. Just had a note from school about parents evening phonecalls rather than face to face too - absolute fucking joke. You can she what she is hoping to for… that the numbers start to come down as we head into Spring. Now, we all know that this is something that happens naturally but she’ll be looking (despite having zero evidence) that this fall is down to her mask policy. Is Sturgeon the most cynical politician ever?
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Post by noustie on Mar 15, 2022 17:12:36 GMT
Just had a note from school about parents evening phonecalls rather than face to face too - absolute fucking joke. You can she what she is hoping to for… that the numbers start to come down as we head into Spring. Now, we all know that this is something that happens naturally but she’ll be looking (despite having zero evidence) that this fall is down to her mask policy. Is Sturgeon the most cynical politician ever? Cynical as fuck mate - there's loads of examples of bad news stories dropping at the same time as something major has diverted the public attention. When the drug deaths came out the health minister came out at the same time and said him and his mrs were racially discriminated against by a nursery in Broughty Ferry months earlier.
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Post by felonious on Mar 15, 2022 17:27:59 GMT
You can she what she is hoping to for… that the numbers start to come down as we head into Spring. Now, we all know that this is something that happens naturally but she’ll be looking (despite having zero evidence) that this fall is down to her mask policy. Is Sturgeon the most cynical politician ever? Cynical as fuck mate - there's loads of examples of bad news stories dropping at the same time as something major has diverted the public attention. When the drug deaths came out the health minister came out at the same time and said him and his mrs were racially discriminated against by a nursery in Broughty Ferry months earlier. She surely can't be any more cynical than her constituents?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 15, 2022 17:34:02 GMT
You might think that there might be some evidence that mask wearing is an effective tool in reducing the spread of the virus. Oh there is. We can compare non mask wearing England with mask wearing Scotland. Fortunately we can see this very clearly… Hard to make a case for mask wearing from this information. But, then again, Sturgeon’s case is pretty much do something different to Boris regardless of what data says. For the life of me I can’t understand how the natives haven’t run her outta dodge at this stage. She’s a joke
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Post by Davef on Mar 15, 2022 17:56:48 GMT
Yeah, because they're obvious working a treat aren't they?
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 16, 2022 3:56:50 GMT
We can be confident that masks saved a shitton of lives. Why go on about them now though, with loads vaccinated and Omicron? It's like how it makes sense to wear body armour in a warzone but only a proper weirdo wears it to pick up his scratch card from the corner shop. No one looks at that weirdo and asks "why did people support helmets for our soldiers? They're obviously not needed now" because that doesn't make sense. Not sure how you can make that statement as a matter of fact, especially in light of the CDC recently admitting that cloth masks were as good as useless. Being a bit facetious but don’t think paper helmets would be much use either! I used "confident" instead of "fact" for that reason. I think we're probably only 99% or so sure that masks reduce the spread. It seems the research lines up with what you say too - some masks are better than others and now Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be. From the CDC: "In Arkansas during August–October 2021, districts with universal mask requirements had a 23% lower incidence of COVID-19 among staff members and students compared with districts without mask requirements." And from earlier: "[in Pima and Maricopa counties, Arizona] the odds of a school-associated COVID-19 outbreak were 3.5 times higher in schools with no mask requirement than in those with a mask requirement implemented at the time school started." Now that's really simple analysis without proper controls, but the pros make their recommendations based on a lot of evidence. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better than them, but everything I've looked at lines up with mask wearing cutting the spread so I have no reason to doubt them either.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 16, 2022 4:00:10 GMT
Indeed it does. Great for herd immunity Yeah, hospital numbers are only sneaking up a bit. Omicron + vaccines means I aren't that worried about 170k infections, although it still sucks for the small fraction of families that suffer a tragedy from it. We're just stuck with it now.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 16, 2022 4:07:12 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2022 9:20:31 GMT
Not sure how you can make that statement as a matter of fact, especially in light of the CDC recently admitting that cloth masks were as good as useless. Being a bit facetious but don’t think paper helmets would be much use either! I used "confident" instead of "fact" for that reason. I think we're probably only 99% or so sure that masks reduce the spread. It seems the research lines up with what you say too - some masks are better than others and now Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be. From the CDC: "In Arkansas during August–October 2021, districts with universal mask requirements had a 23% lower incidence of COVID-19 among staff members and students compared with districts without mask requirements." And from earlier: "[in Pima and Maricopa counties, Arizona] the odds of a school-associated COVID-19 outbreak were 3.5 times higher in schools with no mask requirement than in those with a mask requirement implemented at the time school started." Now that's really simple analysis without proper controls, but the pros make their recommendations based on a lot of evidence. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better than them, but everything I've looked at lines up with mask wearing cutting the spread so I have no reason to doubt them either. [ “Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be.” Can you please explain how Omnicron gets through cloth but other variants didn’t?
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Post by knype on Mar 16, 2022 10:12:06 GMT
I used "confident" instead of "fact" for that reason. I think we're probably only 99% or so sure that masks reduce the spread. It seems the research lines up with what you say too - some masks are better than others and now Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be. From the CDC: "In Arkansas during August–October 2021, districts with universal mask requirements had a 23% lower incidence of COVID-19 among staff members and students compared with districts without mask requirements." And from earlier: "[in Pima and Maricopa counties, Arizona] the odds of a school-associated COVID-19 outbreak were 3.5 times higher in schools with no mask requirement than in those with a mask requirement implemented at the time school started." Now that's really simple analysis without proper controls, but the pros make their recommendations based on a lot of evidence. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better than them, but everything I've looked at lines up with mask wearing cutting the spread so I have no reason to doubt them either. [ “Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be.” Can you please explain how Omnicron gets through cloth but other variants didn’t? Hence proves the bullshit!
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 16, 2022 16:10:02 GMT
I used "confident" instead of "fact" for that reason. I think we're probably only 99% or so sure that masks reduce the spread. It seems the research lines up with what you say too - some masks are better than others and now Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be. From the CDC: "In Arkansas during August–October 2021, districts with universal mask requirements had a 23% lower incidence of COVID-19 among staff members and students compared with districts without mask requirements." And from earlier: "[in Pima and Maricopa counties, Arizona] the odds of a school-associated COVID-19 outbreak were 3.5 times higher in schools with no mask requirement than in those with a mask requirement implemented at the time school started." Now that's really simple analysis without proper controls, but the pros make their recommendations based on a lot of evidence. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better than them, but everything I've looked at lines up with mask wearing cutting the spread so I have no reason to doubt them either. [ “Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be.” Can you please explain how Omnicron gets through cloth but other variants didn’t? I've written something up I'll post later regardless, but I'm really interested in how you think the virus spreads. What do you expect masks do, and how does that (or doesn't it) affect virus spread? Not taking the piss, genuinely interested. I'll post my answer after but it'll probably be better if I understand your position first.
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Post by noustie on Mar 16, 2022 16:25:48 GMT
You might think that there might be some evidence that mask wearing is an effective tool in reducing the spread of the virus. Oh there is. We can compare non mask wearing England with mask wearing Scotland. Fortunately we can see this very clearly… Hard to make a case for mask wearing from this information. But, then again, Sturgeon’s case is pretty much do something different to Boris regardless of what data says. For the life of me I can’t understand how the natives haven’t run her outta dodge at this stage. She’s a joke Hobson's Choice unfortunately for folk of my persuasion plus surrounded herself with sycophants so can't see anyone from within being even semi-competent.
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Post by noustie on Mar 16, 2022 16:27:41 GMT
My gran is in a home and has dementia - fucking horrible. Could tell you stuff from 70 years ago and do mad sums in her head but couldn't remember my wife was sat five feet away.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2022 16:35:44 GMT
[ “Omicron mostly gets through cloth so that's probably less effective than it used to be.” Can you please explain how Omnicron gets through cloth but other variants didn’t? I've written something up I'll post later regardless, but I'm really interested in how you think the virus spreads. What do you expect masks do, and how does that (or doesn't it) affect virus spread? Not taking the piss, genuinely interested. I'll post my answer after but it'll probably be better if I understand your position first. I know how the virus spreads so I’ll be interested to see your analysis on how Omnicron “gets through cloth” as I just don’t understand the logic Happy to be educated on this
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2022 16:37:17 GMT
Did you see that the US Senate voted against mask mandates on planes public transport etc.
Following the science?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 16, 2022 17:05:08 GMT
Good job we're jabbing all them 5 year olds.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 17, 2022 19:36:00 GMT
I can explain it. Older people are far more susceptible to viruses. Genius
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 19:37:37 GMT
I can explain it. Older people are far more susceptible to viruses. Genius Ah that’s fine then 🤦♂️ I’ve never known so many people get it. These new rules are a joke tbh.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 17, 2022 19:39:10 GMT
I can explain it. Older people are far more susceptible to viruses. Genius Ah that’s fine then 🤦♂️ I’ve never known so many people get it. These new rules are a joke tbh. What new rules?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 19:44:45 GMT
Ah that’s fine then 🤦♂️ I’ve never known so many people get it. These new rules are a joke tbh. What new rules? Egg fucking zactly. Mandatory isolation still should be a thing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 17, 2022 19:46:57 GMT
Egg fucking zactly. Mandatory isolation still should be a thing. Christ almighty. I’m assuming you’re one of the WFH crew? People have a choice to stay at home if they want to, as it should be.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 17, 2022 20:04:55 GMT
Egg fucking zactly. Mandatory isolation still should be a thing. No, it shouldn’t.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 20:06:55 GMT
Egg fucking zactly. Mandatory isolation still should be a thing. Christ almighty. I’m assuming you’re one of the WFH crew? People have a choice to stay at home if they want to, as it should be. I hate working from home. People shouldn’t be forced in. Sick pay should be in place for the isolation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 20:07:48 GMT
Egg fucking zactly. Mandatory isolation still should be a thing. No, it shouldn’t. Yes it should. It’s still a very dangerous virus and people can’t be trusted to give a shit and protect those that need protecting.
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