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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 16:13:27 GMT
The big problem is getting China to allow exports. One of my clients has 2 factories in China manufacturing PPE, which is where most of it is made, he was manufacturing solely for the UK and European markets. He was ordered to stop exporting and ramp up his production just to satisfy The Chinese Domestic market. So there is plenty about, but China holding on to it. The question is how did this country get into that position, where our manufacturing industry was crushed to virtually nothing to the point where we rely on importing a certain percentage proportion of our goods? When we decided that GDP was to be the only quantifiable measure of a country's "success" without factoring in the health, well being and equality of its citizens, in a nut shell......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 16:20:28 GMT
Chris Whitty now self isolating with the symptons of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 16:22:37 GMT
The question is how did this country get into that position, where our manufacturing industry was crushed to virtually nothing to the point where we rely on importing a certain percentage proportion of our goods? When we decided that GDP was to be the only quantifiable measure of a countries "success" without factoring in the health, well being and equality of it's citizens, in a nut shell...... Indeed. Many years ago I think they called it the knowledge economy. Capitalism in another name I refer to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 16:24:46 GMT
When we decided that GDP was to be the only quantifiable measure of a countries "success" without factoring in the health, well being and equality of it's citizens, in a nut shell...... Indeed. Many years ago I think they called it the knowledge economy. Capitalism in another name I refer to it. And hopefully when we come out of this at the other end people might realise thereโs other alternatives to straight out free market capitalism. But I wonโt hold my breath.....
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Post by f1rew0rks on Mar 27, 2020 16:26:17 GMT
Arguably the worst ever post in the history of The Oatcake, and by god there have been some shockers. You Boris Brexit boys really take a bait. its got fuck all with brexit, its to do with being a decent human being. I cant stand comrade corbyn or that wee jimmy cranky bird, but i wouldnt want any harm to come to either of them
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Post by stokeson on Mar 27, 2020 16:29:42 GMT
You Boris Brexit boys really take a bait. its got fuck all with brexit, its to do with being a decent human being. I cant stand comrade corbyn or that wee jimmy cranky bird, but i wouldnt want any harm to come to either of them I reffer to my post earlier. As for decent .Whats decent about universal credit????
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 27, 2020 16:33:44 GMT
I have just read this from the BBC and copied the text rather than the link as it was way down the page. Interesting that the more the virus you pick up the worse your symptoms! I thought just thought a virus was a virus and didn't realise quantity has a bearing on the illness, that explains a lot and thought it might be of interest to folk on here.
Why does severity of coronavirus symptoms vary?
Rebecca Morelle
Science correspondent, BBC News
Scientists are racing to find out how coronavirus is spreading so quickly and why the severity of symptoms varies so much.
Viral load is an important factor. Itโs how much of the virus there is in your body at any point during an infection. The higher the viral load, the more virus you will potentially shed from your body, making you more infectious to others.
For coronavirus, the viral load is highest about five days after symptoms first appear. And some scientists think itโs the initial dose of virus you receive thatโs important. If youโre infected with a small amount of virus, youโre more likely to develop a mild illness. But if youโre infected with a lot, you have a greater chance of developing severe symptoms.
Itโs a major issue for health workers. They will be in very close contact with lots of infected people, raising their prospect of becoming infected when a patientโs viral load is at its peak. Itโs why having access to protective kit is so important.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 27, 2020 16:38:17 GMT
Wow that paints a picture. Sounds fucking awful. I do have one issue with it though. Why does he look to China for sympathy and help? Lets be honest this is where the virus came from. Isnt it Chna's responsibility to help the other countries it has spread to? I dont want to sound like Trump, to be racist and call it the Chinese Virus. But dont they have a HUGE responsibility to help out the rest of the world at this time? I think they are getting a very easy ride at the moment
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 27, 2020 16:41:51 GMT
919 more passed away in Italy, highest daily figure yet. Harrowing.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 27, 2020 16:43:51 GMT
Stupid selfish cunts driving miles for exercise will ruin it for everyone who does long cycle/fun/walk for everyone else
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 27, 2020 16:45:26 GMT
Go anywhere you want, people buy a treadmill.
Told to stay in, people go for a jog
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 16:48:31 GMT
Go anywhere you want, people buy a treadmill. Told to stay in, people go for a jog Which they were told they could do by the PM......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 16:49:31 GMT
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 27, 2020 16:50:57 GMT
Wow that paints a picture. Sounds fucking awful. I do have one issue with it though. Why does he look to China for sympathy and help? Lets be honest this is where the virus came from. Isnt it Chna's responsibility to help the other countries it has spread to? I dont want to sound like Trump, to be racist and call it the Chinese Virus. But dont they have a HUGE responsibility to help out the rest of the world at this time? I think they are getting a very easy ride at the moment As far as I'm aware they are helping. Theg have more recent experience. Im not sure that the virus originating there partucularly obliges them to though. I mean when we deliberately bomb the fuck out of somewhere people moan if we take refugees.
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2020 16:51:54 GMT
I have just read this from the BBC and copied the text rather than the link as it was way down the page. Interesting that the more the virus you pick up the worse your symptoms! I thought just thought a virus was a virus and didn't realise quantity has a bearing on the illness, that explains a lot and thought it might be of interest to folk on here. Why does severity of coronavirus symptoms vary? Rebecca Morelle Science correspondent, BBC News Scientists are racing to find out how coronavirus is spreading so quickly and why the severity of symptoms varies so much. Viral load is an important factor. Itโs how much of the virus there is in your body at any point during an infection. The higher the viral load, the more virus you will potentially shed from your body, making you more infectious to others. For coronavirus, the viral load is highest about five days after symptoms first appear. And some scientists think itโs the initial dose of virus you receive thatโs important. If youโre infected with a small amount of virus, youโre more likely to develop a mild illness. But if youโre infected with a lot, you have a greater chance of developing severe symptoms. Itโs a major issue for health workers. They will be in very close contact with lots of infected people, raising their prospect of becoming infected when a patientโs viral load is at its peak. Itโs why having access to protective kit is so important. Fascinating about 'viral load'. I did wonder why the Chinese Doctor who first broke the story against the odds came to his death. I was expecting an elderly gent but he was mid-30's and looked fit as a fiddle. Maybe 'viral loading' did for him after what was presumably much exposure to early sufferers at a time when almost nothing was known of the virus.
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Post by zerps on Mar 27, 2020 16:53:24 GMT
Wow that paints a picture. Sounds fucking awful. I do have one issue with it though. Why does he look to China for sympathy and help? Lets be honest this is where the virus came from. Isnt it Chna's responsibility to help the other countries it has spread to? I dont want to sound like Trump, to be racist and call it the Chinese Virus. But dont they have a HUGE responsibility to help out the rest of the world at this time? I think they are getting a very easy ride at the moment As far as I'm aware they are helping. Theg have more recent experience. Im not sure that the virus originating there partucularly obliges them to though. I mean when we deliberately bomb the fuck out of somewhere people moan if we take refugees. What about accidentally bombing the fuck out of somewhere?
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 27, 2020 16:54:22 GMT
The big problem is getting China to allow exports. One of my clients has 2 factories in China manufacturing PPE, which is where most of it is made, he was manufacturing solely for the UK and European markets. He was ordered to stop exporting and ramp up his production just to satisfy The Chinese Domestic market. So there is plenty about, but China holding on to it. The question is how did this country get into that position, where our manufacturing industry was crushed to virtually nothing to the point where we rely on importing a certain percentage proportion of our goods? Simple matey - every single person in this country is implicit in the destruction of our manufacturing industry by buying cheaper goods made in China and the Far East - this has been bought upon us by ourselves. I've always tried to buy less but buy British wherever possible, if not British then European, if not European then American or Japanese It's the outcome of a disposable consumer society
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 27, 2020 16:55:44 GMT
A temporary mortuary site is being built at Birmingham Airport in preparation for an expected rise in coronavirus deaths, West Midlands Police have said.
Jeez.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 27, 2020 17:01:53 GMT
Truly awful day...
969 dead today.
Similar amount of new cases and critical number up around 150.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 27, 2020 17:03:58 GMT
Go anywhere you want, people buy a treadmill. Told to stay in, people go for a jog Exercise is important for good mental well being, up at 5 every morning for a 5 mile run, me. anybody not doing something well cooked up indoors really should do. Edit, that was meant to be replied to Bayern's post
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 27, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
Truly awful day... 969 dead today. Similar amount of new cases and critical number up around 150. Absolutely horrifying again, I'm just numb. Italian headline says 50 reported yesterday, I'll edit after reading. EDIT: no details in the article yet. Can't tell if they double counted those 50 or just shifted them to yesterday.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 27, 2020 17:14:44 GMT
Wow that paints a picture. Sounds fucking awful. I do have one issue with it though. Why does he look to China for sympathy and help? Lets be honest this is where the virus came from. Isnt it Chna's responsibility to help the other countries it has spread to? I dont want to sound like Trump, to be racist and call it the Chinese Virus. But dont they have a HUGE responsibility to help out the rest of the world at this time? I think they are getting a very easy ride at the moment As far as I'm aware they are helping. Theg have more recent experience. Im not sure that the virus originating there partucularly obliges them to though. I mean when we deliberately bomb the fuck out of somewhere people moan if we take refugees. It just seems weird that they seem to have it solved with very few new cases and they arent being very open about how they did it. Every country is on lockdown around the world and following the WHO advice but it seems out of control. China is claiming no new cases for over a week. Shouldnt they be sharing their knowledge with the world about how to stop it??
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 27, 2020 17:16:21 GMT
Go anywhere you want, people buy a treadmill. Told to stay in, people go for a jog Exercise is important for good mental well being, up at 5 every morning for a 5 mile run, me. anybody not doing something well cooked up indoors really should do. Edit, that was meant to be replied to Bayern's post Exercise! That's what I've been missing. Since having to telework these last 10 or so days as well as staying indoors for about what seems 99% of that time, I've neglected to get on my treadmill in the afternoons like I had been doing. My daily routine has been broken...I've also forgot to take my prescriptions a few times as well. Thanks for the reboot -- heading to treadmill now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 17:17:53 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 27, 2020 17:18:11 GMT
Lombardy was locked down 19 days ago and was absolutely brutalised today. Over 500 dead in just one region and I think it's clear they left it too late.
My first guess was that we'd peak around 23 days after lockdown, which would be 31st March/1st April, but it looked like the suffering had at least levelled off over the past week so I was hoping we'd already seen it.
Unless we get massive new testing for cases & immunity then we should be prepared for 3-4 weeks absolute minimum, rather than the 2 that a lot of people had originally thought about.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 27, 2020 17:20:50 GMT
As far as I'm aware they are helping. Theg have more recent experience. Im not sure that the virus originating there partucularly obliges them to though. I mean when we deliberately bomb the fuck out of somewhere people moan if we take refugees. It just seems weird that they seem to have it solved with very few new cases and they arent being very open about how they did it. Every country is on lockdown around the world and following the WHO advice but it seems out of control. China is claiming no new cases for over a week. Shouldnt they be sharing their knowledge with the world about how to stop it?? The news was pretty clear about what they're doing and tweets from people in China also showed it. Police roadblocks, putting bolts on apartment buildings from the outside, fever test every time you enter or leave a building along with massive testing. If you have symptoms, you're either locked inside completely or the police drag you to a hospital that is basically a prison. You can find plenty of videos allegedly from Wuhan of burly blokes in protective gear dragging screaming families out of buildings to quarantine.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2020 17:24:35 GMT
I can heartily recommend One man Two Guvnor's, even for those who might find Corden a bit taxing. It's a proper romp and a joy!
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2020 17:27:50 GMT
My friends wife has it quite bad, and has just recovered from cancer as well, they are self isolating for 12 weeks, knowing him there will be a machine gun post erected as well Has Celiak disease quite bad and therefore self isolating or has caught the Corona virus? What are the symptoms? She has Celiac
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 27, 2020 17:37:29 GMT
From the Beeb (who have been excellent in all of this)
17:33 Small glimmer of hope in Italy coronavirus statistics A little earlier we brought you the news that Italy had recorded its biggest rise in its daily death toll so far - with more than 900 new fatalities in the past 24 hours.
There is a small glimmer of hope among the shocking statistics, however - the number of new infections (4,401) was lower than the figure recorded on Thursday (4,492).
The Civil Protection Agency also reported that 10,950 people had fully recovered on Friday, compared to 10,361 the day before.
A total of 9,134 people have died in Italy from the coronavirus - highest death toll in the world.
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Post by riverman on Mar 27, 2020 17:42:17 GMT
I can heartily recommend One man Two Guvnor's, even for those who might find Corden a bit taxing. It's a proper romp and a joy! Two girls one cup is quite a romp too. ๐
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