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Post by felonious on Mar 26, 2020 11:02:26 GMT
I feel very sad for you that you can't rejoice in this country. Don't turn it into Rule Britannia either it unfortunately makes you look small minded. Don't feel sad, I'm fine honest. There are lots of reasons to rejoice about this country, and lots of reasons not to. And that's the case in most countries the world over. People are people wherever you go, I take people as I find them irrespective of the stamp on their passport. If that makes me sad in your eyes or some kind of traitor to the country, I'll survive. My loyalties are to my family and friends ultimately, and as long as I do nothing to inflict suffering to other people along the way I'm happy with that..... I never said you were a traitor that's just twisting what I said. I just believe you have a narrow view of a world that's full of colour. It's a shame that you can't see it. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you it's pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:06:12 GMT
Don't feel sad, I'm fine honest. There are lots of reasons to rejoice about this country, and lots of reasons not to. And that's the case in most countries the world over. People are people wherever you go, I take people as I find them irrespective of the stamp on their passport. If that makes me sad in your eyes or some kind of traitor to the country, I'll survive. My loyalties are to my family and friends ultimately, and as long as I do nothing to inflict suffering to other people along the way I'm happy with that..... I never said you were a traitor that's just twisting what I said. I just believe you have a narrow view of a world that's full of colour. It's a shame that you can't see it. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you it's pointless. I have a narrow view of the world because I criticise the country of my birth when it shows blatant hypocrisy? Seems a bit of an odd statement. And we're not arguing we're debating, thought you were better than that. You're entitled to your view and I'll stick to mine, no dramas......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 11:09:10 GMT
Don't feel sad, I'm fine honest. There are lots of reasons to rejoice about this country, and lots of reasons not to. And that's the case in most countries the world over. People are people wherever you go, I take people as I find them irrespective of the stamp on their passport. If that makes me sad in your eyes or some kind of traitor to the country, I'll survive. My loyalties are to my family and friends ultimately, and as long as I do nothing to inflict suffering to other people along the way I'm happy with that..... I never said you were a traitor that's just twisting what I said. I just believe you have a narrow view of a world that's full of colour. It's a shame that you can't see it. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you it's pointless. Isn't time you and the 'gang' flounce off onto the other thread again, calling everyone on this thread, 'thick'?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 26, 2020 11:10:21 GMT
There inna half some shit gets posted on this thread. The last few pages are pathetic.
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Post by felonious on Mar 26, 2020 11:11:44 GMT
I never said you were a traitor that's just twisting what I said. I just believe you have a narrow view of a world that's full of colour. It's a shame that you can't see it. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you it's pointless. I have a narrow view of the world because I criticise the country of my birth when it shows blatant hypocrisy? Seems a bit of an odd statement. And we're not arguing we're debating, thought you were better than that. You're entitled to your view and I'll stick to mine, no dramas...... Ok I've got work to do and I'm not able to debate with you however you do make a habit of criticising the country of your birth. You do know that you're free to choose a better country if it's too painful living in this one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 11:12:58 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2020 11:13:24 GMT
Any self-employed people on here who pay rent for offices but now working from home as they're non-essentials? Just wondering what they think will happen moving forward as I've just paid my rent for April and no-one is in the office as we moved out on Monday (only three of us). This will go on longer than a month so don't fancy paying for something I'm not using although my lease expires in 3 months. I hope you get help, Jimmy. I hope it works out for you and all other "self-employed" people out there. As I understand it, the government of Sweden and in USA have declared huge help to employed people in large companies in various sectors. But nothing is mentioned about the small business or the self-employed. Why? I don't get it!! By "self-employed", do you mean small business owners as well, or only the once not having their own company, like some freelancers or consultants - where a self employment company take care of their wages, taxes, administration etc? Why is a self-employed person, in contract with a self employment company treated different than a small business owner, for instance at banks? I don't get it! I have plans to be "self employed" myself in May, so ... Why should some people be treated different in the labour market? Musik in the uk self employed could be anyone from a dogwalker £10 per hour to a TV star on millions per year, equally there are different ways to be paid so say a dogwalker on £10 per hour could take all their profits as salary and pay tax and NI or they could take it as dividends and pay corp tax and tax so they have to decide how to assess what is their income, also what period do you assess earnings over if its 1 year that could have been a good / bad year so they need to look at 2 or 3 years. There are 5m+ self employed to do these calculations, do basic checks, get bank details and generate payments will be a massive job, with the employed it was easier and quicker instead of dealing with 26m+ people they deal with thousands of companies who pay the staff then make a claim from the government.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 26, 2020 11:18:52 GMT
Son of Faye ( estranged).........If rumours of a virus were spreading in December what's your view on how long before then reasonably did the virus start? ( I recognise it is an impossible question to answer with certainty but.... ) It seems to me that a reasonable period of time in which there were similar types of deaths which had noticeably different characteristics from other types of deaths before anyone began to realise that a pattern was emerging......my guess would be one to two months minimum.................If this was then followed by a period of denial and argument ....we could be looking at October or before. If the virus is so contagious surely plenty of time for more deaths and a wider spread than we are led to believe? If 80% of the population are eventually expected to get the virus, why not the other 20% ? If it becomes seasonal , what happens to it during the dormant months ( similarly flu' I suppose)? ( Apologies for the basic questions?) I’m not a virologist by trade, (sorry to keep repeating that but I’m trying to do my best from a scientific background rather than necessarily being in the field 😂) but looking at the scientific papers from people that are it’s highly likely the first cases were in early to mid november, the disease produces fairly non-specific symptoms which explains the delay as you’re waiting for a a disproportionate amount of Pneumonia cases before you think something is awry. This is why Li Wenliang thought he saw a pattern in December, it would have taken a month or so for an odd amount of sudden unexplained pneumonia to build up. So you’re probably right at about 1 month. But that is still enough time to reduce its impact if they acted at that point. The lockdown came around a month after Li Wenliang said it could well be another SARS so you have another month of unchecked spread. The 80% figure was listed as the worst case scenario by PHE England. If the virus infected that many people, it becomes difficult to spread as 8 out of 10 people you come into contact with have had it, so the chains of transmission become essential impossible to sustain and the R0 (how many people an infected person infects) drops below 1 and the virus declines in the population. This was initially one of the concepts as to what would happen if we slowed the spread, enough would get it and make it difficult to transmit (incorrectly called Herd Immunity which is what you get when you vaccinate the public, not get infected) but the figures showed it simply wasn’t practical as we couldn’t mitigate the spread to such a scale to save the NHS. The reason flu is seasonal is because it genuinely prefers the cold, warm weather degrades its outer coating which makes it difficult to survive in the air and surfaces for any length of time. But it will still circulate at a very low level. In this time it will also still exist in resevoirs (such as animals) and will mutate and then move back into humans with a different form and thus require a new vaccine. It’s too early to say whether Coronvirus for sure do this but it could well follow a similar pattern. If it does, I imagine it will require annual vaccine design to track the drift like we have for flu. Very interesting reading that fella...cheers for sharing
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2020 11:19:38 GMT
Very uninteresting actually unless they change the time everyday you have yesterday less than 24h today and every day forward is 24h. Another labour tinfoiler.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 26, 2020 11:21:16 GMT
I just been told I am furloughed as of 1st April. So gonna do my bit and do some voluntary work delivering prescriptions. 2 reasons... 1 it gets me out of the house, 2 The Polish pharmacist is as fit as fuck.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 26, 2020 11:22:05 GMT
I just been told I am furloughed as of 1st April. So gonna do my bit and do some voluntary work delivering prescriptions. 2 reasons... 1 it gets me out of the house, 2 The Polish pharmacist is as fit as fuck. I think his name is Ivan. LOL
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 26, 2020 11:23:09 GMT
Very uninteresting actually unless they change the time everyday you have yesterday less than 24h today and every day forward is 24h. Another labour tinfoiler. You've gone mad mate. No one was suggesting it was a criticism of anyone or anything, just an explanation of what happened yesterday and what will happen moving forward. Jeez!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:23:56 GMT
I have a narrow view of the world because I criticise the country of my birth when it shows blatant hypocrisy? Seems a bit of an odd statement. And we're not arguing we're debating, thought you were better than that. You're entitled to your view and I'll stick to mine, no dramas...... Ok I've got work to do and I'm not able to debate with you however you do make a habit of criticising the country of your birth. You do know that you're free to choose a better country if it's too painful living in this one. I'm criticising the government, you really thing your country's government are beyond criticism? And it's not painful in the slightest as I've already said, seems painful for you to hear an alternative view for some strange reason. Got work to myself, until later......
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 26, 2020 11:24:10 GMT
I'm fine at the moment, as all of our clients are working from home and we have existing work and pipeline for April is looking okay. This may or may not continue, and if it does I don't have to be a burden on the State, but wouldn't mind my fairly expensive office rent paying
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 26, 2020 11:26:25 GMT
I just been told I am furloughed as of 1st April. So gonna do my bit and do some voluntary work delivering prescriptions. 2 reasons... 1 it gets me out of the house, 2 The Polish pharmacist is as fit as fuck. You can quit the 'nice guy' act and just admit that reason number 2 is why you're doing it. Still, fair play to ya.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 26, 2020 11:30:24 GMT
I just been told I am furloughed as of 1st April. So gonna do my bit and do some voluntary work delivering prescriptions. 2 reasons... 1 it gets me out of the house, 2 The Polish pharmacist is as fit as fuck. Photos or.....
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 26, 2020 11:30:37 GMT
Here’s a new one. It’s bin day in my village today and it’s a little sad that it is turning into the highlight of the week according to all the comments on Facebook 😀
Anyway it would seem that the Bin Men are recommending that after collection we all clean and sanitise our bins as they handle in excess of 2000 per day ! !
Hadn’t thought of that one. Food for thought. ⚓️
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Post by salopstick on Mar 26, 2020 11:32:06 GMT
Boredom reaches new level. Probably on a 5 on the Terry Waite scale with 10 being chained to a radiator in the Middle East
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2020 11:45:11 GMT
Here’s a new one. It’s bin day in my village today and it’s a little sad that it is turning into the highlight of the week according to all the comments on Facebook 😀 Anyway it would seem that the Bin Men are recommending that after collection we all clean and sanitise our bins as they handle in excess of 2000 per day ! ! Hadn’t thought of that one. Food for thought. ⚓️ We were told to disinfect our handles before and after, to protect them and ourselves. Makes sense I guess
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 26, 2020 11:46:57 GMT
Here’s a new one. It’s bin day in my village today and it’s a little sad that it is turning into the highlight of the week according to all the comments on Facebook 😀 Anyway it would seem that the Bin Men are recommending that after collection we all clean and sanitise our bins as they handle in excess of 2000 per day ! ! Hadn’t thought of that one. Food for thought. ⚓️ We were told to disinfect our handles before and after, to protect them and ourselves. Makes sense I guess Good Tip and worth stressing!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 26, 2020 11:55:53 GMT
I have a narrow view of the world because I criticise the country of my birth when it shows blatant hypocrisy? Seems a bit of an odd statement. And we're not arguing we're debating, thought you were better than that. You're entitled to your view and I'll stick to mine, no dramas...... Ok I've got work to do and I'm not able to debate with you however you do make a habit of criticising the country of your birth. You do know that you're free to choose a better country if it's too painful living in this one. That is just plain silly isn't it. Jingoism at its finest.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 26, 2020 11:58:37 GMT
Here’s a new one. It’s bin day in my village today and it’s a little sad that it is turning into the highlight of the week according to all the comments on Facebook 😀 Anyway it would seem that the Bin Men are recommending that after collection we all clean and sanitise our bins as they handle in excess of 2000 per day ! ! Hadn’t thought of that one. Food for thought. ⚓️ I always leave my bins at the bottom of the drive for 2 days after collection...just to piss off my very snotty near neighbours who take it upon themselves to move them into a nearby wall. I can now claim it's for health reasons
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2020 11:59:23 GMT
What is it with these brain dead wankers licking things, saw a video of yesterday of some stupid prick licking the handrail on a train, the stupid bastards want arresting and locking up for the good of others in society.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 26, 2020 12:01:05 GMT
What is it with these brain dead wankers licking things, saw a video of yesterday of some stupid prick licking the handrail on a train, the stupid bastards want arresting and locking up for the good of others in society. Is it too harsh to say "let them die" should they happen to suffer from the more severe aspects of this virus?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 26, 2020 12:01:29 GMT
This might stop someone from thinking about going out!!!
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 26, 2020 12:10:21 GMT
Son of Faye ( estranged).........If rumours of a virus were spreading in December what's your view on how long before then reasonably did the virus start? ( I recognise it is an impossible question to answer with certainty but.... ) It seems to me that a reasonable period of time in which there were similar types of deaths which had noticeably different characteristics from other types of deaths before anyone began to realise that a pattern was emerging......my guess would be one to two months minimum.................If this was then followed by a period of denial and argument ....we could be looking at October or before. If the virus is so contagious surely plenty of time for more deaths and a wider spread than we are led to believe? If 80% of the population are eventually expected to get the virus, why not the other 20% ? If it becomes seasonal , what happens to it during the dormant months ( similarly flu' I suppose)? ( Apologies for the basic questions?) I’m not a virologist by trade, (sorry to keep repeating that but I’m trying to do my best from a scientific background rather than necessarily being in the field 😂) but looking at the scientific papers from people that are it’s highly likely the first cases were in early to mid november, the disease produces fairly non-specific symptoms which explains the delay as you’re waiting for a a disproportionate amount of Pneumonia cases before you think something is awry. This is why Li Wenliang thought he saw a pattern in December, it would have taken a month or so for an odd amount of sudden unexplained pneumonia to build up. So you’re probably right at about 1 month. But that is still enough time to reduce its impact if they acted at that point. The lockdown came around a month after Li Wenliang said it could well be another SARS so you have another month of unchecked spread. The 80% figure was listed as the worst case scenario by PHE England. If the virus infected that many people, it becomes difficult to spread as 8 out of 10 people you come into contact with have had it, so the chains of transmission become essential impossible to sustain and the R0 (how many people an infected person infects) drops below 1 and the virus declines in the population. This was initially one of the concepts as to what would happen if we slowed the spread, enough would get it and make it difficult to transmit (incorrectly called Herd Immunity which is what you get when you vaccinate the public, not get infected) but the figures showed it simply wasn’t practical as we couldn’t mitigate the spread to such a scale to save the NHS. The reason flu is seasonal is because it genuinely prefers the cold, warm weather degrades its outer coating which makes it difficult to survive in the air and surfaces for any length of time. But it will still circulate at a very low level. In this time it will also still exist in resevoirs (such as animals) and will mutate and then move back into humans with a different form and thus require a new vaccine. It’s too early to say whether Coronvirus for sure do this but it could well follow a similar pattern. If it does, I imagine it will require annual vaccine design to track the drift like we have for flu. Is there a practical difference in herd immunity achieved via vaccination and that which might occur via a large majority catching the virus? Other than potentially 10s of thousands of deaths that might happen before we get there.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 26, 2020 12:12:45 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 26, 2020 12:16:50 GMT
What is it with these brain dead wankers licking things, saw a video of yesterday of some stupid prick licking the handrail on a train, the stupid bastards want arresting and locking up for the good of others in society. We had that happen over here..... in Haarlem yesterday in a supermarket where some idiot started licking some handrails on a shopping trolley….until another shopper turfed the idiot outside and gave him a right good shoeing….a good minute or so Sorry - No sympathy from me
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 26, 2020 12:20:56 GMT
I’m not a virologist by trade, (sorry to keep repeating that but I’m trying to do my best from a scientific background rather than necessarily being in the field 😂) but looking at the scientific papers from people that are it’s highly likely the first cases were in early to mid november, the disease produces fairly non-specific symptoms which explains the delay as you’re waiting for a a disproportionate amount of Pneumonia cases before you think something is awry. This is why Li Wenliang thought he saw a pattern in December, it would have taken a month or so for an odd amount of sudden unexplained pneumonia to build up. So you’re probably right at about 1 month. But that is still enough time to reduce its impact if they acted at that point. The lockdown came around a month after Li Wenliang said it could well be another SARS so you have another month of unchecked spread. The 80% figure was listed as the worst case scenario by PHE England. If the virus infected that many people, it becomes difficult to spread as 8 out of 10 people you come into contact with have had it, so the chains of transmission become essential impossible to sustain and the R0 (how many people an infected person infects) drops below 1 and the virus declines in the population. This was initially one of the concepts as to what would happen if we slowed the spread, enough would get it and make it difficult to transmit (incorrectly called Herd Immunity which is what you get when you vaccinate the public, not get infected) but the figures showed it simply wasn’t practical as we couldn’t mitigate the spread to such a scale to save the NHS. The reason flu is seasonal is because it genuinely prefers the cold, warm weather degrades its outer coating which makes it difficult to survive in the air and surfaces for any length of time. But it will still circulate at a very low level. In this time it will also still exist in resevoirs (such as animals) and will mutate and then move back into humans with a different form and thus require a new vaccine. It’s too early to say whether Coronvirus for sure do this but it could well follow a similar pattern. If it does, I imagine it will require annual vaccine design to track the drift like we have for flu. Is there a practical difference in herd immunity achieved via vaccination and that which might occur via a large majority catching the virus? Other than potentially 10s of thousands of deaths that might happen before we get there. Not in broad terms no, but you’ve picked up on the main difference. Herd Immunity prevents deaths via prophylaxis whereas most people catching the virus would risk thousands of deaths before you get the same effect of breaking the chains of transmission. I suppose the main other difference would be, if you’d have the vaccine you can definitely be counted in the herd immunity figures, with infection you could only be counted if you have the antibody test post infection as you’d never know if you were infected but asymptomatic.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 26, 2020 12:24:17 GMT
What is it with these brain dead wankers licking things, saw a video of yesterday of some stupid prick licking the handrail on a train, the stupid bastards want arresting and locking up for the good of others in society. One of them has been arrested on terror charges. Fucking good.
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